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JoJo should be upgraded to Town Level

This is not how you format a Content Revision thread if you're looking to convince a lot of people. That is a blog full of unevaluated calcs and you haven't made any list of changes in the OP to how profiles would be affected by them even if they were accepted.
 
This is not how you format a Content Revision thread if you're looking to convince a lot of people. That is a blog full of unevaluated calcs and you haven't made any list of changes in the OP to how profiles would be affected by them even if they were accepted.
But I mean, you said you blatantly ignore feats, remember? Like all the staff at VsWiki does. You said, ‘We ignore blatant feats all the time on the wiki. I don't think I'm that wrong at all in saying that; whether i to scale characters higher, or scale characters lower, there are tons of cases of ignoring a character's feats or anti-feats on the wiki’. I was just trying to attract attention to this. Also Antvasima said to make convince the staff to upgrade id need to do a Content Revision instead of making a blog
 
Like all the staff at VsWiki does.
Um speak for yourself my guy, you're quite literally a brand new wiki user coming out swinging accusing literally all staff and users of blatantly ignoring feats. Not a good first look if you didn't get the hint, worse even since all he said is this isn't how you format a content revision thread so no need to blow a gasket, he is right you did not format this CRT correct at all, content of what's inside the blog aside.
 
@Konoheisenbergda; you should familiarize yourself with our standards on Outliers as that is what I was referring to in the past.

Note that I haven't said anything in this thread about ignoring what you've linked to in the OP; just that you haven't formatted your arguments in favor of what you're proposing well at all. You can't just drop a load of unevaluated calcs on us and expect us to accept that without question.
 
Um speak for yourself my guy, you're quite literally a brand new wiki user coming out swinging accusing literally all staff and users of blatantly ignoring feats. Not a good first look if you didn't get the hint, worse even since all he said is this isn't how you format a content revision thread so no need to blow a gasket, he is right you did not format this CRT correct at all, content of what's inside the blog aside.
Uhh I have a photo of this guy saying that, I don’t wanna seem like I’m throwing out accusations, I literally have a photo where this guy says that. I would send it, but I’m on mobile and it’s pretty frickin complicated to send on here ngl. If you could help I would appreciate it
 
@Konoheisenbergda; you should familiarize yourself with our standards on Outliers as that is what I was referring to in the past.

Note that I haven't said anything in this thread about ignoring what you've linked to in the OP; just that you haven't formatted your arguments in favor of what you're proposing well at all. You can't just drop a load of unevaluated calcs on us and expect us to accept that without question.
Well I mean the way it was typed out just didn’t seem like you were referring to Outliers at all, tho I only got it from somewhere else and not on the thread you wrote that it in, so idk the context. Also if it’s not evaluated then pls, evaluate, what’s the hold up?
 
Well I mean the way it was typed out just didn’t seem like you were referring to Outliers at all, tho I only got it from somewhere else and not on the thread you wrote that it in, so idk the context. Also if it’s not evaluated then pls, evaluate, what’s the hold up?
Well if you don't know the context maybe don't bother commenting about stuff you're ignorant of?
 
Well if you don't know the context maybe don't bother commenting about stuff you're ignorant of?
Dude everyone is saying that that’s how it rolls in VsWiki, but okay, I’m sorry, I should’ve been clearer and I didn’t know that you were talking about Outliers and I shoulda been more prepared on the context either way
 
Uhh I have a photo of this guy saying that, I don’t wanna seem like I’m throwing out accusations, I literally have a photo where this guy says that. I would send it, but I’m on mobile and it’s pretty tricking complicated to send on here ngl. If you could help I would appreciate it
We're all aware of that screenshot, that statement was made several several years ago and continues to do negative PR to this day but that's not a reflection of the wiki or our staff as a whole and I'd like to say Damage isn't fond of himself saying that previously as well.


All that aside yes I can take a look at this blog later, I'm at work right now
 
We're all aware of that screenshot, that statement was made several several years ago and continues to do negative PR to this day but that's not a reflection of the wiki or our staff as a whole and I'd like to say Damage isn't fond of himself saying that previously as well.


All that aside yes I can take a look at this blog later, I'm at work right now
Damn, that’s unfortunate, hope people do then realise the larger context at that moment then. Anyways, good luck at work bro
 
I'll take a look through the calcs later.
 
JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure has tons of Town-City Level evidence, yet is never bumped, this needs to change so badly


Read this https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Konoheisenbergda/JoJo_Town_Level_is_real to understand how it should be Town - City Level.
First feat is anime only and is completely different than in the manga. In the manga the SRSE just pierces some zombies and cuts a pillar in half

Second feat, we already have it calced at 8-A and its better than use the average size of a volcano's crater since we are using the actual volcano where the fight takes place in. Besides Joseph doesnt scale to this, only Kars he jumped out of the plane before the explosion occurred.

