Instant Death: Yogiri's Immeasurable speed removal

[Wikisource]

So:

Speed: Below Average Human, up to Immeasurable reactions and attack speed with Instant Death (Can use his abilities without any sort of limitations) | Peak Human, up to Immeasurable reactions and attack speed with Instant Death (Has reacted to characters who can move much faster than the eye can see. Capable of automatically killing passive abilities before they affect him. It's stated that no matter how fast someone is, they still get killed by Yogiri,[82] which would include the Hedgehog. Even if someone is faster than what Yogiri can physically react, his powers automatically activate to retaliate before any harm is done to him[83][84]) | Omnipresent (Exists across all the space and time[5][6])

All we see here is the effect of passive 1-B hax. Yogiri's hax is the effect of his True Form always protecting him from the level of the entire cosmology (ie 1-B at the moment), it automatic active at 1-B level it's not surprising that the characters in the verse can be killed no matter how fast they are since they are always in the attack range of passive 1-B hax. And ofc, they can't run away from it.

Edit: Iirc, Yogiri's hax is from his true form, and his true form is omnipresent so dodging an attack from everywhere is very difficult. Besides, the verse also mentions that lower dimensional beings cannot resist hax from higher dimensions.

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[SweetDao]

the verse also mentions that lower dimensional beings cannot resist hax from higher dimensions.

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[Wikisource]

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Did I wrong? It's a long time from the last time I read this verse so I didn't remember correctly.

 

[SweetDao]

Did I wrong? It's a long time from the last time I read this verse so I didn't remember correctly.

I suppose you're referring to The Abyss stuff? But like, lower dimensional beings can't interact/resist the king that comes from The Abyss only because he can operate on/in that fourth dimension, not all of his hax are 4D or anything.

A regular human being able to move into The Abyss could most likely do the same thing as the king.

 

[Wikisource]

I suppose you're referring to The Abyss stuff? But like, lower dimensional beings can't interact/resist the king that comes from The Abyss only because he can operate on/in that fourth dimension, not all of his hax are 4D or anything.

A regular human being able to move into The Abyss could most likely do the same thing as the king.

Ic

 

[SweetDao]

Ic

Icey

Anyway, regarding the thread itself.

Yogiri's hax is a passive hax so he can automatically kill anyone no matter how they fast since they are always in Yogiri's attack range (1-B range) and it's a passive hax it's not uncommon for them to get hit so escaping it is impossible. So, it should be remove.

The main problem is that his "passive reaction" is most likely a byproduct of his omnipresence rather than an actual speed rating. In such a case, I don't really know how to index the speed itself. Like, okay, the "world" protect him. The "world" is the cosmology so obviously, it's everywhere (and most likely every when) but then, it has nothing to do with speed I guess? Like, a character would effectively have to be faster than...the cosmology itself? Feels weird.

 

[Vietthai96]

his true form is omnipresent across time and space, so the attacks from true form is still immeasurable regardless cause due to his omnipresent, he can attacks at any points in space and time, so the argument, ngl, doesn't work. Also isn't there is statement that his attacks do not attracted to causality due to his nature??, that is textbook immeasurable speed. Also, faster than passive is another way to achieve immeasurable speed

Anyway i need to sleep now

 

[SweetDao]

his true form is omnipresent across time and space

Technically, I'm almost certain the raw only clarify the eyes were there since the beginning, only the English translation goes on to say omnipresent in space and time.

But in any case it's not really important, it's obvious that he was there since the beginning of time.

true form is still immeasurable regardless cause due to his omnipresent

Is it? So, like, every character listed as omnipresent technically have Immeasurable speed? (I'm genuinely asking since I'm unaware of this)

he can attacks at any points in space and time, so the argument, ngl, doesn't work

I guess it's technically true?

Also isn't there is statement that his attacks do not attracted to causality due to his nature??

I'm unsure of what you meant, but if you're talking about the whole "he is beyond causality", it's simply because rewinding time while not undo the "mark" on the target which is logic, since the cosmology itself wouldn't be affected by a time rewind.

Also, faster than passive is another way to achieve immeasurable speed

That's only assuming the "attack" Yogiri does have a speed component in it, which I don't believe. Like, if someone passively reflect any attack that he takes but the opponent can just EE them directly, without going through a physical attack, they would just be dead without reflecting anything.

Good night btw, almost forgot

 

[Wikisource]

The main problem is that his "passive reaction" is most likely a byproduct of his omnipresence rather than an actual speed rating. In such a case, I don't really know how to index the speed itself. Like, okay, the "world" protect him. The "world" is the cosmology so obviously, it's everywhere (and most likely every when) but then, it has nothing to do with speed I guess? Like, a character would effectively have to be faster than...the cosmology itself? Feels weird.

I think I can fine with passive hax, about speed, I think there is nothing to do with his speed from his speed part's arguement.

 

[Wikisource]

his true form is omnipresent across time and space, so the attacks from true form is still immeasurable regardless cause due to his omnipresent, he can attacks at any points in space and time, so the argument, ngl, doesn't work. Also isn't there is statement that his attacks do not attracted to causality due to his nature??, that is textbook immeasurable speed. Also, faster than passive is another way to achieve immeasurable speed

Anyway i need to sleep now

No? Omnipresent can't make you have Immeasurable because you attack at any point of space and time. It just a byproduct of omnipresent. If no, all omnipresent characters could have immeasurable speed. Next, I don't remember something like you say, could you show me? The last one, no one in the verse are faster than Yogiri's hax.

 

[Wikisource]

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[Voidnether]

I think I can fine with passive hax, about speed, I think there is nothing to do with his speed from his speed part's arguement.

Passive Death Manipulation while being Omnipresent is.. Well.. I mean, I have to disagree with this. If it's Passive then Omnipresent should be removed and vice versa.

I mean, Yogiri's True Form protects him so it wouldn't be passive at all: Simply because he's Omnipresent.

Edit: Iirc, Yogiri's hax is from his true form, and his true form is omnipresent so dodging an attack from everywhere is very difficult. Besides, the verse also mentions that lower dimensional beings cannot resist hax from higher dimensions.

 

[Wikisource]

Passive Death Manipulation while being Omnipresent is.. Well.. I mean, I have to disagree with this. If it's Passive then Omnipresent should be removed and vice versa.

I mean, Yogiri's True Form protects him so it wouldn't be passive at all: Simply because he's Omnipresent.

A byproduct from omnipresent huh? Like Sweetdao said. Yea, Ig this make sense to me. But I think his true form doesn't omnipresent because in raw doesn't have anything like that, but I will keep it later.

 

[Voidnether]

A byproduct from omnipresent huh? Like Sweetdao said. Yea, Ig this make sense to me. But I think his true form doesn't omnipresent because in raw doesn't have anything like that, but I will keep it later.

Yeah, if it's not omnipresent though, you could say his death manipulation is passive (it was explained at the beginning of the series, actually about his activation).

 

[Wikisource]

Yeah, if it's not omnipresent though, you could say his death manipulation is passive (it was explained at the beginning of the series, actually about his activation).

Alr.

 

[Robo432343]

i would have agreed with this thread if it wasn't so poorly made

 

[Wikisource]

i would have agreed with this thread if it wasn't so poorly made

Sorry about that

 

[Wikisource]

I edited a bit, hope it more make sense ('')>

 

[SweetDao]

i would have agreed with this thread if it wasn't so poorly made

Meanie