Jujutsu Kaisen: Mechamaru’s year charge calc [Staff Votes Needed]

[ElJoaki5]

This calc gets Mechamaru Mode Absolute to Town level with five year charge.

Context & Calculation
In Chapter 81 Mechamaru pulls out a big robot mecha. It is shown to have an activity limit (How long it can run for) of quite some years and he can use attacks that take away years off the activity limit due to how much energy they use up.

In the calculation I find the KE of the robot walking and multiply that by the time to find out how much energy is used up in the year charge attacks.

Scaling
Kenjaku states this form reaches Special Grade cursed energy output after Mechamaru uses two year charge. Therefore, the special grade sorcerers: Gojo, Sukuna, Yuki, Yuta and Geto, scale to the two year output of 7.39 Kilotons.

There’s also the characters that scale to them. To keep it simple, I will just follow the scaling lines already used in the pages, Small Town level characters get upgraded to Town level.

This includes: Shinjuku Yuji, Hakari JP, Kusakabe w Simple Domain, Megumi (Maho), Kenjaku, Shinjuku Higuruma, Miguel, Takaba, Kurourushi, 15/16f Sukuna, KasHIMo, Uro, Yorozu, Ryu, Uraume, Dhruv and Mahoraga.

Consistency and Uraume scaling
Ryu is stated to have the highest cursed energy output in the culling games (before Sukuna joined). This means he is the player that can put the most energy into his attacks when it comes to attacks that are just ce cannons.

Uraume is a culling game player so this logically puts Ryu’s AP over Uraume's maximum output frost calm (2.95 Kilotons), since Uraume's Frost Calm is just shooting CE (The freezing is just caused due to Uraume's CE being supercooled)

Via the scaling in the pages, the characters I’ve mentioned before also scale to this feat.


Agree: @ActuallySpaceMan42 @Godernet @FinePoint (Calcs are fine)
Rogue_Forge Anonymous_Learner Bimbitesthedust DarkRuler234 Buraqibear
Disagree: PowerToScale, Sammy818, TheGunsFinalWrath

 

[Rogue_Forge]

I AGREE FULLY, MECHAMARU IS THE GOAT, THIS TRULY WAS OUR JUJUTSU KAISEN

 

[Rogue_Forge]

But yeah, it looks aight

(My opinion doesn't matter much tho)

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

here we goo.
(I agree but my voice matters not)

 

[Electronic74947]

INBF Jjk gets downgraded to building.

Also more consistency could be that a casual 16F sukuna was at 10% output against Yuji and maki but needed cleave to oneshot ryu at FP fingered 16 fingers giving him an at least 10x amp from maki and Yuji atp

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I don't think anyone other than Ryu GB should scale to Uraume Max output but overall agree with Mechamaru stuff.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

INBF Jjk gets downgraded to building.

Also more consistency could be that a casual 16F sukuna was at 10% output against Yuji and maki but needed cleave to oneshot ryu at FP fingered 16 fingers giving him an at least 10x amp from maki and Yuji atp

Iirc that statement in every translation apart from Viz was referring to his CT output. His physical stats were still hampered by Megumi but it wasn’t at the 10% level

 

[MrTayman616]

This calc gets Mechamaru Mode Absolute to Town level with five year charge.

Yeah, this is better imo

Kenjaku states this form reaches Special Grade cursed energy output. Therefore, the special grade sorcerers: Gojo, Sukuna, Yuki, Yuta and Geto, scale to the five year output of 18.48 Kilotons.

It might not apply for every special grade, since characters like Geto gets it cuz of how their CT works rather than output. Even Masamichi Yaga was going to be rated as special grade. So it might be better to check who'll get it based on output levels.

Ryu is stated to have the highest cursed energy output in the culling games

How does this work? I mean his output is the highest, kenjaku states his output to be the greatest output in history, but does it really apply for scaling cursed technique based attacks?

Because his output is the highest ever. So his attacks are also more powerful than attacks like Purple etc? No. So what makes it acceptable?

I can understand comparing it to attacks fully based on cursed energy and doesn't have any special effect thanks to cursed techniques, so i don't think it applies to ice manipulation based attack.

