Jirou Revisions

[Tivanenk]

OK, so I've been looking over Jirou's profile (from Toriko) and I've noticed two points that irked me.

- First, Secret Art: Knocking Time. It says that he stops time around himself in a short radius, but there is no indication of that at all. Moreover, there is counter evidence for that. For instance, take a look at this: http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/3660/TBD-366.0/compressed/u017.jpg

Look at that! Is the Nitro frozen in time? Not at all! He's shivering and even stuttering, "Wha..." during this supposed "time stop". That doesn't seem like evidence for time stop. You can't argue that he has resistance to time stop, otherwise he wouldn't stand there like an idiot. Same reason why you can't argue that the time stop wore off. No, all the evidence points to regular knocking. You can't point out the visual effect either, because the same occurred during Grand Knocking. And if you point out the name... well, he has an attack called Big Bang. Unless this wiki counts NEO cells as universal, then you can't just base it off the name. Also, the name isn't even a giveaway name like "Time Stopping Knocking" or something. It's very ambiguous. We aren't sure if the knocking part serves as a verb or an adjective.

- Second, large planet level Sealed Jirou. Yes, Joa did say that all the disciples can destroy the planet, but there's no reason to believe that he was referring to sealed Jirou. It's quite probable that he was referring to Unsealed Jirou. Jirou doesn't have a single feat that spans into the large planet range, and he hasn't fought anyone in the large planet range. Heck, a NEO cell easily chomped off his arm, while the Kings slaughtered them like it was nothing. This is evidence that Sealed Jirou isn't quite large planet, unless I missed something, but I'm pretty sure I didn't.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

To be fair, i was the one that put that. THAT and i didn't know how to interpret that. So should i delete it then to avoid futre confusions or?

 

[Tivanenk]

To be fair, i was the one that put that. THAT and i didn't know how to interpret that. So should i delete it then to avoid futre confusions or?

Which one, the Knocking Time or Large Planet? Either way, Knocking Time should just be rephrased into regular knocking and Large Planet should be deleted from Sealed Jirou, is what I'm saying. Oh, and remove the time manipulation from the abilities, obviously.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Well i can definitely delete the time one (finally, someone simply have pointed out the problem, thank god).

Large Planet Jirou? Hmm...idk what to do with that one for his sealed or unsealed form though?

 

[Tivanenk]

Well i can definitely delete the time one (finally, someone simply have pointed out the problem, thank god).
Large Planet Jirou? Hmm...idk what to do with that one for his sealed or unsealed form though?

Just leave the Planet level for the Sealed Form (due to Grand Knocking) and leave Large Planet for Unsealed Form (since he fought NEO, Guinness, and whooped the Nitro)

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Hmm. Alright. Well thing is that Sheoth seems to know a bit more about Toriko than me though....

What about Jirou's feat of punching that pice of NEO into space? Not justifiable enough for him?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

The large planet level gap is extremely large so sealed jirou, the neo pieces and the 8 kings can all fit there so thats not an issue. Sealed jirou with his grand knowing stopped the rotation of the entire planet that is a large planet level feat so i dont see any reason to downgrade him as for the knocking time i agree it doesnt actually freeze time its just knocking.

 

[Tivanenk]

Hmm. Alright. Well thing is that Sheoth seems to know a bit more about Toriko than me though....
What about Jirou's feat of punching that pice of NEO into space? Not justifiable enough for him?

I wouldn't say so. Especially considering all the 8 Kings completely fodderized the NEO pieces, and he couldn't even dent it.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Yeah i'm pretty sure Tivan pointed that out Pegasus. Hmm in any case, no downgrade for Sealed Jirou or...?

 

[Tivanenk]

The large planet level gap is extremely large so sealed jirou, the neo pieces and the 8 kings can all fit there so thats not an issue. Sealing jirou with his grand knowing stopped the rotation of the entire planet that is a large planet level feat so i dont see any reason to downgrade him as for the knocking time i agree it doesnt actually freeze time its just knocking.

