JSHK simple downgrade

[SouMeaningless]

Yes that's what I'm saying. Whether it's universe sized or not was already addressed in the CRT where all of this was accepted, and this thread is purely trying to dismiss is under the false idea that pocket realities can't be universal in size

Geez...please understand the context and read it carefully..
I don't mind what's inside Shijima's world, even though the inside is the size of a universe... but that won't work if the external medium is only the size of drawing paper...
Literally it's just a pocket dimension with a large size, nothing more.

 

[SouMeaningless]

@Mr. Bambu How much input is needed for this thread to be approved?
Maybe I can ask some of the other staff for help

 

[Mr. Bambu]

This thread makes no sense, why is anyone even entertaining the idea of accepting it?

The OP in no way addresses the justifications and arguments for the current ratings. Instead it simply asserts a false belief that the universes appearing as pictures somehow debunks them actually being universes. Not only that but they're openly ignoring other previously accepted threads without even addressing anything said in them either, which is somehow even worse.

Even if you agree with the conclusion (in other words disagree with the current justifications), that does not justify accepting this specific thread. The claim made in the OP is pretty much objectively wrong, and if you want a downgrade for different reasons you should close this and make a different CRT that actually lists those reasons. Not completely ignore what the thread actually tries to claim and pretend it says something else.

The arguments put forth by the OP so far have been less than substantive, aye. That said, I have since looked through the original CRT that the OP proposed to undo, and I agree that CRT is lacking, too.

This CRT can't move forward until something is adequately proposed as a replacement. As it stands, nothing has been. But there is room to make a change.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Geez...please understand the context and read it carefully..
I don't mind what's inside Shijima's world, even though the inside is the size of a universe... but that won't work if the external medium is only the size of drawing paper...
Literally it's just a pocket dimension with a large size, nothing more.

This absolutely isn't how this works.

 

[DavidTPPM]

I don't mind what's inside Shijima's world, even though the inside is the size of a universe... but that won't work if the external medium is only the size of drawing paper...

You're yet to make a single argument for why would the outside appearance matter to its true size.

Literally it's just a pocket dimension with a large size, nothing more.

Yeah exactly. A pocket dimension of universal size.
Neither it being a type of "Pocket Reality" nor it's outside appearance contradict it's rating.

Your arguments simply don't support your premise or conclusion

 

[DavidTPPM]

The arguments put forth by the OP so far have been less than substantive, aye. That said, I have since looked through the original CRT that the OP proposed to undo, and I agree that CRT is lacking, too.

I understand that but if you have disagreements with the ratings that are unrelated to the OP I believe it's best to open a thread specifically for them so people can focus directly on them and properly address them. Instead of focusing on other irrelevant stuff like this thread does.

This CRT can't move forward until something is adequately proposed as a replacement. As it stands, nothing has been. But there is room to make a change.

Replacement is one thing but the whole justification is faulty which is directly also responsible for the lack of replacement value to begin with.

 

[SouMeaningless]

This absolutely isn't how this works.

Then, how?

 

[SouMeaningless]

You're yet to make a single argument for why would the outside appearance matter to its true size.

Yeah exactly. A pocket dimension of universal size.
Neither it being a type of "Pocket Reality" nor it's outside appearance contradict it's rating.

Your arguments simply don't support your premise or conclusion

I really don't know how to make you understand anymore. I'll just try it one more time,okay?
Why can't the world of Shijima's canvas that you talk about be called a universe? because it doesn't have a real dimensional axis. then the characteristic "her world" refers more to a pocket dimension than a universe because the first point I mentioned, her world is the size of a universe but from the outside, its size is not even bigger than the universe,or not even same as the inside.
Then for the problem of different time continuum, basically the pocket dimension does have a different time continuum because it is separated from reality

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I understand that but if you have disagreements with the ratings that are unrelated to the OP I believe it's best to open a thread specifically for them so people can focus directly on them and properly address them. Instead of focusing on other irrelevant stuff like this thread does.

Replacement is one thing but the whole justification is faulty which is directly also responsible for the lack of replacement value to begin with.

I'm not involved with this verse, it isn't one I have ever really even heard of. My agreement thus far has been "yeah, the justification for the current tier is very bad, what do you propose?"

So. This CRT can't actually do anything without some properly defined justification. We're agreeeing, is my point.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Then, how?

If you create a universe, then it is a universe. What it appears to be externally generally is irrelevant.

 

[SouMeaningless]

If you create a universe, then it is a universe. What it appears to be externally generally is irrelevant.

Pocket dimension users also create universes? But with different standards, namely the absence of an axis dimension like the universe in general, if that's your opinion then just assume that this L2-C downgrade experiment is just nonsense.
And you say what's on the outside doesn't matter, right? Let's say I have a pocket dimension with infinite size but has a shape like a pebble which is even very small compared to a universe,does that make sense?

