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Iruna Major Addition: Darkness Attributes and Concept type

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Today is the day that some major information about darkness is introduced.

Without further ado, and to keep the evaluation process as efficient as possible for the staff, I'll get straight to the point.

(Types 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9)

Sianas true form is the primordial Darkness that existed long before the formation of the world. The destruction of her manifested body does not constitute true death, as she can continue existing as the will of Darkness itself. She is not bound by the Dark Domain that governs the cycle of life, death, and reincarnation. Through the use of Dark Crystals, fragments of her own essence, she can infect and inhabit other beings, extending her soul and spirit into new vessels should her current one be destroyed. As a collective existence formed from multiple wills of Darkness, she can transfer her consciousness between hosts and manifestations. Even if sealed or physically destroyed, she is capable of persisting as a spiritual presence within the world. As long as Darkness itself continues to exist, Sianas can eventually resurrect and return. Exist within The Gap a void of nothingness that exist in a different plane of existence than Iruna as will of darkness, As Darkness is tied to the primordial dark world of swirling chaos that existed before boundaries and reality were established, her true form exists independently of the created world.
(Type 2; Aspect Type 1, 2, 3, 4, 5)

Darkness is the primordial void that existed before all creation and before the distinctions that structure reality. Because it precedes the framework through which existence and nonexistence are defined, it cannot be properly categorized as either in the conventional sense. It is not governed by the principles that apply to created beings, including life and death, and possesses neither a conventional soul nor spirit. Rather than an ordinary existence, it is a primordial state that remains independent of the world and the systems that emerged from it.

A Comprehensive Explanation of Darkness​


Oh boy this would be a long and a lot of wording.

Refer to this CRT:
Darkness and The Gap
Darkness and Sianas

First oh first, the Gods of Iruna, mainly called Twelve Gods Of Iruna is suck ass (except Specia and Dunkelis both goated), they literally is like the Greek gods toying with humanity like playing a sandbox, they want to be prayed upon but rarely give them shit, they argue that the act of bringing them to existence is enough lmao.

Enough chatting though that's not the reason this CRT is created.

The world of Iruna as we know it (Me) is created by the twelve gods by basically using their divine power to brought upon reality as what the game itself describe.

◆Almas, God of Heaven
 ▷Cynthia, Goddess of Moon
 ▷Edmund, God of Sun
◆Dunkelis, Goddess of Darkness
 ▷Varcene, God of Rebirth
◆Oritius, God of War
 ▷Grecia, Goddess of Courage
◆Obligaus, God of Justice
 ▷?
◆Sofys, Goddess of Wisdom
 ▷?
◆Freedos, God of Freedom
 ▷Felinike, Goddess of Luck
◆Veltria, Goddes of Mercy
 ▷Pulis, Goddess of Affection
 ▷Ange, Goddess of Idolization
◆Eldas, God of Earth
 ▷Ideaus, God of Realization
◆Flammel, God of Fire
 ▷?
◆Stormia, Goddess of Wind
 ▷Navie, Goddess of Voyage
◆Vasaria, Goddess of Water
 ▷?
◆Specia, Goddess of Species
 ▷Rupota, Goddess of Gate
 ▷Rumina, Goddes of Key

That's the gods and vice gods that was presented and acknowledged throughout the game, the main gods is the one that created the world, alongside them is the vice gods that helped them created it.
As stated before, the gods created Iruna with their divine power which embodies a multiple concepts, this concepts is the one that shaped and give function to the world to exist.

But before it, what is world?, what's their initial form is? The existence?.

Well it's stated as:
(“It won’t stop…! At this rate, the world will become riddled with holes connecting to other dimensions, and in the end it will return to a dark world of swirling chaos with no boundaries or anything left.”)

It implies that Iruna’s current structured reality is not truly stable in an absolute sense, but rather a layered order imposed over a deeper, underlying primordial state. Beneath everything lies a fundamental chaos—described as a “dark world of swirling chaos with no boundaries”—where distinctions like space, dimensions, and separation do not properly exist. If the world’s structure collapses, reality would revert back to that original formless condition, meaning the current order is essentially a maintained system holding back an older, more primitive cosmological state.