 

[ElJoaki5]

INBF Jjk gets downgraded to building.

Also more consistency could be that a casual 16F sukuna was at 10% output against Yuji and maki but needed cleave to oneshot ryu at FP fingered 16 fingers giving him an at least 10x amp from maki and Yuji atp

Im just using the page scaling for now

 

[ElJoaki5]

I don't think anyone other than Ryu GB should scale to Uraume Max output but overall agree with Mechamaru stuff.

Just using the scaling in the pages

 

[Electronic74947]

Iirc that statement in every translation apart from Viz was referring to his CT output. His physical stats were still hampered by Megumi but it wasn’t at the 10% level

….thats what I said

 

[Electronic74947]

I don't think anyone other than Ryu GB should scale to Uraume Max output but overall agree with Mechamaru stuff.

Iirc Yuta’s max output is a touch below

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

I don't think anyone other than Ryu GB should scale to Uraume Max output but overall agree with Mechamaru stuff.

Ryu tanks his own granite blast so he can at least downscale

….thats what I said

My bad thought you meant his physicals would be 10x Yuji and Maki not shrine

 

[Electronic74947]

Ryu tanks his own granite blast so he can at least downscale

Didn’t gojo say your own CE hurts you less tho?

Recalcing the old granite blast might be better for physicals

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Seems good, my opinion wouldnt matter much since I do not have much of a standing

But calc seems fine and it might seem crazy but I think Maki in shinjiku could potentially scale to the same level as Shinjiku Yuji, Jackpot Hakari, etc

Though w the mechamaru hakari could scale potentially to the same level as yuta because of the statement

I wont go into specifics but the calcs and scaling seems fine

 

[Giannysmag]

Neutral for now, I'm very iffy on the KE scaling to one second of the charge (tho at least it's better than scaling goddamn Ultimate Canon to it)

But calc seems fine and it might seem crazy but I think Maki in shinjiku could potentially scale to the same level as Shinjiku Yuji, Jackpot Hakari, etc

She would, for some reason we've neglected upgrading her for the past two years

 

[ElJoaki5]

It might not apply for every special grade, since characters like Geto gets it cuz of how their CT works rather than output. Even Masamichi Yaga was going to be rated as special grade. So it might be better to check who'll get it based on output levels.

Geto scales to Yuta anyway and Yuta scales to Yuki (Based on the pages)

How does this work? I mean his output is the highest, kenjaku states his output to be the greatest output in history, but does it really apply for scaling cursed technique based attacks?

Because his output is the highest ever. So his attacks are also more powerful than attacks like Purple etc? No. So what makes it acceptable?

I can understand comparing it to attacks fully based on cursed energy and doesn't have any special effect thanks to cursed techniques, so i don't think it applies to ice manipulation based attack.

It depends on the attack, the power of some attacks is purely based on ce output, while in others the power also depends on ce efficiency. In the case of Uraume, the attacks power is based purely on the cursed energy used. This is because Frost Calm just freezes the target by striking them with their supercooled cursed energy.

Also note that Ryu had the greatest ce output in history at that time (Edo).

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Didn’t gojo say your own CE hurts you less tho?

Recalcing the old granite blast might be better for physicals

I already recalced it earlier. It got 8-A

 

[Electronic74947]

I already recalced it earlier. It got 8-A

Consistency for physical feats in jjk can you send

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Consistency for physical feats in jjk can you send

Ryu Granite Blast (Chapter 176)

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[MrTayman616]

It depends on the attack, the power of some attacks is purely based on ce output, while in others the power also depends on ce efficiency. In the case of Uraume, the attacks power is based purely on the cursed energy used. This is because Frost Calm just freezes the target by striking them with their supercooled cursed energy.

I think freezing based attacks are applied differently rather than outputs alone (not just jjk but generally in the wiki)

Also note that Ryu had the greatest ce output in history at that time (Edo).

Uh, pretty sure it's greatest in "history" overall, Not only that era. (obviously doesn't apply to any generation that came later).

 

[Electronic74947]

I think freezing based attacks are applied differently rather than outputs alone (not just jjk but generally in the wiki)

Jjk uses CE for creation and powering ext which should allow it to scale to Ryu since she’s using CE to freeze the area

Obviously other feats in different verses are treated differently but Jjk isn’t one of them

 

[Lilybitdun]

This calc gets Mechamaru Mode Absolute to Town level with five year charge.

