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Kagurabachi General Discussion Thread
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i thought that shit fully disintegrated
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The hilt did but Chihiro still has the blade portion remaining, so now that Enten could only have its hilt restored it's very likely he'll combine the two blades in a reforge
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that would be fire asl, i wonder if he can stack nishiki with mei cloak
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Let's go my scepticism from last weak was unfounded, the heat generated was from friction as they drew their blades and not just Samura's flames
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The strongest bum have left us for good 
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samura resurrection in the final arc i can feel it in my soul
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Why were you skeptic? The flames were repairing the surroundings
The JP says vaporises btw and not melt btw, we can visibly see it vaporising the concrete and steel too which is cool
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Died Tier 7 with potential for the eventual Tier 6 upscaleThe strongest bum have left us for good
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The only tier 7 feat is via a special technique that no one scales other than Akemura's "Bee"Died Tier 7 with potential for the eventual Tier 6 upscale
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Mostly because it's something that would've been really difficult to definitively prove since there's an alternate explanation (it being literally on fire). And because last weeks chapter didn't really show much melting or vaporization close to them. Had last chapter had the panel with their swords drawn from this week I wouldn't have been sceptical.
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I'm thisNow is a pretty good time for Samura & Akemura pages to drop
close to crashing out on you broBuddy I'm afraid you're not familiarThe only tier 7 feat is via a special technique that no one scales other than Akemura's "Bee"
I'm like 1000% sure it was said that the fire was restoring the rubble from the melting and pulverisation passive of the Black Energy. I really don't understand the skepticism
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I mean... yea?
We got 10 8-B feats and one tier 7 via a special technique. Where are we getting consistent tier 7 and 6?
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No, it said the destruction was from the magatsumi's power, restoration from black flames, but didn't specify from where the heat came from.
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Wym no that's what it says, and it flat out says that followingdrawing their swords their surroundings start to melt too
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The word used last chapter was "as" and it's not a word that inherently says anything about cause and effect or "why", it can just be a word used to describe when something is happening.
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Like 4 or 5 8-B feats, an 8-A feat, and low 7-C+ feat. Akemura would just end up being low 7-C+ in general AP anyways
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Akemura's feat is done via Bee, which is stated to be "concentrated piercing force channeled into a single point", it's clearly something special and not an amount of energy that he can replicate with any move (otherwise, why would it be special?).
The Enchanted Blades have their own abilities. Goddamn it, Butterfly can cut space itself
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I mean that's just of the infinitely malleable forms he can choose to shape his energy in? He can focus it in a single point for better piercing, expand it in explosive shockwaves, cut space and pulverize buildings, and etc. etc. Point being though that each form has a different purpose but its all drawing from his same pool he can use for all his attacks. Literally also he's already far far upscaling the current 8-A already so its pretty consistent there especially when everything is uber casual
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I don't think the techniques coming from the same source is enough for scaling. Reserves do not equal to raw AP most of the time. Say, Yuta got half the CE of Sukuna, yet he is far far weaker.
Every single one of the Enchanted Blades have abilities that do no scale to their normal attacks. With Akemaru is even more weird when the main source of his power is something as vague as "vitality"
I don't think it's safe to scale Bee to Akemura's base stats right now. I would at least wait a bit more for more context. He is gonna use it in combat someday
Also, I made this. Can you check it?
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I don't see how concentrating it into a single point would make it any more special than just sending energy around him like he does with Centipede. If anything's special about it, it's that it's concentrated which makes it deadlier since the pressure is so much higher, but the total amount of energy doesn't change and should be something he'd be able to put into his other moves.
If the argument is that it doesn't scale to his "normal" attacks I suppose that makes sense considering Chihiro can't boost his body as much as he can just wielding Enten compared to what he can while using Nishiki, but I don't think it's any more special than Butterfly, Centipede, Spider or any other future move he might create.
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I also don't think Centipede should scale to base stats of anyone as well. Yura using centipede was enough to make Chihiro bleed everywhere and be in need to heal himself with Samura's flames, and you need to count the inverse square law, which would make the damage that Chihiro took be far lower than the full destruction of Centipede. It also happened twice
- Dragonfly can blitz Samura
- Butterfly can cut space itself
- Centipede is an AoE attack that affects anything within 300 meters
- Spider makes everyone around unable to move
- Bee concentrates all the energy within one singular point to cause mass destruction
If anything at best Akemaru should be "At least 8-B, likely far higher, Low 7-C with the strongest moves"
Well, we have never seen any amount of damage comparable to Bee, so if anything it think that it should scale above the generic sword slash
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yeah this basically all it is, its the same energy he uses for anything else there's nothing special about other than that for this attack he concentrated to amplify its piercing power at a single point but ultimately its not like he couldn't also concentrate it on his regular slashes or shockwaves or anything else. It's just him focusing power and being variable with how he uses his energy
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Samura takes far less damage than chihiro whose body is essential lacerated and broken all over while Samura just spits out a bit of blood, he definitely downscales Yura's centipede he did even if it did hurt him
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Damn what a chapter
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I mean, have Samura ever tanked Centipede point blank? Inverse square law kinda makes the energy be far lower too, they were like, 1 meter away from each other?
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Not what I said. I said the special moves should scale to each other (Bee<->Centipede = ok), but not to their base abilities or normal attacks (Bee/Centipede<-> base = notok).