It is large, but they're hanging around on pretty much the very low end of Large Planet. If the best Unsealed Jirou can do is destroy Toriko planet, then that is what, like 3-4 Yottatons calced or so? If he's even half that in Sealed Form, he's drop to planet.

Also, the rotation of the planet was calced to be in the planet level, I think at the higher end of it, but only planet level.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

The large planet level gap is extremely large so sealed jirou, the neo pieces and the 8 kings can all fit there so thats not an issue. Sealing jirou with his grand knowing stopped the rotation of the entire planet that is a large planet level feat so i dont see any reason to downgrade him as for the knocking time i agree it doesnt actually freeze time its just knocking.

It is large, but they're hanging around on pretty much the very low end of Large Planet. If the best Unsealed Jirou can do is destroy Toriko planet, then that is what, like 3-4 Yottatons calced or so? If he's even half that in Sealed Form, he's drop to planet.

I dont see a problem with sealed jirou being on that level i think its being made abundantly clear that the top tiers can easily destroy the planet if they want to so they are into the large planet range to what degree though is unknown but they clearly are above just regular large plane level.

 

[Tivanenk]

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The top tiers can. But Jirou when sealed isn't quite a top tier. He would lose against the 8 Kings, NEO, Midora, etc. quite there.

Face it. There's no way to scale Jirou to large planet, no feats for large planet (I checked and the NEO piece was compared to the rotation of a giant planet, which is planet level like Grand Knocking), and even no statements for large planet (Joa didn't state whether it was Sealed or Unsealed Jirou. So then we would only have assumptions to go off, which is not the best way. Sealed Jirou is stuck in this situation where he's weaker than the Large Planet Level-ers, but stronger than the rest.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Well we know one thing. Jirou in his half state is able to contend with the Royal Nitros. I don't ever seem to recall Jirou fighting them in his sealed state before he started to unseal them.....i think??

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Jirou stopped the rotation of the entire planet thats a large planet level feat, i think there was a calc for it on the obd would have to look for it (but if i remember correctly the energy needed to stop a planets rotation is like 10x what is needed to destroy it but i could be wrong). And yea the neo piece was compared to giant planet a giant planet sounds like a big planet like the toriko earth than just a a normal planet to me.

 

[Tivanenk]

Jirou stopped the rotation of the entire planet thats a large planet level feat, i think there was a calc for it on the obd would have to look for it (but if i remember correctly the energy needed to stop a planets rotation is like 10x what is needed to destroy but i could be wrong). And yea the neo piece was compared to giant planet a giant planet sounds like a big planet like the toriko earth than just a a normal planet to me.

No? Not only does that sound completely wrong, but it was already calced on T5 forums to be a couple hundred zettatons, which is on the higher end of planet level.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Well the current calc from T5forums for the rotation of Toriko's Planet is like 300 somehting Zetta's. That one is like Planet level+ over there and it scales to Jirous (casually) grand knocking apparently.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Jirou stopped the rotation of the entire planet thats a large planet level feat, i think there was a calc for it on the obd would have to look for it (but if i remember correctly the energy needed to stop a planets rotation is like 10x what is needed to destroy but i could be wrong). And yea the neo piece was compared to giant planet a giant planet sounds like a big planet like the toriko earth than just a a normal planet to me.

No? Not only does that sound completely wrong, but it was already calced on T5 forums to be a couple hundred zettatons, which is on the higher end of planet level.

Then i stand corrected, if its planet+ then we can downgrade him to that the

 

[Tivanenk]

Yes, planet+ does sound good. Though, if you want, we can hear an opinion from Sheoth or someone else.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Yes, planet+ does sound good. Though, if you want, we can hear an opinion from Sheoth or someone else.

Yea we should wait for more input

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Yes, planet+ does sound good. Though, if you want, we can hear an opinion from Sheoth or someone else.

Nah it's going to be too boring to wait for him. Then again, he can shed some light on this matter too on the other hand.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

What Tivanenk says sounds reasonable.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

Nah it's going to be too boring to wait for him. Then again, he can shed some light on this matter too on the other hand.

