Invincible (Series) Speed Downgrade

[StoneKillerz12]

Currently, most of the TV cast of Invincible, specifically Mark himself and The Immortal, are scaled to Massively FTL+ due to Nolan's feat of travelling from Earth to Thraxa in approximately a month. For Nolan himself, this feat makes sense. However, there is a massive issue that Season 3 introduced that puts Mark scaling to this into heavy contention, that being this scene.

As is clearly evident here, Mark, while explicitly going as fast as he possible can, takes around 30 or so seconds to travel from Earth to the Moon, tired out and heavily breathing afterwards. To add onto this, Cecil afterwards flat out calls this feat "plenty fast", implying that it's one of Mark's fastest direct feats. The timeframe I got was around 27 seconds. Since Mark went to the moon and back, the distance is 768800 kilometers. Therefore, Mark's "plenty fast" top speeds which tire him out are 28,474,074.1 m/s, Sub-Relativistic+. This surprisingly is even more inconsistent with even earlier feats for Mark, when in Season 1 for example, his feat of ramming Allen into the moon is already at over 102,000,000 m/s.

This showing is possibly an anti-feat, however it clearly shows us that, in a narrative sense, Mark's top speed during Season 3 is being able to fly to the moon and back in just around 27 seconds. There's a clear problem here. At best, I would propose Mark's Post-Thraxa fight key's speed to be downgraded to "At least Relativistic due to explicit statements from Donald of Mark's speed and strength increasing."

Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Seems reasonable to likely consider the Massively FTL+ speed feat an outlier.

 

[Mr._Propeller_Hat]

This is a matter of a cinematic timing argument, I'm inclined to disagree with this

 

[KingTempest]

I'm fine with it. He's stated to be 65% faster than prior, meaning that he's 165% of his Season 2 self, who was struggling with Angstrom, and I highly doubt Angstrom's out there timing MFTL+ objects.

Cinematic timing only works to a point, but his speed in this scenario is canonically supposed to be timed. Idk who moves MFTL+ and says "I was slow". If Mark was MFTL+ he could circle earth thousands of times in a second.

Mark me as agree

 

[Chariot190]

It's an outlier, but in the same vain as Goku gets cut by a bullet.

Invincible has numerous MFTL to MFTL+ feats. From those comparable to Mark at this point like Allen.
This is a show exclusive scene as well, which while that doesn't mean anything by itself given this is the show canon, it is something to note, and when there's like a dozen cases of characters whipping out FTL to MFTL feats, whether directly lifted from the comic or even new ones (like Racer's gun quickly traveling millions of km and blowing up the sun (which will 100% be dodged pointblank multiple times zero diff)), this becomes a pretty self evidently inconsistent feat.

Worst part is it's only going to get more inconsistent because there's gonna be like 5 more MFTL feats come the next season.

But even ignoring the MFTL stuff, it isn't even consistent with some of the low end feats like Mark in season 1 has shown to be able to fly to the moon pretty quick like against Allen, and speaking of Allen, he flies across the galaxy multiple times at MFTL speeds, reacts to MFTL objects, and Mark scales to him, at one point even reacting to him flying in from deep space to warn him about Nolan.
Plus, Mark isn't a trillion times slower than Nolan at this point anyway.

You need to actually cross compare the feats, statements and what not to see if it's consistent. It isn't consistent, both before, and after it happens. Maybe if they throw like 5 more blatant anti-feats and gut the upcoming MFTL feats this would be worth considering.

 

[StoneKillerz12]

It's an outlier, but in the same vain as Goku gets cut by a bullet.

Invincible has numerous MFTL to MFTL+ feats. From those comparable to Mark at this point like Allen.
This is a show exclusive scene as well, which while that doesn't mean anything by itself given this is the show canon, it is something to note, and when there's like a dozen cases of characters whipping out FTL to MFTL feats, whether directly lifted from the comic or even new ones (like Racer's gun quickly traveling millions of km and blowing up the sun (which will 100% be dodged pointblank multiple times zero diff)), this becomes a pretty self evidently inconsistent feat.

Worst part is it's only going to get more inconsistent because there's gonna be like 5 more MFTL feats come the next season.

But even ignoring the MFTL stuff, it isn't even consistent with some of the low end feats like Mark in season 1 has shown to be able to fly to the moon pretty quick like against Allen, and speaking of Allen, he flies across the galaxy multiple times at MFTL speeds, reacts to MFTL objects, and Mark scales to him, at one point even reacting to him flying in from deep space to warn him about Nolan.
Plus, Mark isn't a trillion times slower than Nolan at this point anyway.