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yes in chapter 102 he literally withstands it with none of the level of injuries from it Chihiro had, heck in the same chapter even when he activates Suzaku its only shown healing chihiro
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https://scans-hot.planeptune.us/manga/Kagurabachi/0103-017.png
Why would you take this out of context?
Samura was Frozen in Place in the first instance by Spider's Paralysis and took it point blank the first time and the second instance he forewent countering to regard civilians and BFRing Yura to the skies.
Moreso a flat Omnidirectional attack that generates a Shockwave in its path, the range can be anything
Is there anything about unique applications/abilities that affects abilities scaling generally off the same energy
The scale of Magatsumi's abilities are dependent on how much Energy is put into the attacks.
Akemura uses Centipede and it doesn't exceed 250 meters, yet Yura goes beyond 300 Meters with the same move
Akemura uses Spider within only about 1 meter and Yura uses Spider that encompasses over 50 meters
As Chihiro says, the Magatsumi's abilities channel Black Energy into the various forms we see, just cause 1 exceeds the other in scale doesn't mean the same energy can't be used for other abilities and in terms of scale of Spirit Energy we see what he utilised for Bee is far more massive the any other
Heck the Black Energy is the regular state of his Spirit Energy so he uses that to perform regular Swordsmanship, and once Samura gains Energy on par he's able to overpower his Energy, nullify his attacks and match him physically
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I don't understand your point? Chihiro penetrated Centipede like a spear, while Centipede is an wave of destruction with immense AoE. The surface area of Chihiro is FAR lower than that of a +300 radius shockwave. Imagine it like Arthur cutting through earth itself with a "tinny" sword. An even easier example is well, a knife cutting humans
I'm not putting it out of context. Even when outside the spider web, with Samura reacting to Yura's speed, he still couldn't block Dragonfly at all. Even if you use the argument that he was trying to protect the civillians and thus couldn't block, Samura have shown to be capable to fight while teleporting without major problems, even against Akemura
Also, it's not only far faster than Yura's base speed, but AP too. Dragonfly can pretty much pulverize Samura's shoulder if he doesn't block with the Enchanted Blade
I mean, yeah? Just like you said, unique applications. Bee is an unique application with the focus on destruction. The whole point is making Akemura concentrate all the energy into one single point. If he can't do that with his normal powers, don't scale, same way we don't scale every katana slash from Akemura as spatial slash thanks to Butterfly.
All Enchanted Blade allow some kind of stuff that doesn't scale to the user normally, or do we plan to scale Hiruhiko Class G feat to his base stats? Nishiki also allows Chihiro to go beyond his normal stats, and can go make him go up to 3x stronger.
It just doesn't make sense to scale the gimmick of a technique to the base stats of the user without enough proof. We don't know how strong is "Bee" compared to the other techniques of Akemura. It could be the equivalente of Sukuna's Fuga, who knows. It just doesn't make sense to scale a sorcerer based on their reserves at all.
To point out, Akemura's strength got a source even more weird, since it comes from taking the life force and vitality of people.
This just shows that Akemura can concentrate the energy into specific spots, I don't know how that's relevant. If anything it would prove that Bee's destruction level is special since he needs a specific technique to concentrate energy like on this level
I'm not talking about not scaling other techniques to such level, I'm talking about Akemura's BASE stats
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Forgor about this part, but Akemura focused all the power of Malediciton into Samura, with Samura using his black flames to counter it
Both nulled each other because without using Malediction, Samura would regen forever and heal everybody, while Samura had use use all his healing power into himself, or otherwise would die. Akemura prolly can't use other techniques since he was focusing all the Magatsumi's consume life power into Samura
Either way, this is my last comment about the subject. It's not a CRT and I bet my ass that we are gonna have a recap of the abilities that Akemura used in the arc
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Not sure what you're replying, that link seems to be a mistake, I wasn't saying anything with it
Hitting him≠It blitzed him, I'm not sure why you're getting that just because it hit him when he performs actions in between the abilities activation and the time it hits him, even Chihiro who isn't as fast reacts to it, he wasn't only just teleporting himself, and was applying a greater application of Crow in that scene and if it was something that "blitzes" him I don't see why Yura would acknowledge him worrying about civilians to
Yura himself never got a good hit on Samura, what are you even using as a point of reference
Yura at this point was physically superior to Samura and was progressively getting stronger, Samura was able to take the 1st one and he went full on with the 2nd one
Yeah, unique applications in the sense that they have special effects they grant, Bee is straight up the sword's energy channeled into a thrust attack
I'm referring to the sword's abilities in general her not the physical fortifications as that differs
Nishiki works that way cause of cloaking mechanics, which would be pretty interesting if Soga has that
Why are you conflating user statistics with sword abilities. There has never been anything relating to Akemura's reserves with, the energy he uses is channeled into infinite abilities, that's just the way the sword works
That mechanic is the reason his energy is black
Why exactly does channeling the energy into a thrust make it "special" or is destruction level your only gripe?
Soga hasn't had any reason to use a high level of energy and his Full Output with the Malediction was overpowered by Black Suzaku
Doesn't there exist scaling points for these?
Faster than Chihiro who can react to the Butterfly technique and superior to them both who can withstand Dragonfly and Centipede
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I really like Soga. The way he clearly has some type of conduct that he still follows is a nice quirk to give him. I am hoping we get Yura back though. I think them as an antagonistic pair for Chirhiro is better than just one or the other for now.
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The Villain with the Inner Demon sure is funny
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How are the new/updates to old pages going?
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The enchanted blades having their own "life" in a sense is very interesting but it makes sense looking back
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