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Jotaro vs Kenshiro
- Thread starter Kyle_Ramos
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Muso Tensei is literally being intangible or non-corporal
If Jotaro can erase souls or effect reality, then Ken gets annihilated
If Jotaro can erase souls or effect reality, then Ken gets annihilated
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NLF. It's never shown that it's literally nothing. Just that it's physically intangible. That's been discussed other threads.
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>It's never been shown that it's literally nothing
Muso Tensei as an ability is described as being nothing, and in no other way
Someone trying to touch a Muso Tensei user without also holding Muso Tensei have their hand cease to exist
How not there do you want it to be
Muso Tensei as an ability is described as being nothing, and in no other way
Someone trying to touch a Muso Tensei user without also holding Muso Tensei have their hand cease to exist
How not there do you want it to be
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It only erases physically. Stands are intangible and non-corporeal.
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Yeah that is complete wank. Ken is not going to resist Existence Erasure on a 2-A scale.
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It's never been shown as literally nothing... despite the fact it's described as nothingness.
I don't understand using Jotaro in his battle with Dio as an example of Timestop Spam. DIO is the main antagonist and danger, the goddamn big bad, the dude that killed Kakyoin, hurt his grandpa and made him angry as heck. Not only this, it was his only real way to escape death and his best chance at getting Dio. You can't compare this to a normal dude that Jotaro doesn't know and doesn't even pull out a Stand.
And this all still doesn't chance the fact that Ken just needs a light nut tap to utterly make SP explode, or a single ki blast to hit a pressure point from distance and Jotaro is kinda going cablooey.
I don't understand using Jotaro in his battle with Dio as an example of Timestop Spam. DIO is the main antagonist and danger, the goddamn big bad, the dude that killed Kakyoin, hurt his grandpa and made him angry as heck. Not only this, it was his only real way to escape death and his best chance at getting Dio. You can't compare this to a normal dude that Jotaro doesn't know and doesn't even pull out a Stand.
And this all still doesn't chance the fact that Ken just needs a light nut tap to utterly make SP explode, or a single ki blast to hit a pressure point from distance and Jotaro is kinda going cablooey.
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Saying Jotaro can't hurt an intangible Human, is like saying Kenshiro can't hurt an intangible stand.
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Inconclusive FRA.
Nobody knows how the heck their powers will interact with each other since they've never fought people like each other before.
Nobody knows how the heck their powers will interact with each other since they've never fought people like each other before.
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Are there 7 votes for one of the catagories? Because if there isn't I feel like it'd be a waste to close this when it's so close to it's conclusion.
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inconclusive FRA
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Unless anyone can say anything convincing, Inconclusive for Reasons Above as well.
That said, the only thing Stands can be selectively intangible to is anything that is not a stand, in the case it's one you aren't seeing the Stand just lol nope with intangibility unless it's directly connected to their power, never to their nature as a stand. They are even called "life force" or "fighting spirit" personified.
Toki, translated as "fighting spirit", is supposed to be the kind of Ki people like Ken use for their attacks. I literally see no reason why he couldn't hurt or affect Star Platinum, Muso Tensei shenanigans notwithstanding.
That said, the only thing Stands can be selectively intangible to is anything that is not a stand, in the case it's one you aren't seeing the Stand just lol nope with intangibility unless it's directly connected to their power, never to their nature as a stand. They are even called "life force" or "fighting spirit" personified.
Toki, translated as "fighting spirit", is supposed to be the kind of Ki people like Ken use for their attacks. I literally see no reason why he couldn't hurt or affect Star Platinum, Muso Tensei shenanigans notwithstanding.
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Thing is, Ken only ever pulls Muso Tensei if he's in a really big pinch. Jotaro pulls timestop if his he notices his opponent is gonna attack him. Dude did that for Josuke, Ratt, SHA, Kira, and Pucci.
Also, stands do not only affect stands, it can also affect ghosts, i.e. Reimi.
Also, stands do not only affect stands, it can also affect ghosts, i.e. Reimi.
