Instant killing attacks in vs threads

[Salavtore]

I haven't really seen many threads where one of the characters has an instant kill attack.

lets say a couple of 5-A characters go against each other, and one of those characters has an instant kill attack. Does that mean that character wins with that sort of attack? Or would that attack just apply to the characters of the series its part of.

If my question makes sense, please gimme an answer.

 

[Aurugermil]

Yes. There are many characters that can bypass durability and have insta-kill attack. Example, Tohno Shiki.

 

[Salavtore]

Thanks, the only case this wouldn't work if that person has some sort of hacks, right?

 

[DontTalk]

Insta-kill attacks can only be categorized as such if we know the mechanism and then they work exactly in just the cases in which the mechanism suggests they do.

Really simple actually for a general case, even though specifically hard to decide at times.

 

[Gemmysaur]

It's rather hard to debate when a character can one-shot with haxx since it basically boils down to a first-strike match as those types are typically squishies.

For example, Shiba Tatsuya. He's 7-B

He's rather squishy but with high healing factor, but the problem with him is that he has hypersonic+, potentially relativistic reflexes which pretty much means he's nigh-invincible in his own tier.

His brand of haxx, Demon Right enables him to erase someone from existence by interfering with the target's data in the information dimension which ignores distance, target's movement speed (it is currently unavoidable in-universe) and obstacles provided, he knows of the target's location to look in. Demon Right has no casting time and can also be used on magic spells to outright disable it.

His Elemental Sight also allows him to target and hit 36 targets at the same time, while his limiter is turned o and his Loop Cast System (A program he developed to allow spamming of spells) disabled.

Because of this haxx, he arguably/effectively beats (assuming relativistic reflexes):

Accelerator; tier 7-B, due to Demon Right not having vector.

Uzumaki Naruto; tier 5-C at his strongest, if Tatsuya's relativistic reflexes are accepted which is much higher than Naruto's combat and movement speed, leaving no room for him to even use Kagebunshin. Even then, Elemental Sight can see him pretty easily.

Misaka Mikoto; tier 4-C potentially with Level 6 Shift, because she still can't outspeed Tatsuya's reflexes.

Kurousagi; Tier 3-C with Indra's Spear, because although the spear gives her atleast Galaxy Level power, she's still too slow to do anything about Tatsuya just erasing her before she uses it.

Say what you wish about the show, his boring personality and his annoying brocon imouto, but that Demon Right + Elemental Sight + Relativistic reflexes combo is just broken.


Even with all those things I said, it's pretty much accepted here that one-shot haxx is allowed unless explicitly stated by the thread maker that it isn't.

To answer your question, yes. It's an auto-wi except if the opponent has a means of making a comeback (e.g. Kakine Teitoku and his annoying dark matter beetles that he leaves everywhere for him to spawn from).

 

[DontTalk]

"Demon Right + Elemental Sight + Relativistic reflexes combo is just broken" Not more broken then your average touhou character ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

That aside Demon right is only not transferred over distance in terms of 3 dimensional distance. To my knowledge magic in the verse does travel through the information dimension and through that in terms of 3 dimensional distance is instant. Basically the same way as teleportation in index shortcuts through 11 dimensions to be instantly effect a distant area without having to go the 3 dimensional distance. In other words it has very much vectors, they are just 4 dimensional ones, which is no problem for accel with his limit of 11 dimensions.

But that is off topic. Btw. Misaka is only 4-C via suicide attack.

 

[Yamatohime]

"Demon Right + Elemental Sight + Relativistic reflexes combo is just broken" Not more broken then your average touhou character ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Reimu's with her FN+Relativistic+ combo is more broken... And example of hax to avoid beating from the said combo.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Now if only we had Reimu with Dura Negation, everything below Light speed dies.

 

[Aurugermil]

Some of Reimu's spell cards, particularly those that have "Fantasy" in their name can ignore the law of physics. So I think Reimu can bypass the concept of durability there.

 

[DontTalk]

@Aurugermil: I considered that as well quite some time ago, but in the end one can not conclude that ignoring the laws of physics implies durability negation.

Strictly speaking most supernatural energies ignore the laws of physics and I even know a case where a character is strictly mentioned to be able to create matter that disobeys the laws of physics, but with his normal attacks with that matter doesn't have durability negation.

So without knowing in which way they ignore the laws of physics one can not really conclude that they have durability negation.