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Even if it is called Pocket dimension if it is big enough to qualify as full universe it is a universe.

Pocket dimension users also create universes? But with different standards, namely the absence of an axis dimension like the universe in general, if that's your opinion then just assume that this L2-C downgrade experiment is just nonsense.
And you say what's on the outside doesn't matter, right? Let's say I have a pocket dimension with infinite size but has a shape like a pebble which is even very small compared to a universe,does that make sense?

Yes it does in fictional settings. Some entities can compress entire realities or universes into a hypervolume to appear small and become easily accessible and easy to carry around.

 

[SouMeaningless]

If you create a universe, then it is a universe. What it appears to be externally generally is irrelevant.

So you agree with L2-C?

 

[DavidTPPM]

So you agree with L2-C?

He doesn't agree with L2-C but he also doesn't agree with your arguments against it.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

He doesn't agree with L2-C but he also doesn't agree with your arguments against it.

This is it, yeah.

 

[Syncornize]

This is it, yeah.

I'll keep this short(maybe), I've seen a post indicating that Shijima's fictional world has a universe rating and deserves L2C Then the problem is, is it really a universe, or just a pocket dimension? I will discuss it here. As we can see here, Shijima is the one responsible for creating this fictional world, but this cannot be considered a universe, because this is only a "fake world" on her drawing paper, or in this sense it is just another, lower dimension created by Shijima. Unlike the universe in general, the Shijima world is just a pocket dimension with a large size

I'm not an expert on the verse; one of the factors that leaves me in doubt is the functioning of the ability or rather, the mechanics of the verse.

Even if it might be considered a pocket reality, it can still have universal dimensions under the right conditions. Even though the separation of space and time isn’t very detailed or explicit, it seems to be provided by the word "completely" in the scan. TBH, I would have preferred more context because what’s available is rather lacking although perhaps it was explained and I simply missed it.

The explanation about Yashiro doesn’t offer much context. Aside from being able to manipulate events, is the ability to extend life due to a modification of the structure’s own time, or can it simply adjust its age?
Even if it were time manipulation, there are other issues that only a deeper context could deny, such as the range of the ability and the fact that there is non-linear time in the structure.

If we’re talking about a pocket reality, being a "different place" and having celestial coverings inside are not sufficient evidence to evaluate it as a Universal structure

At first glance, it seems to be downsized to something like a pocket dimension.
It is a structure separate from everything else,The currently demonstrated limit is in line with a multi-solar-system-scale structure, yet it appears as a much smaller object.

(The temporal separation mentioned in the old OP’s premises doesn’t convince me much, and the fact that I haven’t seen any scans explicitly discussing continuum or space-time leaves me perplexed from that point of view as well.)

I couldn’t really take a definite stance because, as I said, I don’t know the verse well and I’m basing my view on what I’ve seen. In my opinion, neither of the two OPs was convincing, but the Low 2-C seems more far-fetched. Both OPs should give more context.

I'll keep this short(maybe), I've seen a post indicating that Shijima's fictional world has a universe rating and deserves L2C Then the problem is, is it really a universe, or just a pocket dimension? I will discuss it here. As we can see here, Shijima is the one responsible for creating this fictional world, but this cannot be considered a universe, because this is only a "fake world" on her drawing paper, or in this sense it is just another, lower dimension created by Shijima. Unlike the universe in general, the Shijima world is just a pocket dimension with a large size

NO, this doesn't work either logically or by standards. Apparent or external dimensions hold no value in certain fictional contexts, especially if one of your abilities is compressing such a structure into a more confined space. If you are capable of creating a universe and have done so within a reasonable timeframe, the feat is valid.

 

[Yeolban]

Even if it might be considered a pocket reality, it can still have universal dimensions under the right conditions. Even though the separation of space and time isn’t very detailed or explicit, it seems to be provided by the word "completely" in the scan. TBH, I would have preferred more context because what’s available is rather lacking although perhaps it was explained and I simply missed it.

The explanation about Yashiro doesn’t offer much context. Aside from being able to manipulate events, is the ability to extend life due to a modification of the structure’s own time, or can it simply adjust its age?
Even if it were time manipulation, there are other issues that only a deeper context could deny, such as the range of the ability and the fact that there is non-linear time in the structure.

Okay, I will explain. In TBHK, there's "lifespans". Every single human is born with a lifespan, and Yashiro Nene is no exception. Mirai, a character with the ability to fast-forward other people's time, could not fast-forward Nene's time because she had no more left (as she was set to die within a year).

When Hanako mentioned that Shijima's World is completely separate from reality, he meant it in this exact context. He talks about how Nene has less than a year left because that's her predetermined future in the Real World, but she is capable of avoiding that if she stays in Shijima's World specifically because of this.