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Yeah, his new power he got training in hell, he's referring to that.
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Jiren's resistance to Existance Erasure
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Didn't Whis say something about being more powerful than your opponent allows you to resist their hax or something?
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Maybe, I don't recall that.
But in this case we have Frieza saying, let me show you the true power of gold Frieza (which in the scene right before and after it talks about how he trained in hell and got a power boost and better ki control).
Him saying let me show you my true power isn't talking about some resistance power he just has, he's clearly talking about his new power boost he just got, which is immediately followed up by Him using his raw strength redirect it, which you can see him doing.
But in this case we have Frieza saying, let me show you the true power of gold Frieza (which in the scene right before and after it talks about how he trained in hell and got a power boost and better ki control).
Him saying let me show you my true power isn't talking about some resistance power he just has, he's clearly talking about his new power boost he just got, which is immediately followed up by Him using his raw strength redirect it, which you can see him doing.
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Well considering all attacks are ki based, it would make sense, that having significantly greater ki would overwhelm someone's hax.
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One of the main reasons I support this is because of Whis saying that Jiren is the mortal that "not even a GoD can defeat".
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That could also just mean he'd beat them before they could do it.TheHadouCyberspaceWitch said:
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So should we close this?.
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I think there is some mad confusion about using Existence Erasure with two different techniques like Sidra's Energy of Destruction and Hakai.
It's very obvious both are different techniques. Hakai erases an individual existence right on the spot. Unlike Sidra's Energy Of Destruction which takes time to destroy a being on the spot.
It's very obvious both are different techniques. Hakai erases an individual existence right on the spot. Unlike Sidra's Energy Of Destruction which takes time to destroy a being on the spot.
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If Frieza and Goku can stop themselves from being erased by hakai and even contain the hakai. Jiren who is stated to be powerful enough that a god of destruction can't defeat him should be able to do the same thing.
Hakai isn't as hax as people thought it was, it just seems to be a more powerful ki technique.
Hakai isn't as hax as people thought it was, it just seems to be a more powerful ki technique.
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Or, just Goku and Frieza can resist it due to a random resistance, while Jiren has not proven to be able to do so.Ja Ma said:
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Dragon you changed your Avatar again?? ovo
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Yup. ovo
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Wasn't random, both characters stopped the hakai and Jiren is more powerful than both of them.Dragonmasterxyz said:
Also, there's a reason why you've never seen a god of destruction use hakai against an actual powerful character. They use it against weaklings, more powerful characters can resist it.
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Goku and Freeza directly resist existance erasure, therefore they have resistance to existence erasure.
Jiren had not resisted existence erasure, nor has he been stated to be able to resist it, therfore he doesn't have existence erasure (as far as we know).
How is this a hard concept to grasp?
Jiren had not resisted existence erasure, nor has he been stated to be able to resist it, therfore he doesn't have existence erasure (as far as we know).
How is this a hard concept to grasp?
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"Wasn't random, both characters stopped the hakai and Jiren is more powerful than both of them. "
They resisted it, and therefore got the resistance. Simple as that. Happens a lot in fiction.
"Also, there's a reason why you've never seen a god of destruction use hakai against an actual powerful character. They use it against weaklings, more powerful characters can resist it."
That does not mean that whatsoever. Show me one time a God of Destruction has fought someone on their level seriously with the intent to kill.
They resisted it, and therefore got the resistance. Simple as that. Happens a lot in fiction.
"Also, there's a reason why you've never seen a god of destruction use hakai against an actual powerful character. They use it against weaklings, more powerful characters can resist it."
That does not mean that whatsoever. Show me one time a God of Destruction has fought someone on their level seriously with the intent to kill.
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No we cannot speculate that. It has never been shown. So unless shown otherwise, not we cannot say that.
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just like we can't say Goku is a planet buster because we've never see him do so.
You believe Golden Frieza and base goku can resist hakai with no extra techniques just because yet a character who is actually as powerful as the gods and can't be defeated by one can't resist hakai. what?
You believe Golden Frieza and base goku can resist hakai with no extra techniques just because yet a character who is actually as powerful as the gods and can't be defeated by one can't resist hakai. what?
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Yet we have seen the characters he fights do so and have sources backing it. You have an issue, make a CRT.
Did I stutter? It happens a lot in fiction. Dragon Ball is no different. Just because you are stronger than someone who can resist an ability =/= you yourself can resist it. That's not how resistances work.
Did I stutter? It happens a lot in fiction. Dragon Ball is no different. Just because you are stronger than someone who can resist an ability =/= you yourself can resist it. That's not how resistances work.
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Candy Beam, time stopping, body swapping Piccolo when?
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Let me say what I've alreadyvsaud again.
But in this case we have Frieza saying, let me show you the true power of gold Frieza (which in the scene right before and after it talks about how he trained in hell and got a power boost and better ki control).
Him saying let me show you my true power isn't talking about some resistance power he just has, he's clearly talking about his new power boost he just got, which is immediately followed up by Him using his raw strength redirect it, which you can see him doing.
Frieza himself says so.
But in this case we have Frieza saying, let me show you the true power of gold Frieza (which in the scene right before and after it talks about how he trained in hell and got a power boost and better ki control).
Him saying let me show you my true power isn't talking about some resistance power he just has, he's clearly talking about his new power boost he just got, which is immediately followed up by Him using his raw strength redirect it, which you can see him doing.
Frieza himself says so.
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Not quite, there's still things to be said.
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There hasn't been a conclusion yet.
The only argument I've really gotten was just because or plot (in which cause why is it on Frueza and Goku's profile of its PIS?, it should be removed if thats the argument).
But in this instance it doesn't work, Frieza, the one who did the feat basically says it's due to his new power boost.
Then when Goku does it, struggles and need help, Beerus questions why he doesnt just power up.
The context of the scene, including the one who did the feat, is because of raw power (which is visibly shown when he uses raw strength to crush and redirect the energy). There's actually far more reason to assume this then just because.
The only argument I've really gotten was just because or plot (in which cause why is it on Frueza and Goku's profile of its PIS?, it should be removed if thats the argument).
But in this instance it doesn't work, Frieza, the one who did the feat basically says it's due to his new power boost.
Then when Goku does it, struggles and need help, Beerus questions why he doesnt just power up.
The context of the scene, including the one who did the feat, is because of raw power (which is visibly shown when he uses raw strength to crush and redirect the energy). There's actually far more reason to assume this then just because.
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This wasn't hakai though.
Hakai is hax as shit, its never failed so we can't really say, hey, it can be negged, Sidra even erased a city from existence, but this isnt hakai.
This can be resisted as destruction energy=/=hakai apparently.
Hakai is hax as shit, its never failed so we can't really say, hey, it can be negged, Sidra even erased a city from existence, but this isnt hakai.
This can be resisted as destruction energy=/=hakai apparently.
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Hakai has only been used on Zamasu and a city full of normal civilians, so that statement is baseless. We don't go by the manga continuity. :^)
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I'm assuming you're talking to Ja Ma.
(In the manga it obviously can anyway, took out half of zammasus body).
But this isn't hakai.
(In the manga it obviously can anyway, took out half of zammasus body).
But this isn't hakai.
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It is to the anime.