By which gods carved with their divine power (this will be discussed in concept sections).
The Twelve Gods represent and embodies twelve fundamental concepts that underlies all of reality, in which concepts is treated as the source of definition and blueprint for everything inside of reality as blueprints.

Example:

Eldas stated that:
"And you, you will feel the crushing weight of the earth, on which all is built, on which the very sky rests!."

Earth is being portrayed not as a literal natural element (soil/rock), but as the fundamental base layer of existence upon which all structures and phenomena are supported. It represents stability, grounding, and the underlying substrate that sustains reality itself, including higher domains such as “the sky.”

In other words, Earth here functions as a foundational principle of existence, emphasizing immovability and absolute support rather than simple physical matter.

Then Vasaria stated:
"And I'm very excited to have this opportunity to spar with you. Water is adaptable. It changes shape to fit that which is around it. It fills every gap, every hole."

Water is portrayed as the embodiment of adaptability and fluid conformity. It possesses the capacity to alter its form in response to external conditions, seamlessly adjusting to any surrounding structure. Its defining trait is its ability to occupy and fill all available space, including gaps, voids, and irregularities, without resistance.

In other words, Water represents a state of existence characterized by maximum environmental compatibility and flexible form-shifting behavior, allowing it to persist and integrate within any context by adapting rather than opposing.

Lastly is Stormia:
"Wind is not merely that which blows idly over all creation. No, wind gusts and squalls, blowing in walls, and blowing off roofs."

Wind is explicitly defined as not a trivial or passive phenomenon within creation, rejecting the notion that it merely drifts idly through existence. Instead, it is established as a fundamental force of motion and atmospheric pressure.

It manifests through gusts and squalls with sufficient intensity to generate large-scale environmental disruption, including the displacement or destruction of solid structures such as walls and roofs. This portrays Wind as a violent, high-energy dynamic force, capable of directly altering and restructuring its surroundings through sustained or abrupt pressure-driven movement.

Conclusion (short)

Water, Wind, and Earth are being asserted as fundamental existential principles of reality itself: Water embodies total adaptability and form-conformity, Wind represents violent and world-altering force through pressure and motion, while Earth functions as the absolute foundational substrate upon which all existence is constructed and sustained.

However, one may find these statements as just some quotes about the world that has nothing to do with concepts or metaphysical thing.

Tbh, yes it is at first I also thought that this is nothing but blabbering to the Adventurer.

But then after I play Toram and find other things it start to make sense

It's stated that the gods power is essential to shape the world, and their "death" would lead to the destruction of the world.

The 5 construction gods, is responsible for literally creating and forming the world then giving shape to it.

From the gods’ own statements, they did not merely control the elements, but the fundamental definitions that allow those elements to exist, forming the forces from which the world derives its shape.

Like Navie the goddess of voyage vice gods of wind who embody and manipulate "voyage" so an ark can keep flying even under impossible situation.

There's also multiple lesser concept that exist, such as:
-“So it’s something like a Pillar of Memory?”
“You touched this pillar and saw the concept of this land.”
-Description
Deploys a conceptual graveyard to prepare for necromancy.

Let's get to the main point, when the world was in primordial boundaryless, void, and chaos state where everything was still undifferentiated (Space, time, concepts, laws, and etc), the gods then use their power to make it stable, and thus born what's known as "Nothingness (“Wander through the world of nothingness that continues eternally.").

Now what makes it different than the one before creation?.

It's stated by Sianas that prior to physical reality is formed, there exist a force called positive and negative energy, which is NOT the same as Positive Emotion and etc, this is the two principle that exist independently from the reality it governs (Iruna multiverse and everything part of it), why?, stated here that their actions of creation is doing an imbalance to the world because they used too much positive energy:

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Which means that the creation of reality by the gods and even the actions of the Adventurer are both stated to contribute to the imbalance between Positive and Negative Energy. This suggests that all actions within reality participate in and are subject to these primordial principles, rather than the principles being dependent upon those actions.

