Invalid Invincible calc

[Tahoy49574]

I figured this would be a better place to ask since this calc is already accepted and featured in the Invincible-verse page

Invincible throwing half a meteorite was first calculated here. Then, a user found out the math was incorrect and re-calculated it here. Finally, a calc group member commented on how this calc also has issues. However some of those are issues that are carried from the very first calc that are now being pointed out, most importantly the timeframe which is supposedly unobtainable, and the user said that if that was the case it should be dismissed altogether, and since then, nothing.

This is pretty bad as besides Early Invincible it also affects other characters who scale and some have even gone to matches with that.

Any help on sorting this out ? Was this ever valid to begin with ?

Reference for how big the golem is compared to them:

 

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[Damage3245]

@TheRustyOne What do you think should be done here?

 

[Tahoy49574]

@TheRustyOne What do you think should be done here?

I already talked with him, he doesn't want anything to do with this

 

[TheRustyOne]

Yeah, I don't have any recollection of this calculation, and I cannot revaluate it right now.

I'll trust the other calc group members to make their own decision.

 

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[FusionPrime0]

Someone fixed the currently used calculation and it got accepted by a calc group member, so I propose we use that calculation with the fixed math until someone does a full recalc accounting for all the issues with the Golem, meteor size, and the timeframe. That way we will at least have a calculation that is mathematically correct even if it has issues, rather than a calc with issues and bad math. Or we just don't use the feat completely until someone does a proper recalc.

 

[Tahoy49574]

Someone fixed the currently used calculation and it got accepted by a calc group member, so I propose we use that calculation with the fixed math until someone does a full recalc accounting for all the issues with the Golem, meteor size, and the timeframe. That way we will at least have a calculation that is mathematically correct even if it has issues, rather than a calc with issues and bad math. Or we just don't use the feat completely until someone does a proper recalc.

Another user already recalculated it a while ago(LS upgrade included) and was also accepted, but again, the main issues haven't been addressed

Lol deadass the same recalc I did which got rejected cuz of "arbitrary time-frames" among other things which would apply to this too

There has to be consistency within the calc group's standards

I'd rather wait for it to be properly recalculated

 

[Arkenis]

There has to be consistency within the calc group's standards

What they hold a cgm meeting and make standards lmao…. Wait a minute

 

[Tahoy49574]

What they hold a cgm meeting and make standards lmao…. Wait a minute

Why not

It'd be annoying if a calc got through because the evaluator was more lenient than others(and that's what happened here)

 

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[Chariot190]

Im sure this can be quantified still, would need to skim for various shots of the base for frame of reference tho. But worst case, Allen moves a ship in issue 9, pretty far and pretty quickly.

 

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[Tahoy49574]

But worst case, Allen moves a ship in issue 9, pretty far and pretty quickly.

There's also Mark ramming Allen against the moon, which is much more impressive than in the show

Also I really don't want to come off as annoying, but I messaged you with some other potential feats, reply to it when you can

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Isn't this a crossover? If so i think this feat should be removed entirely if we treat the Image Crossovers as non canon

Also yeah i agree with the re-calc, but i feel like that should come in a separate CRT

 

[Tahoy49574]

Isn't this a crossover? If so i think this feat should be removed entirely if we treat the Image Crossovers as non canon

People are arguing it should stay so I don't know

I've done thread about it, but it's pretty lengthy so I can't really argue full time on it right now

 

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[Tahoy49574]

@TheRustyOne What do you think should be done here?

Quite a few months and nothing, any help ?

 

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[TheRustyOne]

First I'll explain the feat. Invincible and Fire Breather throw a Golem into space, and we see it passes the moon.

This golem formed from a meteor that Mark previously tried to stop, but ended up re-directing. This takes place in a comic called The Pact, Issue 2.

The original calculation messed up the volume. The volume of a sphere with a diameter of 150 meters is 1767146 m^3, not 471.2 m^3. This is a minor issue.

A big problem is that the golem first came out as a bunch of smaller golems. Some of them were teleported to the moon base by accident and a lot of them were destroyed by Invincible and Fire Breather. It's only afterward that the remaining golems combined into the big golem they'd throw. So the size of the golem should be smaller than the meteor, which Mark said was impossible for him to stop for being too big and fast.

The original calculation doesn't even find the meteor's size, it just assumes it, which isn't good. A new calculation should find the size of the golem and use that instead.

The other problem is the timeframe. 30 seconds is meaningless as nothing suggest such a timeframe. By the time they throw the golem, the skies are blue, but when we see them after it's done, we can see that it's sunset. Considering their speed, it's not impossible they just moved somewhere else. However, that doesn't support a timeframe of 30 seconds. Normally, the speed would be the minimum required to escape Earth's orbit, that being 11 km/s.

However, even that would be a bit of a low ball. As I don't think 9.7 hours passed. I'm uncertain what timeframe to give it, but 30 seconds is far too low.

I cannot make my own calculation. For right now, I suggest that the calculation be removed from Invincible's profile and the verse page for being incorrect.

Thankfully, all of his ratings are independent of it and won't effect any scaling.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Just opened this. Rusty seems sensible enough. Gut the calc, if some reasonable end can be found it can be re-attempted later.

 

[Tahoy49574]

Just opened this. Rusty seems sensible enough. Gut the calc, if some reasonable end can be found it can be re-attempted later.

With Damage3245's like I'll assume it's 3 votes to remove it

However I'd also like to know DMUA's perspective given he approved one of the recalculations

Also tbh, I'm not that comfortable with Early Mark's scaling coming from a variant given we've just had an arc where a main plot point is that they vary in strength