The Sun's feat doesnt scale to its AP, its Environmental Destruction. The Stand doesnt use its heat to attack the targets directly and its lasers are verbatum stated in the databooks to be a different type of attack with nothing to do with its intense heat

No clue why a day's worth of energy is being used for the RHCP calc

No one scales to WR weather feats

Ghiaccio's feat is a complete outlier and misrepresents what he's trying to say. Freezing the ocean is just a general statement talking about how he can freeze the sea, hell he even uses train engines as a comparison as well.


So I disagree with the crt
 
JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure has tons of Town-City Level evidence, yet is never bumped, this needs to change so badly


Read this https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Konoheisenbergda/JoJo_Town_Level_is_real to understand how it should be Town - City Level.
Oho buddy, this is gonna be fun!

Dio Splitting Clouds
Oh you know, the thing that has absolutely 0 reason to scale to physicals?! This is gonna be a trend, fair warning!
Joseph and Kars surviving a plane explosion
Wrong, not only am I fairly certain that Joseph got out of the worst of this in context, but you need to calc both characters' surface area to say they Tanked it, something you can't do.
The Sun AP
Not only did you get dunked on in the comments like an average Joe after Michael Jordon walked into your pick-up game, this also has 0 reason to scale to Physicals.
RCHP succ Morioh powa
Hilarious. But no check Agnaa's comment on that calc. You used an hour, not 1 second of power... so divide your result by 3600 for an hour or 86400 if you decide for a day.
Jolyne Deflects Meteors
Prove the meteors were going faster than average meteor speeds. Let's also not forget that it is incredibly easy to argue those aren't real meteors because even approaching those speeds for a meteor that small in atmosphere would delete the damn thing
Weather Report can make hurricanes
...Do I need to say it? Doesn't scale to physicals unless you make batshit assumptions.
Ghiaccio is one cold mf
Once again! Doesn't scale to physicals!

To sum it up: several feats that don't scale to physicals, were thoroughly ripped apart in the comments, or a combination of both.
 
Anime only, feat is legit (calc isn't tho but it'd be lower end 7-C, that goes for most of these calcs actually, they kinda....), but it's anime only as said.
Kars is an active god tier, and we literally use it already, it's 8-A, which corroborates the fact he's HUNDREDS of times more potent than other dudes.
Joseph isn't even remotely close to the blast, ISL is a thing, Kars might be pointblanked as he's pinned to the plane, but Joseph? We calced that too actually, he's only taking 9-B amounts of energy, he's like 100m away from the blast itself.

Also you like, calced it completely wrong, we KNOW the diameter of that volcano, it's an actual irl place, the calc we use already uses the actual canon size of it. It's 505m wide, not 2500m.
Its AP is barely 9-B, it just shoots lil beams that melt some rock.
Luminosity is high but that doesn't scale to anyone, anything, plus the calc and method itself is flawed so....
Uh, yeah, no, calc is just wrong. You didn't account for the actual timeframe at all, I'm pretty sure you used a YEAR worth of energy even.
Mass is heavily inflated. You used a meteor she EXPLICITLY said she couldn't block or deflect. She doesn't scale to that one. Yeah that one is bigger, but it's also so far above what she's capable of doing the very manga acknowledges it. You need to use the meteors she actually deflects for the mass, not meteors she literally, actively, doesn't scale to at all that are like 100x bigger.

Speed is flatout wrong. The meteors that Jolyne actually deflects, take over 40 seconds to actually come. We know this because the anime gives Planet Waves an audio cue for when he uses his ability to call them down, between the audio cue and when they hit her, it is legit almost a whole ass minute of them grappling, talking, etc. You used a timeframe for things she never hit, and applied it to a different instance.

Which is to say on both accounts this is completely wrong, sorry.
This is true. This does not scale to anything though, it's part of his ability, he doesn't punch that hard tho, in fact he has an explicit punch cap (while injured, but ya know, still a statement).
We have this thread like once a month, he isn't even saying he can do that, he's talking about how matter ceases motion the colder it gets and gives examples to exemplify it. He doesn't actually say he can do it, you can even check the raw.

And how could he? He actively doesn't have that sort of range?

I could go more in depth on every account here but I don't wanna, I wanna play MHW so uh, yeah nah man. Worst part is this doesn't even take into account scaling or outliers. If Planet Waves was that strong, it'd be an outlier, Stone Free has pretty explicit caps for example.
 
Prove the meteors were going faster than average meteor speeds. Let's also not forget that it is incredibly easy to argue those aren't real meteors because even approaching those speeds for a meteor that small in atmosphere would delete the damn thing
They are real meteors, it very explicitly draws them from outer space, shows what they are, and explains it in an excessive amount of detail, and as they come toward earth they burn up. They actively get smaller as they come close due to that, a fact that makes it so he will never be hit by his own attacks because they will always pulv before they reach him.
And like, they do be fast.