When are we gonna upgrade Zebra, Sunny and Toriko? I've been waiting for a month now :|

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Alright, let's recap this:

-So Sealed Jirou may not be what Joa was refered to when he said that Acacia's disciples can destroy the World. So we downgrade him back to where he scaled him to his casual knocking feat, probably maybe add his feat to punching that piece of NEO into space? Hmm, alright

-Knocking Time actually doesn't affect time in the slightest at all, so that's taken care of and deleted.

Anything else?

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Nah it's going to be too boring to wait for him. Then again, he can shed some light on this matter too on the other hand.

When are we gonna upgrade Zebra, Sunny and Toriko? I've been waiting for a month now :|
To what Tier exactly?

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

^At least regular planet level (5-B) with Appetite Demon

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

For Sunny and Zebra, i'll try to that i think. Toriko i'm not sure since i kind of added in the fact on his AP that he and Starjun were able to make Guiness dodge their attack...

 

[Tivanenk]

I'm not sure, but was Joa scaled off Sealed Jirou? In that case, Joa needs to go down to planet+ (we can't scale her AP/durability Midora, it was quite clear that he was many times superior)

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Don't think so? Cause right now, Joa is fighting Midora AFAIK/

 

[Tivanenk]

Don't think so? Cause right now, Joa is fighting Midora AFAIK/

Joa was easily killed by Midora 8 times over a very short span, resorted to Food Luck to dodge his attacks, and in the end, had to seal him instead of killing him.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Oh yeah, that moment. Yeah i remember now. *Nods*

Hmm.

 

[Tivanenk]

Yeah, Joa had to abuse Life Orbs, Food Luck, and Gold Can to stand a chance against Midora.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Mmmhmm, definitely remember what Midora did. Wasn't that a casual feat cause that makes it even worse for Joa to be downgraded? Not a problem for me but still, wanted to say that out here.

 

[Tivanenk]

Yeah, it was fairly casual feat for Midora, the one where he broke 8 life orbs. Joa didn't even see him.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Off topic but Joa should have probability manipulation via her food luck since she manage to magically avoid all of midora attack without doing anything.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Mmmhmm, definitely remember what Midora did. Wasn't that a casual feat cause that makes it even worse for Joa to be downgraded? Not a problem for me but still, wanted to say that out here.

Well Joa have some trouble to fight sealed jirou(which is still large planet level) and midora is supposed to be stronger than even 100% unsealed jirou

 

[Sheoth]

Tivanenk's downgrade for sealed Jirou sounds fair. After all, he is at the bottom of the list of top tiers. Though, we do have parts that hint at sealed Jirou being large planet level, such as him being warned to not let his Big Bang hit the earth, and him saying that fighting the blue nitro would get the planet destroyed. I think we could label sealed Jirou as planet level+, possibly large planet level.

And as for the Kings, I think at this point it is safe to list them as low 5-B normally, 5-B with their appetite demons.

 

[Tivanenk]

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But we pretty much are agreeing here that Sealed Jirou is planet+, so if Joa had trouble against him, then Joa should be planet+ as well in stats.

 

[Tivanenk]

Yeah, possibly large planet sounds fair, since he is still a top tier and there are some statements alluding to it.

So:

Jirou: Planet+, possibly Large Planet

Joa: Planet+, possibly Large Planet

Sounds good?

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Tivanenk's downgrade for sealed Jirou sounds fair. After all, he is at the bottom of the list of top tiers. Though, we do have parts that hint at sealed Jirou being large planet level, such as him being warned to not let his Big Bang hit the earth, and him saying that fighting the blue nitro would get the planet destroyed. I think we could label sealed Jirou as planet level+, possibly large planet level.
And as for the Kings, I think at this point it is safe to list them as low 5-B normally, 5-B with their appetite demons.

Alright, thanks for that yeah.

You or i can make the appropriate adjustment for Jirou. Me i'm somewhat applying the upgrades for the Heavenly Kings now.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Lol I didn't even read about sealed Jirou downgrade to planet level.. But by feats alone yeah..but for joa her DC should still be large planet level since she can hurt midora.