Context & Calculation
In Chapter 81 Mechamaru pulls out a big robot mecha. It is shown to have an activity limit (How long it can run for) of quite some years and he can use attacks that take away years off the activity limit due to how much energy they use up.

In the calculation I find the KE of the robot walking and multiply that by the time to find out how much energy is used up in the year charge attacks.

Scaling
Kenjaku states this form reaches Special Grade cursed energy output. Therefore, the special grade sorcerers: Gojo, Sukuna, Yuki, Yuta and Geto, scale to the five year output of 18.48 Kilotons.

There’s also the characters that scale to them. To keep it simple, I will just follow the scaling lines already used in the pages, Small Town level characters (which have just been downgraded) get upgraded to Town level.

This includes: Shinjuku Yuji, Hakari JP, Kusakabe w Simple Domain, Megumi (Maho), Kenjaku, Shinjuku Higuruma, Miguel, Takaba, Kurourushi, 15/16f Sukuna, KasHIMo, Uro, Yorozu, Ryu, Uraume, Dhruv and Mahoraga.

Consistency and Uraume scaling
Ryu is stated to have the highest cursed energy output in the culling games (before Sukuna joined). This means he is the player that can put the most energy into his attacks.

Uraume is a culling game player so this logically puts Ryu’s AP over Uraume's maximum output frost calm (2.95 Kilotons).

Via the scaling in the pages, the characters I’ve mentioned before also scale to this feat.

Math looks good but my only question is: Why does the "reaches Special Grade cursed energy output" mean Special Grade Sorcerers scale to the Five Year Charge from Mechamaru Mode instead of the lower charges?

 

[KingTempest]

Not to be that guy, but do we know if the mech’s movement is powered by CE or just a regular battery or sum.

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Neutral for now, I'm very iffy on the KE scaling to one second of the charge (tho at least it's better than scaling goddamn Ultimate Canon to it)

She would, for some reason we've neglected upgrading her for the past two years

I think it was because of Toji since he died to awakened gojo, though it wouldnt really be a downgrade or something to hold her back because this gojo had hp alongside new RCT (even if he just awakened it)

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Not to be that guy, but do we know if the mech’s movement is powered by CE or just a regular battery or sum.

Rereading the chapters (Ch 80-82) there is no implication that it uses a regular battery and based on the fact that it would use Kokichi Mutas Puppet manipulation (A CT where the puppets are controlled and used via CE) it does seem more plausible that it uses CE in comparison to just a simple battery

Though that's my input and there's people that have a better standing than I do

 

[GunshyFever]

Following

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Neutral for now, I'm very iffy on the KE scaling to one second of the charge (tho at least it's better than scaling goddamn Ultimate Canon to it)

She would, for some reason we've neglected upgrading her for the past two years

I think it’s cause she’s in a weird state where she isn’t said to have gotten stronger unlike the others but it also means characters who could hurt her before would backscale (ie curse naoya would be 7-C)

 

[KingTempest]

Neutral for now, I'm very iffy on the KE scaling to one second of the charge (tho at least it's better than scaling goddamn Ultimate Canon to it)

Well I’m here for now

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Iirc Yuta’s max output is a touch below

Yuta+Awakened Rika love beam is below Ryus GB.
Heck even fully unleashed Rika is physically weaker than Ryu when he is serious and he can one shot her. Rika and Yuta are comparable.

Didn’t gojo say your own CE hurts you less tho?

Recalcing the old granite blast might be better for physicals

Its not stated to be applicable to everyone.

Ryu tanks his own granite blast so he can at least downscale

Yeah sure

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

just to be that guy cuz tier 8 jjk is funny

Ryu is stated to have the highest cursed energy output in the culling games (before Sukuna joined). This means he is the player that can put the most energy into his attacks.

How does this scale? Muta wasn't a player and this is clearly something that needs a ton of output. Nothing in the scan says Ryu's output is higher than Muta's.

Uraume is a culling game player so this logically puts Ryu’s AP over Uraume's maximum output frost calm (2.95 Kilotons).

