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[DemiiPowa]

The Iron Giant's Energy Cannon Feat:​

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A remastered and extended cut of the Iron Giant film, named the Signature Edition, was shown in one-off screenings across the United States and Canada on September 30, 2015, and October 4, 2015.

Ken Duncan, head of studio was interviewed about the new animation included in the signature edition of the film and made comments about the iron giant scene.

"I would love to, but all I can tell you is that there is a sequence between Dean and Annie, which is very short but adds an extra dimension to their characters. And there is another one involving the Iron Giant’s dream, where you find out some more information about the Giant. as well."

"Actually, there’s a bit of abstraction in the Iron Giant’s dream sequence, and I think Brad cool with that. But the one between Annie and Dean is kind of obvious, in terms of how it works into the story. But he tried to explain to us, as far as how it works from a character standpoint, and within the story itself."​

These statements not only confirm that the scene giant projected onto the TV was actual information that the giant remembered and knew, but that it was it's way of trying to explain his "story", even if it was abstract to a small extent.

Counterarguments​

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"Ken said that the dream had a bit of abstraction, so how do we know this isn't just a metaphor for him being dangerous or something."
The key words are "bit of abstraction", he's already said that the dream outright has information and that this is Giants way of relaying his story.

"Iron Giant himself is not that strong, it was a shared feat."
Yes, it indeed was.
The energy required to destroy the Earth w/ Violet fragmentation is 7.4727e+28 Joules (1.083e+27 cm3 * 69(J/cm3)
Even though the screen visibly shows about 13 giants, lets assume there's an army of at least 100 for a lower value anyways, and splitting it between 100 giants would be 7.4727e+26 Joules


With this being said, I think the Iron Giant's Attack Potency & Tier should be Upgraded to the following:

Tier:8-B, Likely High 6-A with Energy Cannon
City Block level (Able to vaporise a tank), Likely Multi Continent level with Energy Cannon (Should be as strong as the other giants, all of which together can destroy something similar to Earth)

Agree: 6
Oliver_de_jesus, Dalesean027, Demiipowa, Cropfist, Popted2, DarkDragonMedeus
Disagree: 1
Wokistan

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I agree with this

 

[Dalesean027]

This seems fine

 

[TheDarkOne]

Never thought I’d see the day where high 6-A iron giant might become a thing

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Impressive, this seems to far out due the tank vaporization feat. Looks alright.

 

[DemiiPowa]

Bump

 

[Cropfist]

i agree with this.

 

[Popted2]

agree with this

 

[DemiiPowa]

bump

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Wait why the heck would one Giants energy cannons scale to a feat that required very clearly several to perform?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Wait why the heck would one Giants energy cannons scale to a feat that required very clearly several to perform?

the feat is divided between 100 iron giants, plus there is the fact that they probably tanked the explosion

 

[Blackcurrant91]

the feat is divided between 100 iron giants, plus there is the fact that they probably tanked the explosion

So why would one giants cannons scale to the whole feat? we even see them clearly having to walk through the rubble of destroyed cities to actually life wipe. They could be 7-B and still destroy a whole world with 100 7-B's over time. We literally get no time frame for this feat being performed in the video.

 

[Wokistan]

I don't think a scene that's an in universe nightmare is exactly the pinnacle of reliability. Probably shouldn't use that dubious a source for anything at all, especially something so astronomically higher than currently demonstrated feats. You seem to be manipulating the director statement in a rather unintuitive way to try and claim that what he's saying is that it's only slightly not real, but it's really saying the opposite.

The first sentence is the one which says that the dream reveals some information about the giant. It is then followed up with "Actually, there's a bit of abstraction in the dream sequence," and then continues with the rest of the quote. If it was saying what you wanted it to be saying, the order here would be reversed. It'd be more like "despite there being some abstraction, this information is direct" as opposed to "It's conveying info, but in an abstract way." You just wouldn't phrase it like this if it was trying to convey what you want it to be conveying.

