For all intents and purposes the Windmill of time is this universes', Ultimate Nullifier, infinity gauntlet, or cosmic cube. I guess.
That's not substantiated by the presented evidence.
We don't have a clear answer. It's an ancient tool, and they're vague. I'm using just direct words from the series to point at what happens. I don't want to twist things.
Narratively we can't ignore the "Reconstruction" line. Which means to destroy and make a new. He only enforces this with his goals.
He wants to
create the perfect universe. He'll
destroy the other imperfect universes. To him the gods don't care about us.
Reality Warp is a blanket term because whatever he's doing he's doing exactly that. The fact he can do whatever he wants with how things lay into the new universe is implied. This is the evidence of it working like that.
- "Death itself will disappear from this world"
- "Lets have your parents meet as before" (Using the word "Lets" suggest control)
- "You can even meet Riko if you like. The story's shape will be different, but it will lead to eternal happiness. Just like a fairy tale."
Which is exactly my point. The description of how it does things is super vague, so with absolutely no direct feats anywhere close to these levels I'm inclined to not interpret it in a way that makes character 2-C.
In a vacuum it makes most sense to pick the interpretation that aligns with the displayed level of power.
I would assume it was implied, but it doesn't matter. Whether we call their clash a “battery,” “fuel,” or “spark,” the story is explicit:
- Without them, the Windmill does nothing.
- With them, the Windmill performs a Low 2‑C feat.
Therefore the clash’s energy output must be relative otherwise the device could not function.
No. Just because a device does nothing until someone starts it, doesn't mean the one starting it scales to the device.
A car does nothing until you turn the key to start it. That doesn't mean that the energy required to turn the key is equal to the power of the car.
Something can be a prequisit for the working of a magical device without supplying the entirety of its power.
This doesn't discredit what i said. No hax was used. No meido or fate manipulation was used on Kirinmaru. Kirinmaru doesn't go all out either.
Kirinmaru deflects every attack thrown at him even an attack that he threw that was reversed at him with backlash wave. Which only means he threw a weak attack if it was caught with Backlash wave.
As for clashes, he does this with every character because his entire personality is he loves to do battle and test people. He later tosses inuyasha away a few secs later in that same scene because he's done wasting his time.
He flicks his hands at the girls and they fly back. Yet he is still clashing with them repeatedly. Would you say they rival his strength here too Or is he not holding back?
He says he's done playing around right before, so he clearly is trying. And the matter of hax has no relevance to power scaling. Point is, if he is infinitely stronger than the moment he clashes blades with InuYasha he would obliterate him.
The fact that he doesn't obliterate someone that isn't Tier 2 strongly indicates that he isn't tier 2 himself.
Hi all! First time poster here. I’ve been following the Yashahime manga since Chapter 1 and I thought I’d make an account here to try and provide some additional context, especially since I know someone who hasn’t kept up with Yashahime hearing even just ‘planetary Inuyasha’ probably sounds bonkers. I even come bringing some Japanese scans I’ve collected as evidence for some of the wilder stuff. Although at the request of my source for those, I’ll be cropping the images only to the relevant passages.
So there’s been a pretty steady and significant increase in power going on in the setting thanks to the Yashahime manga.
Starting off is the implication that Inu No Taisho’s battle against Kirinmaru reshaped Japan. (I do not have Japanese RAWs of this one sadly, so take it for what you will, but a fan translation had ‘land’ set as ‘country’.)
We also have Osamu Kirin (who in the Manga is just a brainwashed Riku) claiming he could destroy the planet. The kanji in question used for the full statement are “大地をもようりょく砕く妖力を” which seems to refer to “the Earth” or “the globe” in this context.
We also have Kirinmaru’s sister Zero weaponizing Black Holes as her primary attack. For those questioning the legitimacy of the translation, the specific Kanji used for the attack is “黑穴”.
(Note: on the page prior, we can see that at least 11 of these Black Holes are being summoned. I will provide that if requested.)