You need to actually cross compare the feats, statements and what not to see if it's consistent. It isn't consistent, both before, and after it happens. Maybe if they throw like 5 more blatant anti-feats and gut the upcoming MFTL feats this would be worth considering.

I should have specified more clearly, but this downgrade is specifially for the show, not the comics.

 

[Chariot190]

I should have specified more clearly, but this downgrade is specifially for the show, not the comics.

I'm well aware. The same applies in full. It's the equivalent of using Goku getting cut by a bullet to downgrade him to 9-B, even though before and after are filled with countless feats that eclipse it to such a degree that even if they were to do it like 5 more times, it wouldn't even be 100% solid. It just isn't accurate. You yourself acknowledge even stuff in season 1 makes it suspect, for basically the exact same feat but better, and then you gotta factor in the metric fuckton of feats above sub-rel and ask if it's consistent for them too because this isn't just competing with MFTL+ values but numerous feats between it and said MFTL, and then further still, the numerous MFTL feats because it isn't like Nolan's is the only one. Including such things as Mark straight up reacting to Allen flying in from deep space in a rush, and Allen himself even reacting and stopping quickly. Or how Mark isn't even remotely a trillion times below Nolan at this point, he's slower, but it isn't by a bunch, just marginally (as we will see in the Viltrum feat when that happens), and then you gotta factor in new show feats too that are randomly FTL, because there's quite a few.

This legit just doesn't work, it's not even consistent with the show's own new showings, it isn't even consistent with other feats where they give random timelimits for big distances so it isn't just a calc thing. Tbh idk what they were thinking, it's so low compared to even the most casual feats or even other explicit values it gives me "Speed of Sound Dyspo" vibes, for a dude who's MFTL+++.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Didn't Season 3 Mark scale at least somewhat to Conquest, who should scale to Nolan? I'm also pretty sure Cecil said something about Mark perhaps being able to handle Anissa as of Season 3. It seems to me that if he was trillions of times slower that would be an absurd statement. To clarify, adapting it to practical application, that would mean that for every metre Mark moves, Nolan and Conquest can move a trillion. That would mean that in the time Mark takes to throw one punch (half a metre), Nolan and Conquest can fly around the world (40,000,000 metres) several thousand times. This would make his fight against Conquest and ability to fight Anissa very infeasible.

 

[Thelastmlg]

does the show have evidence of their flying speed scaling to their general speed, i forgot, we got those to the comics sem recently but i don't recall the show having examples of that

i do recall the scene of allen dodging the viltrumite ship (ngl it looked like it was going slow but it could be cinematic thingie)

 

[Chariot190]

does the show have evidence of their flying speed scaling to their general speed, i forgot, we got those to the comics sem recently but i don't recall the show having examples of that

i do recall the scene of allen dodging the viltrumite ship (ngl it looked like it was going slow but it could be cinematic thingie)

Mark while standing still reacts to Allen flying in from deep space, Allen stops himself from crashing into him quickly while flying to earth, Allen at a standstill reacts to a MFTL+ ship flying up his ass, Allen and Anissa can both react to each other flying at each other, etc. There's a shit ton, it isn't like one or two things.


(Next season will have instances of them actively reacting to each other and doing actions while moving at explicitly top speed too).

 

[StarShooter80]

Mark me as disagree, the worst this really does is downgrade Mark's travel speed, he's more than capable of reacting to mftl+ characters charging at him. Heck even Immortal only has Mach 3 travel speed but mftl+ combat speed

 

[Saqphire]

Disagree FRA

 

[Thelastmlg]

yeah i think just downgrading mark's travel speed is fine, i'm pretty sure he doesn't have any travel feats of that level yet

did someone try to calc the smoke lifted from mark jumping off the moon, looks tier 6

 

[Chariot190]

yeah i think just downgrading mark's travel speed is fine, i'm pretty sure he doesn't have any travel feats of that level yet

did someone try to calc the smoke lifted from mark jumping off the moon, looks tier 6

Except that's wrong too. We've seen him keep up with MFTL dudes in travel speed as well, we've seen him reach the moon much quicker than shown there too so the feat gets voided by literally the same feat but better. Like the feat is just a outlier on all fronts, plus it wouldnt even make sense, Mark by that point has complete control of his flight speed for it to be a trillion times less than those hes comparable toward.

 

[Reiner04]

Disagree for chariots reasons.

 

[SlendVeny]

Yeah, disagree FRA

 

[FusionPrime0]

I disagree for Chariot's reasons as well

 

[Cropfist]

I disagree with this.

 

[Excellence616]

Disagree fra