Kagutsuchi AP revision

[Yvel_Atsly]

I would like you all to to see this Kagutsuchi upgrade blog, as our current explantion is still off

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Bump

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Looks good.

 

[Eganergo]

No mention of sangai?

 

[MYHERO]

So you are suggesting that we should split kagu into two keys right?

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

I mean we already know there are worlds across past present and future, the point is to show each of those universes has a 2-A in it. And correct. One for his his infinite heads and ones for his full self. Cause of course those are not the same

 

[MYHERO]

I agree then. Should both keys be 2-A?

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Yep. Heads are far above baseline and full self is Infinite^Infinite 2-A

 

[Ionliosite]

Yeah, I fully agree with this.

 

[MYHERO]

Alright. It seems now you should come up with an AP explanation they will use for the profiles.

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Should i make it in a blog?

 

[MYHERO]

You can make it here

 

[Ionliosite]

Yeah, this is just so we know what to add to the profile.

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Kay, updating it then

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

So, this means SMT becomes the strongest 2-A again?

 

[Ionliosite]

So, this means SMT becomes the strongest 2-A again?

Do they resists Vecna's sealing? No? Ok.

 

[MYHERO]

So, this means SMT becomes the strongest 2-A again?

Doubt it

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

In the AP department, I mean.

 

[MYHERO]

oh

Well not too sure. I need to see Marvel's AP again.

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Alright, sorry it took so long but the AP profile explanations are made.

 

[MYHERO]

Kagutsuchi should also have passive madness manipulation

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

True, his light does deter demonic behavior

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Nice upgrades.

 

[MYHERO]

"Mind Manipulation, Madness Manipulation (It is said that demon behaviors can change according to how Kagutsuchi is shown, as Full results in madness of the demons while New can keep them subdued)"

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Added Keys to the AP

 

[Antvasima]

You can ask some staff members listed in the Shin Megami Tensei verse page to comment here.

 

[MYHERO]

Added Keys to the AP

Checked and I think you need more reasoning for your first key.

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Uh how so?

 

[Ionliosite]

It seems like good enough reasoning to me.

 

[MYHERO]

Because it seems to be more of like he scales to this character who scales to this character who scales to yadda yadda. One of the issues about the current SMT pages is the lack of scans for explaining AP and has. Sure we have the CRTs and the blogs but ideally this should be expressed in the profiles themselves. But I'll let this one slide as it's more of an SMT problem rather then Kagu. Just make sure to change your second key to at least 2-A.

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Right, my mind slipped on the second part. It might be a big issue in general

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

@MYHERO What would do it about it then? Explain that the base character being scaled off of has x feat? Like Michael is above The Three Archangels who immenselu exceed Ouroboros Maia whose the embodiment of space time on an infinite and eternal level?

 

[MYHERO]

Well first I need to make a thread addressing my complaints and see if people will agree to my idea on fixing them or not. My proposal can be dismissed and labeled as unnecessary but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. But for now it's fine the way it is.

 

[Elizhaa]

The Demi-fiend's section should be removed as it was discussed the powerful demons shouldn't powerscaled to protagonists because of boss order's inconsistencies . The other justifications look fine so if what I said is removed with the update, I agree.

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Which Demi-Fiend section where?

 

[Elizhaa]

Multiverse Level+ (A head of Kagutsuchi should be far superior to demons lying in the vortex world. Being the source of power for Reason Bearers, creating demons like Baal Avatar, can fight Demi-Fiend after he's killed Noah, Ahrima and Baal Avatar. And can wipe all demons such as the Reason Bearers and Three Archangels from timelines completely)

>can fight Demi-Fiend after he's killed Noah, Ahrima and Baal Avatar.

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

It's more a feat add on to the head of Kagutsuchi's consistent 2-A level and is a feat for his stand point. He created all 3 reason bearers, can wipe them from existence and fight Demi-Fiend after he kills all of them. So it's perfectly consistent with the tier. Besides boss order has been used before, like the Kuzuryu profile

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

But if it needs to be gone i won't mind taking it off

 

[Antvasima]

What Elizhaa accepted is probably fine to apply.

 

[Antvasima]

You can ask some staff members listed in the Shin Megami Tensei verse page to comment here.

It would be preferable with more staff input first though.