The hierarchy become like this for easier interpretation:
Positive Energy / Negative Energy
(Primordial Principles)

↓ participate in / derive from

Light / Darkness
(Existence / Non-Existence)

↓ give rise to

Chaos
(The boundaryless primordial state reality returns to upon collapse)
[Placement somewhat uncertain]



Twelve Fundamental Concepts
(Heaven, Darkness, War, Justice, Wisdom,
Freedom, Mercy, Earth, Fire, Wind, Water, Species)



Derived/Lesser Concepts
(Moon, Sun, Rebirth, Courage, Luck,
Affection, Idolization, Realization,
Voyage, Gate, Key, etc.)



World-Forming Functions
(Life, Justice, Mercy, Species, Earth,
Wind, Water, etc.)



Iruna / Reality / Creation



Individual Objects, Beings, Phenomena

If he had not been there, by now Iruna might have had everything reduced to nothingness by Keltoi’s power.

So basically, Iruna’s whole reality is built and held together by the Twelve Gods, but not in a simple “they created the world” way. It’s more like they represent and govern the actual concepts that define how reality works in the first place. Things like Earth, Wind, Water, Mercy, Voyage, and all those aren’t just elements or ideas — they function as the underlying rules everything in the world is participating in. That’s why everything in Iruna kind of “follows” those concepts rather than existing independently from them.

Before Iruna existed, the setting wasn’t just an empty void either — it’s described more like a chaotic, undifferentiated state where nothing was properly separated or defined yet. No proper space, no structured time, no fixed laws. Then the gods basically imposed order onto that through creation, using deeper foundational forces like Positive and Negative Energy. These aren’t emotions or symbolic ideas either — they behave more like primordial principles that even creation itself has to operate under. Even actions inside the world, like what the Adventurer does, can affect that balance, which suggests everything is still participating in those deeper rules.

So overall, Iruna is basically a layered system: you’ve got primordial principles at the base, then existence gets split into Light and Darkness, then deeper collapse states like Chaos appear when things break down, and above all of that are the Twelve Concepts that actually shape how the world functions day to day. Everything in the world sits on top of that structure, while Chaos is more like what you fall back into when that whole structure stops holding together.

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Idk this old ahh game:
 
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It's stated that the gods power is essential to shape the world, and their "death" would lead to the destruction of the world.

The 5 construction gods, is responsible for literally creating and forming the world then giving shape to it.

From the gods’ own statements, they did not merely control the elements, but the fundamental definitions that allow those elements to exist, forming the forces from which the world derives its shape.

Like Navie the goddess of voyage vice gods of wind who embody and manipulate "voyage" so an ark can keep flying even under impossible situation.
This needs bit more information, because simply saying essential and without them world cease to exist is too vague. Like you can have any other metaphysical aspects that shapes world with their power and essential to exist(plot, information).

But i see with these scans
It can be what you are aiming for. I am neutral for concept stuff. So i will ask more context before saying "It seems they are just laws"

NEP, AE, Incorpeality and Immortality make sense.
 
This needs bit more information, because simply saying essential and without them world cease to exist is too vague. Like you can have any other metaphysical aspects that shapes world with their power and essential to exist(plot, information).

But i see with these scans

It can be what you are aiming for. I am neutral for concept stuff. So i will ask more context before saying "It seems they are just laws"

NEP, AE, Incorpeality and Immortality make sense.
Finally some attraction! But yes I will gather scan and provide for some argument first!
 
NEP, AE, Incorpeality and Immortality make sense.
So for NEP, because they're nothingness (act as type 1 nature) preceding and beyond the distinction that is Existence and Non-Existence that was later defined by creation.

Could they be Type 2? (The full explanation on the Darkness and Chaos).
 
So for NEP, because they're nothingness (act as type 1 nature) preceding and beyond the distinction that is Existence and Non-Existence that was later defined by creation.

Could they be Type 2? (The full explanation on the Darkness and Chaos).
I have problems with opening some scans cuz images ain't loadin for me

But let's say explanation is this basically

So basically, Iruna’s whole reality is built and held together by the Twelve Gods, but not in a simple “they created the world” way. It’s more like they represent and govern the actual concepts that define how reality works in the first place. Things like Earth, Wind, Water, Mercy, Voyage, and all those aren’t just elements or ideas — they function as the underlying rules everything in the world is participating in. That’s why everything in Iruna kind of “follows” those concepts rather than existing independently from them.