Towa is even later able to overpower these Black Holes and absorb their energy to empower her own attacks. But that still isn’t enough to smash through Zero’s barrier. And several pages later (after the manga cuts to a different fight) Zero then hits Towa with more energy than she can absorb, implying the 11 Black Holes she unleashed prior isn’t even her upper limit.
So overall the Yashahime manga does introduce some SERIOUS power creep into the setting.
We could certainly debate what the tier for these feats is in some other thread at some point, however for the matter at hand they are irrelevant. No finite power feat is support for 2-C.
If anything, that these statements and feats are the kinds of hype they get is evidence against more than infinite power.
As for the 2-C stuff in question, I’ll elaborate a bit more on Kirinmaru’s plan below as it is essentially to use Sesshōmaru’s Attack Potency (specifically he name drops Sesshōmaru’s sword techniques such as Sōryūha and Bakusaiga’s explosive waves) as the necessary energy to fuel the device. However before that I will add that the Windmill of Time isn’t just destroying or altering a few alternate timelines, its activation will completely destroy ALL timelines, as confirmed a few chapters prior by Akuru, the God of Time.
The English translation doesn’t quite go into it, but the Japanese version specifically uses the Kanji “時空” which is usually used in reference to an entire Space-Time Continuum.
It affecting a timeline is not what was in question.
The question is whether it just blows up the timeline by brute force or if it guides events by time manipulation making the timeline not exist in favor of an alternate course of events.
Now on to the 2-C thing in question:
With Sesshōmaru, Kirinmaru had rigged their arena so that if Sesshōmaru used any of his sword’s powerful energy attacks, the room they were fighting in would immediately capture that energy and use it to power up the Windmill. Accidentally doing so actually did power up the device several times, and is what forced Sesshomaru to create a time-loop for himself where he has repeated the last 14 years over 100 times.
Ok. But that still doesn't mean that the energy is all that's use to create the device's effect. It can still easily be used to start the device, with the windmill itself having supernatural powers as well.
Considering the great focus of the power becoming a vortex, I'm almost certain that the idea is just that you have to make the windmill spin, which then activates its powers.
This basically forces Sesshomaru to fight defensively without the aid of any of his more devastating attacks. And when Sesshōmaru doesn’t fall for Kirinmaru’s trap, Kirinmaru then sends Osamu Kirin to time travel into the future to build the Windmill of Time there instead.
And as a final note, I don’t believe Towa would scale directly to the 2-C thing like Sesshōmaru does. Because when Towa pursues Osamu Kirin into the future, Osamu then tries to coerce Towa to join him. The dialogue he uses seems to be him wanting to use her advanced Energy Absorption abilities to gather the necessary energy over time, rather than all at once as is the case with Sesshōmaru.
If I had to say who would definitely scale to the feat, it would be:
• Amaterasu (the setting’s Creation Goddess)
• Akuru (the setting’s God of Space-Time)
• Sesshōmaru (his attacks specifically are enough to cause the feat)
Kirinmaru is a bit more questionable because he very explicitly needed Sesshōmaru’s energy and couldn’t just do it all by himself, which to me implies it is more something only Sesshōmaru scales to and Kirinmaru’s job is to basically provoke him into springing the trap. But if Kirinmaru is accepted, Inu No Taisho would probably need to be added as well since in the manga they were equals.
Kirinmaru says relatively clearly, that both their powers together being drawn into a vortex are what activates the device.
That, and the fact that he can fight them at all, makes it quite clear that they would both scale. Which then gives the aforementioned problems.
This isn't made better by the idea of using Towa to replace some missing power in the future, because... well, a fraction of infinite is infinite.
The fact that, apparently, using 500 years of time would be enough to also get the power otherwise is weird for infinite power as well.
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So what do you think that we should do here?
I'm against the 2-C upgrade.
The Kagome abilities are fine, as long as it's explained how limited the precognition is (she had a random dream) and that the time arrow needs the Weathervane.
Other abilities are also fine, if the context and scope is properly explained on the page upon addition.