Kenjaku states this form reaches Special Grade cursed energy output. Therefore, the special grade sorcerers: Gojo, Sukuna, Yuki, Yuta and Geto, scale to the five year output of 18.48 Kilotons.

Yeah, this is before Mechamaru uses the 5 year charge. All the prior moves were before the 5 year charge so the special grade output is below the 5 year charge meaning no one scales. This is consistent with Uraume's output (3.7 and 7.3 kilotons to her 2.95kt and she is only comparable to Hakari who is weaker than yuta and other special grades)

 

[NARONG_SUVAN]

Special grade like Yuta can’t always output his full power without significant charge time or proper CT.

We really doesn’t know if Kenjaku means something like full power from special grade (which except for gojo and Sakuna they can’t output that consistently) or just general AP for any special grade attack.

Also am I allow to discuss scaling here most of those seem iffy

 

[NARONG_SUVAN]

How does this scale? Muta wasn't a player and this is clearly something that needs a ton of output. Nothing in the scan says Ryu's output is higher than Muta's.

His output is higher than Yuta who is special grade.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

His output is higher than Yuta who is special grade.

And below I laid the reasons why special grades don't scale to the 5 year charge

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

just to be that guy cuz tier 8 jjk is funny




How does this scale? Muta wasn't a player and this is clearly something that needs a ton of output. Nothing in the scan says Ryu's output is higher than Muta's.





Yeah, this is before Mechamaru uses the 5 year charge. All the prior moves were before the 5 year charge so the special grade output is below the 5 year charge meaning no one scales. This is consistent with Uraume's output (3.7 and 7.3 kilotons to her 2.95kt and she is only comparable to Hakari who is weaker than yuta and other special grades)

Yeah checking ch 81 (where the statement was made in the 3 chapter fight) Kenjaku did make the statement only after the 1st and 2nd year charge was used. Still Town level is possible for the special grades since the 2 year charge is around 7 kilotons of tnt

I do think the 5 year charge could potentially be used outside of the absolute mode mechamaru but yeah it would make sense that the special grades scale around the 3 to 7 kilotons part

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

just to be that guy cuz tier 8 jjk is funny




How does this scale? Muta wasn't a player and this is clearly something that needs a ton of output. Nothing in the scan says Ryu's output is higher than Muta's.





Yeah, this is before Mechamaru uses the 5 year charge. All the prior moves were before the 5 year charge so the special grade output is below the 5 year charge meaning no one scales. This is consistent with Uraume's output (3.7 and 7.3 kilotons to her 2.95kt and she is only comparable to Hakari who is weaker than yuta and other special grades)

Can we stop the agenda and acknowledge Gege made Hakari and Yuta around same level. If we take Yuta's statement JP Hakari is above Yuta and Uraume Obviously physically weaker than JP Hakari.

 

[Electronic74947]

Not to be that guy, but do we know if the mech’s movement is powered by CE or just a regular battery or sum.

It’s literally called puppertry

 

[Electronic74947]

Can we stop the agenda and acknowledge Gege made Hakari and Yuta around same level. If we take Yuta's statement JP Hakari is above Yuta and Uraume Obviously physically weaker than JP Hakari.

People seem to forget that Yuta punches granite blasts through sheer reinforcement alone lmao. If Yuta says they’re comparable it’s defo through reinforcement

 

[Electronic74947]

Yuta+Awakened Rika love beam is below Ryus GB.
Heck even fully unleashed Rika is physically weaker than Ryu when he is serious and he can one shot her. Rika and Yuta are comparable.

With max output, it’s stated to be a touch below, don’t **** with jjk fans we don’t read the manga. Yuta quite literally punches through weaker granite blasts too so he’d scale to the recalc of granite blast too in reinforcement. Which gets to MCB iirc

Its not stated to be applicable to everyone.

He says “because it’s my own CE it affects me less” nothing implies it’s to do with him specifically

 

[NARONG_SUVAN]

Yuta quite literally punches through weaker granite blasts too so he’d scale to the recalc of granite blast

Why would that two granites blast scale with each other when one have time to charge as sneak attack and other is blast on changing enemy in rush of battle