Before Iruna existed, the setting wasn’t just an empty void either — it’s described more like a chaotic, undifferentiated state where nothing was properly separated or defined yet. No proper space, no structured time, no fixed laws. Then the gods basically imposed order onto that through creation, using deeper foundational forces like Positive and Negative Energy. These aren’t emotions or symbolic ideas either — they behave more like primordial principles that even creation itself has to operate under. Even actions inside the world, like what the Adventurer does, can affect that balance, which suggests everything is still participating in those deeper rules.

So overall, Iruna is basically a layered system: you’ve got primordial principles at the base, then existence gets split into Light and Darkness, then deeper collapse states like Chaos appear when things break down, and above all of that are the Twelve Concepts that actually shape how the world functions day to day. Everything in the world sits on top of that structure, while Chaos is more like what you fall back into when that whole structure stops holding together.

If I understand it correctly, Darkness idea of Nothingness(NEP 1) and Chaos is nothingness existed before darkness and light? If this is context(again assuming i couldn't view scans fully) NEP 2 is fine. If Darkness is js some void and chaos is void that is above darkness i think it would be js layer into NEP 1
 
I have problems with opening some scans cuz images ain't loadin for me

But let's say explanation is this basically



If I understand it correctly, Darkness idea of Nothingness(NEP 1) and Chaos is nothingness existed before darkness and light? If this is context(again assuming i couldn't view scans fully) NEP 2 is fine. If Darkness is js some void and chaos is void that is above darkness i think it would be js layer into NEP 1
Yeah, basically. Chaos is implied to exist before the distinction of Darkness and Light. The NEP 2 argument comes from it predating the framework/concepts themselves, not just being a higher layer of void above Darkness. If it was only a void above Darkness, then it would just be NEP 1 with layers.
 
@HakutoRei000 if Darkness is concept of darkness and chaos is nothingness that exist outside of it, NEP 2 is fine.
Alright then!, just hoping some staff would come by, what you think about the concept tho? (Gods etc) If you want maybe you could give me something to add for it to fully become "Concept"🙏
 
Okay

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There are more but need to be uploaded first🙏, also if you can't open it I have the copy pasted version of it.
This is not how you present scans 😭

First scan is sus to them being universals. I would ask context though . Second part of scans imply power of whatever love controlling all love though, but without further elaboration it obv isn't concept

Are these powers or whatever essence or definition of world? But from what I read, not all of them equal(like space or whatever this already red flag for universals if we say powers = concepts)
 
This is not how you present scans 😭

First scan is sus to them being universals. I would ask context though . Second part of scans imply power of whatever love controlling all love though, but without further elaboration it obv isn't concept

Are these powers or whatever essence or definition of world? But from what I read, not all of them equal(like space or whatever this already red flag for universals if we say powers = concepts)
Sorry, first of all I just got the scans and didn't created the arguments obviously my bad.

As for others:



1. "First scan is sus to them being universals. I would ask context though."

The context is that they're trapped inside a space created by the Goddess herself (she literally warped reality to create it). The statement is referring to the influence exerted within that space, not the concept as a whole. She intentionally limits the amount of influence present there because otherwise it would disturb the world's equilibrium. In other words, the space was created through her conceptual authority, but its influence is restricted so it doesn't distort the wider world.



2. "Second part of scans imply power of whatever love controlling all love though, but without further elaboration it obv isn't concept."

The Golden Heart isn't just "love controlling love." It's essentially the physical manifestation of her divine authority, a conceptual medium through which that authority is expressed. It functions as a tool tied to her domain and can grant wishes through the power she possesses as the Goddess of Affection/Love. I also have additional scans elaborating on this if needed.



3. "Are these powers or whatever essence or definition of world?"

They're powers, but not in the sense of ordinary supernatural abilities. Their authority directly influences the world itself in the same way the gods' blessings do. Pulis doesn't merely use Love; she explicitly defines what Love is and even explains the different forms it can take. The fact that interference with these authorities can threaten the world's equilibrium further suggests they're tied to the underlying structure of reality rather than being isolated abilities.



4. "Not all of them equal (like space or whatever this already red flag for universals if we say powers = concepts)."

