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Just a dragon ball question.
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Yeah pretty sure we found the mistranslation and changed it or something
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It can mean forever existing or infinte. In the context of the scene it seemed they were talking about amount. I would need to see the full translation though.
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Eternity - Wikipedia
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That's an aspect, however it can also be interpreted as distance.Eternal/Eternity is the measurement of time, not distance.Eternity - Wikipedia
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eternal | Etymology of eternal by etymonline
"eternal," or directly from Late Latin aeternalis, from Latin aeternus "of an age,… See origin and meaning of eternal.
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"tiresomely long; seemingly without end"
Long: "measuring a great distance from end to end"
Plus unless the whole statement is a mistranslation, Beerus mentions that there isn't time, which would make more sense to be infinte in volume kind of way.
I'm not saying there isnt time but it would strange to contradict himself mid sentence.
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You're link still references eternity as time.That's an aspect, however it can also be interpreted as distance.
eternal | Etymology of eternal by etymonline
"eternal," or directly from Late Latin aeternalis, from Latin aeternus "of an age,… See origin and meaning of eternal.
"tiresomely long; seemingly without end"
Long: "measuring a great distance from end to end"
Plus unless the whole statement is a mistranslation, Beerus mentions that there isn't time, which would make more sense to infinte in volume kind of way.
I'm not saying there isnt time but it would strange to contradict himself mid sentence.
And yes I'm also waiting to see the scan of what i stated in the OP.
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Yes cause that's apart of the meaning of eternal, I was just pointing out that it can be interpreted as infinte distance as I quoted in my last message. Most words can be interpreted in many ways.
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This is also referencing time but I get your point.
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It doesn't what size it is, nothingness is still nothingness.
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The problem is that it can be interpreted in different ways. As I showed, the way it is described with the definitions can also lead to an infinite distance interpretation.
Actually thinking about it, since he is interacting with non existence. Wouldn't that give him non physical interaction of that type?
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You're link never said anything about infinite distance. It only defined it and gave examples of what they meant.
My question isn't this in the OP.
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"tiresomely long; seemingly without end"
Long can mean: "measuring a great distance from end to end"
"Used since Middle English both of things or conditions without beginning or end"
They also described it as endless on the page.
This word with semantics can come to this conclusion, easily. I'm not saying this interpretation is the only one as it does mean forever lasting through time, as well. However it can be synonymous with what I was talking about.
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Examples they give dosen't mean those are the only ones that are possible. Their synonyms also lead to infinte, like what I was saying
Anyways I found the thread that said it was eternal
The word they described put in Google translate does indeed translate to eternal or forever. It's possible that the infinte in the original translation could mean through time. However that would be strange due to them mentioning there not being time in the same sentence.
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I never said otherwise, synonymous don't make words mean the same thing. E.g infinite and countless/innumerable are synonymous but are different in meaning.
So jiren only shook the TOP?
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However alot of synonymous words can overlap. Most words in general have a plethora of meanings and can be used in many ways. Just a few comments ago I linked definitions for eternal to connecting to a infinte distance interpretation.
Well technically if he did indeed "shake" nothingness, would he not have non physical interaction?
Yeah, it's more likely they choose infinte to portray a more clear message imo. It's hard to tell what that word in Japanese connects to since we can't speak it though.
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It's gets complicated due to them saying theres not time. Forever in the time sense, would be a precarious statment to put there. Dragonball is wack sometimes thoughA world full of eternity and emptiness with no time or space
So, it's an eternal void or a void that can exist forever without time or space in it.
Makes sense I guess, A void without time should obviously exist forever right?
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Nothing stated eternal = infinite distance it's only referring to time. Even the link you sent explained eternity = time.
I don't know, make a thread.
It seems to make sense to me, verses with characters who exists outside of time or the characters who exists outside of time are normally shown to have immorality type 1 on this wiki.It's gets complicated due to them saying theres not time. Forever in the time sense, would be a precarious statment to put there. Dragonball is wack sometimes though
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I connected
"tiresomely long; seemingly without end"
Long: "measuring a great distance from end to end" this is just from google
Like I said it's not hard to connect definitions to get a different interpretations. That's why words can have so many meanings.
I personally find the infinte amount of nothingness to make more sense. As the sentence translated contradicts itself if we use eternal or forever as a measurement of time. However, there's likely information were missing out on since we don't know japanese. Someone like that could give us much more insight than what we can really understand.
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Delinate why I'm ethier, I'm just corroborating my point of view.
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A timeless place being filled with eternity is basically a timeless place filled with time you see how the sentence contradicts itself
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I mean "without space nor time " means that's it's empty and nothing happened in this void, no time = can technically mean no history or events that happened to the past, no space means there is space but nothing is inside it, just empty
But that's just my two cents to make this shit make sense
But that's just my two cents to make this shit make sense
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"without space and time" here is more flowery or not quite literal
Dragon ball has a penchant for using these words, for example Afterlife is declared by Goku to be "Time does not exist" because it can use Ssj3 forever, although this is stamina consuming where time is available (mortal Universe)
For WoV, "no spacetime" is also synonymous with "Eternal Nothingness" in the raw version, with "Nothingness/Emptiness" = "without space" and "Eternal" = "without time", although this is quite inconsistent with the Stamina cases in the arc (and Grand Priest's statement)
Dragon ball has a penchant for using these words, for example Afterlife is declared by Goku to be "Time does not exist" because it can use Ssj3 forever, although this is stamina consuming where time is available (mortal Universe)
For WoV, "no spacetime" is also synonymous with "Eternal Nothingness" in the raw version, with "Nothingness/Emptiness" = "without space" and "Eternal" = "without time", although this is quite inconsistent with the Stamina cases in the arc (and Grand Priest's statement)
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"A world without time and space, filled with only eternity and emptiness" and "In this world, where time exists, it uses too much energy, and you get completely exhausted all at once…" are pretty explicit. Also, he is never stated or suggested to be able to use Super Saiyan 3 indefinitely in the Afterlife.
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