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to be honest i will also have kissed my wife there in the funeral...man Ray is the only one who is not turned on, she is depressed.
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Invincible season 3 discussion
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She wanted rough sex right there, but she remembered that she was single now.
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I'm sorta conflicted, I think its a mix of rage power and that Mark and other Vils get angrier and start putting more behind their attacks. Mark was holding back given he doesn't want so much destruction and was looking to take out his anger. After Oliver comes and he gets hurt, Mark starts to try more and Conquest also asks him to show his rage which Mark headbutts him and whales on him which Conquest still felt unsatisfied with. We see Nolan become angrier with Mark back in S1 and either he starts hitting harder or anger makes vils un-restrict their attacks.
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General response to this mb.
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So basically they start holding back less or they put in so much power they hurt themselves like mark
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The beach scene I believe. Conquest doesn't fly him through the civilians in the comics.
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Remove it for TV Mark then ?
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for viltrumite heart he clearly means "where is your reasons to kill"like...viltrumites kill
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I’d like to, I never agree with the whole rage power stuff but that’s up to the majority
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I guess this is a standard superhero/anime trope where a character gets stronger from wounds and anger.
Mark could barely contain himself when innocent people were dying around him, and he was almost shaking with fear. I don't think he held back when his brother was beaten to a pulp.
Although, this would explain the events of the previous episode, where Mark begins to defeat the villains of maniacs only after they have harmed his beloved queen
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Yeah which I do believe qualifies for rage power.
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He literally says “show me your power! Show me your rage!” Like three second after that
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Um no it doesn’t, rage power would mean they literally get stronger the angrier they get. Conquest straight up says otherwise
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Rage power is for season 2 Mark. It was accepted cuz him "holding back" was a subconscious restraint against the Viltrumites. In his own view, he wasn't holding back, just too weak to engage in the fight until he got pissed over the slaughter of the Thraxans
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man fighted Thula and won, he could have killed her but he was still not wanting to
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What does Conquest say?
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That isn't Rage Power then tho ? Just "holding back"
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Right before mark bites a chunk out of him
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He can be wrong. Right after this Mark and him are going blow for blow and Conquest is trying now.
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In a sense, yes. But it didn't seem like it was out of a conscious effort. Mark implicitly didn't even think he had that much power in him
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His lived far longer and has way more experience with viltrumtes. There’s no reason to doubt him. And just like the rest of there fight the second conquest takes it up another notch mark gets overwhelmed. If eve didn’t intervene conquest would have choked mark out.
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That isn't really supporting evidence imo
Also, why are we arguing about S2 ? The clip used in his profile is S1
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At a surface level, the scene is directed as though it is textbook rage power
Look at the profile again
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No, it is simply him not holding back, which is why Nolan's advice talks about it
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Living longer doesn't matter, we see the Vils struggle with understanding emotions so its not surprising that this is something they'd dismiss. And each time Conquest went harder Mark usually got angrier and went harder. When Oliver gets beat up, Mark hits harder and Conquest acknowledges he's starting to warm up, when Eve seems dead Mark punch breaks his arm and starts going blow for blow with Conquest. I don't really care for rage power on page but Conquest saying getting mad doesn't make you stronger after literally having his arm destroyed by Mark being angry just seems like another way of demonstrating the Vils struggle with recognizing their emotions for what they are.
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The struggle with connecting and forming bounds. They have never struggled to feel rage, show it or understand it. Even conquest expected rage from mark from just being a Viltrumite
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And conquest still bullldozed him, despite playing with him and drawing out the fight and seeing mark give it his all conquest still thought rage boosts aren’t a thing kinda just further defeats the idea.The fact that mark had to break his arm to even do that gives further creedence for conquest statement.
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I'm saying understanding that their rage can make them powerful. Not saying they can't feel rage.
Mark breaking his own arm can show the amp is only in strength not dura.
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So the guy that’s lived for god knows how long has killed multiple viltrumtes during the culling somehow doesn’t know about this biological ability which every member of the species should have?
Stated otherwise. Plus it’s not like you can’t hit hard enough to do more damage while hurting yourself in the process. This an’t anything special
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Idk why you say this like it hasn't been a common trope in fiction for races/groups to overlook something about their people.
Yeah I don't fully disagree. Like I said I think its both rage power and Mark just holds back less and less.
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Logical dosen’t make any sense and is pretty much stated otherwise. Not really sure on how common of a trope this is supposed to be.
Just the later and know of the former but whatever we can just agree to disagree
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Rage power + supernatural willpower to power through the pain if you really wanna push it ig
Either way, Mark is keeping up with Conquest primarily through sheer skill and endurance
Either way, Mark is keeping up with Conquest primarily through sheer skill and endurance
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I think the "I am so lonely" quote should go for him.
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I'm gonna add his two quotes from near the end
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Powering through those kind of injuries is a feature of being a viltrumite, there's no Supernatural Willpower at play
Either that or give them all that ability lol
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It's the exact shit that Mark already has supernatural willpower for
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And he shouldn't, due to their physiology all viltrumites are capable of that, look at Lucan
Besides, there's a big Supernatural Willpower antifeat coming
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Yeah they all should have it.
Supernatural Willpower is the ability to exceed one's own limits through sheer willpower to a degree extremely far beyond real human standards.
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No, Mark can push through the pain, but he barely does any better. Yeah, he has an adrenaline rush, but it's not some rage boost that bumps up every stat. It's him fighting without inhibition, punching hard enough to break his own arm. His head is his best asset, as it's inexplicably stronger than the rest of his body. It's how he bloodied Conquest so early on in the fight. He would've died if it weren't for him literally using his head.
At best, he could get a note stating he can literally push his body past it's breaking point. This is endurance, not strength nor durability. Like others have said, this is a Viltrumite thing. We have MANY examples by the end of the series. Samples even, from one dude.
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