That's related to the first point. The limitation being discussed is specific to that artificially created space. She intentionally suppresses the scale of the influence there so it doesn't destabilize the world and potentially destroy its equilibrium. The statement isn't saying the domain itself is only local in scope; it's saying the influence being exerted through that particular space is deliberately restricted to avoid affecting the wider world.
 
Hello...👋
But from what I read, not all of them equal(like space or whatever this already red flag for universals if we say powers = concepts)
The powers aren't supposed to be the concepts themselves. They're manifestations of the domain the god embodies.
The Golden Heart is a good example of this, since it's explicitly treated as Pulis' power:
"If we can get a hold of that, we can get back the goddess's power and escape, right?"
So the Golden Heart isn't Love itself, but a manifestation of Pulis' authority as the Goddess of Affection/Love.
The same applies to the other gods. Their blessings, abilities, miracles, and other effects are manifestations of their respective domains rather than the domains themselves.
For the point being made, the argument isn't:
powers = concepts
but rather:
concept/domain → god embodies it → powers manifest from it.
Because of that, differences in the scale, scope, or application of their powers wouldn't necessarily be a red flag against the domains being conceptual in nature. The powers are simply expressions of the domain, not the domain itself.
 
Hello...👋

The powers aren't supposed to be the concepts themselves. They're manifestations of the domain the god embodies.
The Golden Heart is a good example of this, since it's explicitly treated as Pulis' power:

So the Golden Heart isn't Love itself, but a manifestation of Pulis' authority as the Goddess of Affection/Love.
The same applies to the other gods. Their blessings, abilities, miracles, and other effects are manifestations of their respective domains rather than the domains themselves.
For the point being made, the argument isn't:

but rather:

Because of that, differences in the scale, scope, or application of their powers wouldn't necessarily be a red flag against the domains being conceptual in nature. The powers are simply expressions of the domain, not the domain itself.
If this is true then it will be not conceptual manipulation but Abstract Existence for Concept
 
Sorry I meant what part
You are saying it is them essential for existence and not their powers

Let's say it is true. They are manipulating area with power comes from them

I said manipulation of only finite area is red flag for it being universal

You claimed this

The context is that they're trapped inside a space created by the Goddess herself (she literally warped reality to create it). The statement is referring to the influence exerted within that space, not the concept as a whole. She intentionally limits the amount of influence present there because otherwise it would disturb the world's equilibrium. In other words, the space was created through her conceptual authority, but its influence is restricted so it doesn't distort the wider world.
We need context and proof for this claim. Do they truly limit their powers otherwise it would disturb world's equilibrium?


It didn't read to me as "My power is so huge it might cause world's chaos" but rather character's power isn't huge enough to cause chaos. It is actually question to me what concept(if it is concept even) is this, if manipulation of it would cause disbalance.

I am open minded to hear context
 
You are saying it is them essential for existence and not their powers

Let's say it is true. They are manipulating area with power comes from them

I said manipulation of only finite area is red flag for it being universal

You claimed this


We need context and proof for this claim. Do they truly limit their powers otherwise it would disturb world's equilibrium?


It didn't read to me as "My power is so huge it might cause world's chaos" but rather character's power isn't huge enough to cause chaos. It is actually question to me what concept(if it is concept even) is this, if manipulation of it would cause disbalance.

I am open minded to hear context
Ah so need proof that they indeed limit themselves instead of it inherently limited? Sure
 
We need context and proof for this claim. Do they truly limit their powers otherwise it would disturb world's equilibrium?
Pulis After you taught her a lesson last time, I invited her to this space to make her an Evangelist Of Love....
PulisThat's right... Oh! But don't get me wrong! We're calling it a space, but it's small enough that it doesn't interfere with the world's equilibrium. It acts as a sort of support for those who depend on my power.
It didn't read to me as "My power is so huge it might cause world's chaos" but rather character's power isn't huge enough to cause chaos.
The Vice Gods are gods who aided the 12 Gods through their process of making the world.
Pulis The world you have made is interfering with Iruna. Do you really mean to say you don't know what will behappen if it continues to expand at this rate?

Ideaus.. Couldn't it be you're just afraid of losing the barrier between worlds? Her world is starting to disturb Iruna's world order... That's what you've come here thinking?
 
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