Is This Profile Allowed?

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Vocaloid is primarily a music making software, but it does have Manga and Video Games. I have concerns is Hatsune Miku might count as a corporate marketing icon like Ronald McDonald or something since it serves to market products. At least, to the extent of my knowledge regarding it.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, if you think that it is best that we delete the Vocaloid pages, for consistency's sake, I suppose that you could do so. How many pages are we talking about here?

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

I'll see what others think first before any deletion is started. There are only 5 pages and a verse page, though.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Hatsune Miku herself is kinda in a lot of stuff, tho. She's in Persona 4: Dancing All Night and Super Robot Wars.

 

[Antvasima]

Hmm. Perhaps we could make an exception due to sheer notability then?

 

[LeopoldTheBrave]

I still think Gorillaz count along side Vocaloid and should both stay. They're practically the same thing. The ONLY difference is that the Gorillaz have real voices behind them instead of synthetically generated ones. Gorillaz even perform live on stage as holograms just like Vocaloiid, in fact, Gorillaz are the ones that started the hologram thing and used it first. They're very well known icons around the world as well. They likely don't appear in much other media though as their whole atmosphere is vastly darker than Vocaloid. But with a consistent coherent story told across music videos, animated shorts, and scripted and animated interviews starring the 4 characters of the band only and NOT the 2 irl guys actually behind the band, they should definitely be allowed. Especially now that they have an animated TV series coming.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Well, the difference is that Vocaloid has plenty of games, actual manga with plot, and Miku appears in a bunch of stuff.

But if they are literally going to get a cartoon, I'm okay with it.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

So wait...does this mean i have permission to add SPG...?

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

So wait...does this mean i have permission to add SPG...?

I believe so.

 

[Antvasima]

SPG?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Steam Powered Giraffe, the verse i asked about adding

 

[VenomElite]

Given this wiki has 11k profiles, I really wonder if that rule is strictly followed

Think about it. It's 11K pages, not profiles. We have hundreds of pages dedicated to powers and abilities, standard formats, various management pages, rule pages, etc.

The rule is strictly enforced even still.

 

[Antvasima]

@WeeklyBattles

Well, it depends on if they are featured in actual storylines, or if somebody just made up a backstory, and then let the characters sing in regular music videos.

I am sorry, but it isn't good for the wiki if we start to become far too lenient with our regulations, as people will gradually start to demand ever increasing amounts of it, going by my experience.

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Ant

With all due respect, I'm not a fan of the usage of the slippery slope argument. Things you typically say would cause great demands end up causing no controversy at all.

 

[VenomElite]

Considering how tired we generally are when dealing with things repeatedly, I wouldn't blame anyone for believing that it would cause some form of controversy in the long run. Especially since Ant speaks from experience.

I don't see a problem with such a profile, but Matthew and I have had conversations with the same people over and over again about certain profiles that aren't allowed. Therefore, I think it's only those handful of individual who would try to find a way around the rule.

If a rule is not detailed well enough, of course this will happen. What do we define as "notable and popular works"? Nothing on the wiki tells us, so obviously if someone finds something with an established continuity, that isn't religion or a youtube personality, or anything of that nature, it technically is allowed anyway.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Ant Yes they are featured in actual storylines

 

[Antvasima]

@WeeklyBattles

Well, I suppose that it should be fine then.

It is just that unlike most of the rest of the staff, I read virtually ALL content revision threads, even if I do not always have anything to add, and these types of slippery slope demands tend to pop up quite frequently.