These statements do not confirm that this is real, literal information, they instead do the opposite in reinforcing that dreams are not literal things but they still convey the information about the giant's fears of causing calamity.

 

[DemiiPowa]

So why would one giants cannons scale to the whole feat? we even see them clearly having to walk through the rubble of destroyed cities to actually life wipe. They could be 7-B and still destroy a whole world with 100 7-B's over time. We literally get no time frame for this feat being performed in the video.

It's almost like the feat was divided amongst them for a reason and why would a time frame be needed for the destruction of a planet, this one in particular. You clearly see the beams coming out from the surface of the planet before it detonates, for this to be done overtime would take an unbelievable amount of mental gymnastics instead of taking the assumption with the least guesses that it was simply destroyed by multiple giants together whenever we see the chest canon go off

 

[DemiiPowa]

I don't think a scene that's an in universe nightmare is exactly the pinnacle of reliability. Probably shouldn't use that dubious a source for anything at all, especially something so astronomically higher than currently demonstrated feats. You seem to be manipulating the director statement in a rather unintuitive way to try and claim that what he's saying is that it's only slightly not real, but it's really saying the opposite.

The first sentence is the one which says that the dream reveals some information about the giant. It is then followed up with "Actually, there's a bit of abstraction in the dream sequence," and then continues with the rest of the quote. If it was saying what you wanted it to be saying, the order here would be reversed. It'd be more like "despite there being some abstraction, this information is direct" as opposed to "It's conveying info, but in an abstract way." You just wouldn't phrase it like this if it was trying to convey what you want it to be conveying.

These statements do not confirm that this is real, literal information, they instead do the opposite in reinforcing that dreams are not literal things but they still convey the information about the giant's fears of causing calamity.

It's not a dubious source, its a movie you buy from the store. If someone saw different versions of the movie, that doesn't take away that its still in the movie. It's not as if this is a comic or something obscure, it's a part of the main plot.

 

[Firestorm808]

Looking at the scene again, what is the rating for those blasts that took out the alien city?

We can probably do an at least possibly rating.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

It's almost like the feat was divided amongst them for a reason and why would a time frame be needed for the destruction of a planet, this one in particular.

Yeah except the way you worded it on his profile does not make that clear in the slightest. It's literally worded as if his cannons somehow scale to the entirety of the feat itself.

You clearly see the beams coming out from the surface of the planet before it detonates, for this to be done overtime would take an unbelievable amount of mental gymnastics instead of taking the assumption with the least guesses that it was simply destroyed by multiple giants together whenever we see the chest canon go off

The scene where we see beams coming out of the planet is literally followed by another scene of multiple robots scouring a planet. It literally makes infinitely less sense that the robots would even need to land on a planet to destroy it in the first place if they can just destroy it from afar.

 

[DemiiPowa]

Yeah except the way you worded it on his profile does not make that clear in the slightest. It's literally worded as if his cannons somehow scale to the entirety of the feat itself.

The scene where we see beams coming out of the planet is literally followed by another scene of multiple robots scouring a planet. It literally makes infinitely less sense that the robots would even need to land on a planet to destroy it in the first place if they can just destroy it from afar.

I'm not sure if you clicked on the wrong link or something, but the planet explosion happens at the very end of the clip (2:25), right before we see the chest canon (2:19).

What you saw was not the feat being calced

 

[DemiiPowa]

Looking at the scene again, what is the rating for those blasts that took out the alien city?

We can probably do an at least possibly rating.

A "possibly" rating would also be fine given the context of the feat

 

[Blackcurrant91]

I'm not sure if you clicked on the wrong link or something, but the planet explosion happens at the very end of the clip (2:25), right before we see the chest canon (2:19).

What you saw was not the feat being calced

regardless, it doesn't make sense that they would land if they can just nuke a planet from outside of it's atmosphere from that range as depicted.

 

[DemiiPowa]

regardless, it doesn't make sense that they would land if they can just nuke a planet from outside of it's atmosphere from that range as depicted.

It wasn't blown up from the atmosphere, the giants are on the surface of the planet