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JJK: Regeneration Rework

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So currently JJK is in need of a rework with the regeneration

Sukuna has Regeneration Negation (At least High-Mid; Can kill Special Grade Curses just by breaking them into a few pieces. Cursed Spirits have been shown to regenerate over time from their severed head) and Jogo has Regeneration (High-Mid over time. Cursed Spirits have been shown to regenerate over time from their severed head)

The justification for Jogo having High-Mid regen is wrong, regenerating from your severed head is only Mid so unless someone can provide a better justification for Jogo having High-Mid it needs to be downgraded to Mid and Sukuna either needs better justification for having High-Mid Regeneration Negation or it gets downgraded to Mid as well.

These Cursed Spirits also need their regeneration downgraded as well, for the reasons above:

So on the topic of Mahito he currently has Regeneration (Low-Godly. Can regenerate his body as long as his soul is intact. Yuji needed to directly hit his soul to deal with his regeneration)

Mahito himself stated that even if he is smashed into little pieces, he will be able to change the shape of his soul and regenerate[1]

According to our standards, that is, only High-Mid and Low-Godly is the ability to regenerate from the complete physical destruction of the user's body, instead restoring it from their disembodied consciousness. Which Mahito has no feat or statement of doing. We can't give someone this level of regeneration when the feats and statements contradict it.

So Mahito's regeneration should be downgraded to High-Mid

Edit: New Proposals

  • High-Mid over time for Cursed Spirits.
  • Sukuna loses Regeneration Negation.
  • Either Mahito gets High-Mid or Low-High Regen which is currently being discussed.

Edit 2: Newer Proposals

  • Mahito gets at least Low-High Regeneration.
  • Same Proposals in edit 1 expect for Mahito.


Edit 3: New Proposals once more

  • Cursed Spirits get High-Mid over time.
  • Sukuna loses Regeneration Negation
  • Mahito loses Low-Godly and gets at least High-Mid Possibly Low-High regen
  • Mahito gets Immortality Type 8


Agree: @ShadowWhoWalks @Arkenis @Shey @Dr._whiteee @Insert_creative_name_here_12 [B]@SamanPatou[/B] [B]@Duedate8898 [/B]
Neutral:
Disagree:
 
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Disagree on Sukuna having regeneration negation to begin with. No Cursed Spirit has shown passive regeneration from having its head sliced into several pieces, and the description we got for his cutting abilities mention nothing about regeneration.
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Basically, a regular cutting attack, and a cutting attack he buffs to match his opponent's durability.

If Sukuna sliced a strong Cursed Spirit's neck without damaging its head, I see no reason for why the Cursed Spirit wouldn't eventually regenerate a body.

From what it seems, the justification for High-Mid over time is that most of the body besides the head eventually regenerates. But in the short-term we can argue Low-Mid is more appropriate than Mid, since Cursed Spirit haven't been seen regenerating their brains quickly but have been seen regenerating their limbs.

Agree with the Mahito downgrade. Mahito regenerates by preventing the shape of his soul from changing, and then making the shape of his body conform to the shape of his soul; this implies that he needs a body to reshape in order to regenerate.
 
ShadowWhoWalks said:
From what it seems, the justification for High-Mid over time is that most of the body besides the head eventually regenerates. But in the short-term we can argue Low-Mid is more appropriate than Mid, since Cursed Spirit haven't been seen regenerating their brains quickly but have been seen regenerating their limbs.
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Well regenerating from decapitation is Mid level regen which Jogo has done off-screen but Low-Mid could work too
 
The finger bearer did not die from the cuts Sukuna made to it, it was exorcised after the cursed finger was removed. So arguably high-mid.

Mahito I think should qualify for At least Low-High given the nature of his ability. I agree with downgrading his current level of regen from low-godly though.
 