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Jotaro winsKyle Ramos said:EoH Jotaro vs Kenshiro
Speed equalized. Who ohks first.
"Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru"
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Based on what? We've been talking about this for days and we haven't found anything conclusive. Kenshiro is going to have trouble getting past SP, but SP can't touch Ken once Muso Tensei activates. But, time stop keeps Kenshiro away. Soryu Tenra could cancel out SP and leave the two in a fist fight, but theoretically SP could keep him too occupied to activate it. Most of us are going inconclusive because we aren't getting anywhere fast
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Can't stands interact with over stands while they're intangible?
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I vote for Jotaro on the basis that his reality warping is more useful than anything Ken can do. Basically, for my original reasonings. Ken might win but I think Jotaro wins more often here.
And yes, Kenshiro can see and interact with Star Platinum.
And yes, Kenshiro can see and interact with Star Platinum.
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Muso Tensei doesn't activate in stopped time @DMUA
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I still don't see why anyone is bringing up Muso Tensei when Kenshiro needs the lightest tap to desintegrate Star Platinum and by extension, Jotaro.
Like, what is he gonna do against a guy that's using his fists and not even pulling out a Stand? Time Stop? Really?
I also hope, Hierophant, that those Time Stops were when Jotaro didn't even know who he was fighting against. Time Stopping an opponent with a stand that he knows can hurt him and a nobody Joe that uses his fist is very different.
Like, what is he gonna do against a guy that's using his fists and not even pulling out a Stand? Time Stop? Really?
I also hope, Hierophant, that those Time Stops were when Jotaro didn't even know who he was fighting against. Time Stopping an opponent with a stand that he knows can hurt him and a nobody Joe that uses his fist is very different.
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I agree, Muso Tensei seems batshit useless here. Star Platinum punches Ken, it goes through him like nothing happened... "This is Muso Tensei, I cannot be touched", "Yare yare," and reality overwrite so he can touch Kenshiro, or just erases his void being.
No, he's probably not going to timestop and stomp Ken immediately. But when he realises Star Platinum's ORA ORA ORA isn't causing him to flinch and that Ken is looking right at his stand, you bet he's going to stop time before Ken can throw out his retaliation.
The logic is that Jotaro is likely to stop time against an opponent who he percieves as strong. Jotaro would know Kenshiro is strong based on the fact that Star Platinum can't harm him (which he would quickly discover, Jotaro is definitely first to punch here). From there it also becomes likely Jotaro says "**** this" and just erases his opponent.
No, he's probably not going to timestop and stomp Ken immediately. But when he realises Star Platinum's ORA ORA ORA isn't causing him to flinch and that Ken is looking right at his stand, you bet he's going to stop time before Ken can throw out his retaliation.
The logic is that Jotaro is likely to stop time against an opponent who he percieves as strong. Jotaro would know Kenshiro is strong based on the fact that Star Platinum can't harm him (which he would quickly discover, Jotaro is definitely first to punch here). From there it also becomes likely Jotaro says "**** this" and just erases his opponent.
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Incon FRA
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incon fra
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Someone add this
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wait but kenshiro can see auras(spirutal energy) of other beings should be able to avoid the star platinum
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ok
JohnCenaNation
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JoJo: Za Warudo!!! *time stops* MUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDA!!! Toki wo tomare.
Kenshiro: *gets reality wrapped out of existences*
JoJo wins fatality.
Literally, Jotaro can beat Goku: Xeno, but he can't one-shot Kenshiro? What kind of a bs is this???
Kenshiro: *gets reality wrapped out of existences*
JoJo wins fatality.
Literally, Jotaro can beat Goku: Xeno, but he can't one-shot Kenshiro? What kind of a bs is this???
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Ken can erase Jotaro with a thought
Xeno can't.
Xeno can't.
JohnCenaNation
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Are you implying to me that Kenshiro can beat Goku: Xeno in a fight? Please don't.Schnee One said:
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Technically Jotaro hasn't one started with RO and never used it offensively either in character meaning his win against Xeno Goku is probably a stomp
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