Just not as fast as the calc suggests, the fact they're meteors + the actual time frame of the attacks, puts them at like, meteor speed....
 
JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure has tons of Town-City Level evidence, yet is never bumped, this needs to change so badly


Read this https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Konoheisenbergda/JoJo_Town_Level_is_real to understand how it should be Town - City Level.
Okay so I've seen some of your higher level JoJo calcs before. A few I've responded too and given my two cents on, but I'll just quickly go over the others here:

Space Ripper Stingy Eye: Saying that the anime feat should apply because it just provides a different "perspective" makes absolutely no sense. We don't take other media's interpretation of feats as cannon to original source material. It's the reason we have unique anime and manga profiles for some characters, or even movie and novel versions of characters. The anime is a completely different piece of material, and that different perspective is a unique and non-applicable feat. It'd be like watching all the crazy stuff that happens in the JJK anime and trying to apply it to the manga when half of what happens is uniquely done by the animators. Like genuinely, this is just kind of common sense that we don't translate what happens in one piece of media for a series to another. Sure, we know the stingy eye is a powerful ability in both incarnations, but you can't just apply what a unique piece of media does to the original.

Part 2 Plane Explosion: Firstly, the plane used in the part is absolutely not comparable to a 737, and I'm frankly shocked you think it would be. The plane Joseph uses to ram Kars into the volcano is a small-medium size military biplane (I couldn't find the make or model off a quick search though), not a multi-hundred seat passenger airliner. Even the largest planes of the time could only hold a little over 1,300 liters of fuel. Not only did you pick the wrong plane though, but you literally lied about which one you chose for fuel capacity. On the page you provided, the only plane with that level of fuel is the Boeing 747-8 (a frankly gigantic wide body airliner). An actual 737 only holds 20,000-26,000 liters of fuel. If you actually calculated it based on an accurate fule sourc,e this only gets you to around High 8-C+

With the pixel measurement calc, the same issue comes up again of using the anime, although it's a bit more forgivable since it's a representation of a feat we ACTUALLY see in the manga. However, the problem here is that your estimates on the volcano's mouth size don't really work compared to what we actually see. We can literally see in the manga that the lip of the volcano only reaches to be around 50 to 100 meters wide (relative to the rock Joseph and Kars are on), and even in the anime it's a similar size. Assuming everything else was right, then it puts this version of the feat somewhere in the 8-B range.

Finally, and I can't understand how you didn't notice this, but Joseph doesn't tank the explosion. The entire point of the scene is that him and Stroheim have to jump out before it explodes. Otherwise, Joseph would've ended up directly in the lava along with Kars. This makes Kars who would even remotely scale to this, which also also kinda consistent considering that this entire feat is a lot weaker than you portray it to be.

RHCP Absorbing Morioh's Energy: While your math isn't inherently wrong, the way you are using your numbers again is. The calc we use currently for this feat is very similar, except the power consumption of the average house is 8147 kW/h. However, that metric is for a years worth of power consumption, which RHCP couldn't have absorbed if he was only being powered during the fight. The calc we currently assumes that he uses enough power for around 10 minutes, because again, he isn't taking a YEARS worth of energy from the town.

Jolyne Meteor Calc: Dude, again with the anime stuff. It doesn't work. Okay, first off we aren't told directly that the second we see the meteors is at the same time that Jolyne is being choked out. Metoers are drawn the Westwood constantly, so we know that they were falling before the interaction, and this is literally shown to us in the manga. Jolyne is getting strangled, then the meteors appear near her. THEN, we flashback to space to see the meteors come down along with an explanation (plus there's an extra scene in the manga of some prisoners commenting on them as they come down). THEN we go back to Jolyne about to be hit by them.

Not only is the speed of the meteors you calced invalid then, but also the meteor you chose to calc are invalid. Jolyne doesn't defect the meteor that hits the boot (as a matter fact it rips her shoulder apart when she does). She is only ever seen deflecting meteors that were significantly smaller.


Overall, with all due respect, all of these calcs are full of blatant misinterpretation or false information. All of them are completely overblown.
 
Oh you know, the thing that has absolutely 0 reason to scale to physicals?! This is gonna be a trend, fair warning!
This is just straight up wrong, as he explicitly uses his own body energy to pressurize his blood to the point that they can split the clouds; there is no world where it doesn't scale to physicals. Though as Chariot explained, it's an anime only feat so it can't really be used anyway; but if we were to one day make Anime only profiles for some reason, we could use it.
 
This is just straight up wrong, as he explicitly uses his own body energy to pressurize his blood to the point that they can split the clouds; there is no world where it doesn't scale to physicals. Though as Chariot explained, it's an anime only feat so it can't really be used anyway; but if we were to one day make Anime only profiles for some reason, we could use it.
Just going by the Dio profile separating his physicals and the eyes
 
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