Dr._whiteee said:
The finger bearer did not die from the cuts Sukuna made to it, it was exorcised after the cursed finger was removed. So arguably high-mid.
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Could you show a scan for this?
Dr._whiteee said:
Mahito I think should qualify for At least Low-High given the nature of his ability. I agree with downgrading his current level of regen from low-godly though.
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At max, he should have High-Mid due to his own statement, I don't think he should have Low-High there is nothing to support that rating
 
SuperStar said:
Could you show a scan for this?
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The finger bearer is completely fine and conscious here only showing a sweat sign from the fear of being hit by the domain. It isn't until Sukuna removes the finger (which upon announcing his intent elicits genuine fear from the curse) from the cursed womb that it then incinerates.
SuperStar said:
At max, he should have High-Mid due to his own statement, I don't think he should have Low-High there is nothing to support that rating
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"Smashed to pieces" is inherently a vague statement and kinda misses the point of what he is getting at. Mahito's soul manip works on a cellular level which is why he can transform into a fish or transform his body into inorganic substance such as chains. This is all done with his soul manipulation, the same way he can also modify the bodies (making them bigger or smaller thus generating or modifying cells) of humans by manipulating their souls. So given his statement paired with his ability mechanics, a rating of At least low High tier is much more accurate Imo. Mahito's statement is not a cap of his regen, it's an example he gave underlying that he isn't really dependent on his body.
 
Dr._whiteee said:
The finger bearer is completely fine and conscious here only showing a sweat sign from the fear of being hit by the domain. It isn't until Sukuna removes the finger (which upon announcing his intent elicits genuine fear from the curse) from the cursed womb that it then incinerates.
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This is fine then if no one else disagrees
Dr._whiteee said:
Low high is coming back from blood or the cellular level. Those attacks were previously obliterating Mahito when hit and as you can read in the scan, Mahito was “destroyed” to the point in which his opponent thought him dead.
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Neutral on this for now
 
Agree with the Jogo, Hanami and Finger Bearer downgrades, disagree with the Mahito downgrade.

One important thing to note regarding Mahito is that his Cursed Energy is controlled through his will, which is completely different from any other character in the verse who control CE courtesy of the body.
His entire gimmick is essentially that the body is built upon the soul, since the soul existed before the body.
If his regeneration was in any way reliant upon the body, that would sorta defeat the purpose.


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AdNiBN002 said:
Agree with the Jogo, Hanami and Finger Bearer downgrades, disagree with the Mahito downgrade.

One important thing to note regarding Mahito is that his Cursed Energy is controlled through his will, which is completely different from any other character in the verse who control CE courtesy of the body.
His entire gimmick is essentially that the body is built upon the soul, since the soul existed before the body.
If his regeneration was in any way reliant upon the body, that would sorta defeat the purpose.


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This was later proven wrong by Kenjaku and later information. Both the body and soul are the same and simply different aspects of information. Which is why Yaga could create souls from body info and Toji was able to reclaim his memories from bidy jnfo
 
Dr._whiteee said:
This was later proven wrong by Kenjaku and later information. Both the body and soul are the same and simply different aspects of information. Which is why Yaga could create souls from body info and Toji was able to reclaim his memories from bidy jnfo
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It was disputed, not disproven.
And both Mahito and Kenjaku agreed that it's possible for both theories to be correct under different circumstances.
If we get clarification in the future regarding if Mahito was completely wrong or not then that can be handled accordingly, but as of now Mahito's statement still holds value.
 
AdNiBN002 said:
It was disputed, not disproven.
And both Mahito and Kenjaku agreed that it's possible for both theories to be correct under different circumstances.
If we get clarification in the future regarding if Mahito was completely wrong or not then that can be handled accordingly, but as of now Mahito's statement still holds value.
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It does not and was proven wrong. Not only is there the proof of I formation underlying both soul and body, but there is also Todo’s explanation of people existing as body, mind, and soul all at once.

The whole point of the scene with Mahito statement is to highlight his ignorance and pride. Kenjaku backs doen because there is no reason to drag on the issue, but later information manip and even the latest Maki stuff flat out proves him wrong.

All this being consistent with Buddhist philosophy which JjK is blatantly based on.
 
Dr._whiteee said:
Kenjaku backs doen because there is no reason to drag on the issue
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That's quite a big assumption instead of the natural inclination being that Mahito and Kenjaku just mutually agreed that it's possible for their techniques to have a distinct effect on their circumstances.
 
AdNiBN002 said:
That's quite a big assumption instead of the natural inclination being that Mahito and Kenjaku just mutually agreed that it's possible for their techniques to have a distinct effect on their circumstances.
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Sure, if you haven’t actually read the manga.
 
Yeah after reading some of the scans Mahito should have High or low godly, im more inclined to suggest high as we haven’t seen him come back from complete destruction but low godly isn’t ludicrous to me.
 
Me wishing i was a mod so i could say “agreed” and have jjk updated from its sad state
 
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