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Lain's Immortality and Stamina

Pretty simple. Lain Tendou should get Immortality Type 8 due to her being an avatar dependant on the Original Lain/True Form Lain (this also applies to her clones since its the same mechanic)

8: Reliant Immortality: The character cannot die as long as a certain being, object, or even concept exists.


Her real form was dead.

Now, even the Lain in this place was a duplicate made by her real form just like Lain B. However, she wasn't an impromptu existence like Lain B, but she was sharing memory with her real form with a link.

This was the true nature of her immortality. Her real form existed in a safe place, and did the act of duplicating. No matter how much her duplicates would come to nothing, it was fine if she just produced another duplicate on the spot.

However, the vital link had been interrupted. As soon as she wasn't able to contact her real form, her latest state wasn't reflected.

This body would be unnecessary if the link was severed, and she'd vanish. It was something that couldn't be helped because a duplicate was a dependant existence.''

~ Volume 2​
Also, her stamina should be way higher than actually is now, due to her being comparable to other sages and people comparable to them, and also because he can virtually create an endless amount of avatars (stated in the quote above)

Limited Mindhax for Sages
Basically, every sage can induce a bunch of efects into people with the system, so they should get Limited Mind Manipulation via these statements:

"Eh……aah, that's right. I did think 'let's go home', and 'I want to go home'……" (Carol)

"……I, too, considered the premise of 'we can't return anymore'. That 'there was no other way than to become a sage'……" (Ryouko)

『Hmm. It isn't to the point of brainwashing, but it seems something like guiding their thoughts has been done.』(Mokomoko)

Mokomoko had said it before, that 'With the system install, you become warlike, and your sense of avoidance towards violence is decreased'. If a thing like that could be done, it may be possible to turn the consciousness away from returning with the same trick.



That mindhax stuff would only scale to Aoi and Sio , for now
 
I think Immortality is just Type 9 because it depend on true self which look to exist in another dimension from what I read the Volume 2 text. She already have that Immortality.

9: Transcendental Immortality: Characters whose true selves exist independently from the plane where they can be killed.

I think the Limited Mindhax for Sages is fine.
 
Elizhaa said:
I think Immortality is just Type 9 because it depend on true self which look to exist in another dimension from what I read the Volume 2 text. She already have that Immortality.
9: Transcendental Immortality: Characters whose true selves exist independently from the plane where they can be killed.

I think the Limited Mindhax for Sages is fine.
Im pretty sure it would also apply to Type 8 since the avatars cant even exist if the true form dies, which is one of the requirements for type 8

Btw, thanks for the input guys
 
It is really redundant; rougly all avatars are dependent on the original body existing in that manner. Besides, her avatar =/= her.

There was a thread like this god tiers on the Pokemon god tiers who used avatars like this; Type 8 for avatar was rejected as redundant. However, similar to what was decided as a solution, I see a case for Avatar Creation and I can agree there.
 
Elizhaa said:
It is really redundant; rougly all avatars are dependent on the original body existing in that manner. Besides, her avatar =/= her.
There was a thread like this god tiers on the Pokemon god tiers who used avatars like this; Type 8 for avatar was rejected as redundant. However, similar to what was decided as a solution, I see a case for Avatar Creation and I can agree there.
The profile of Lain that you see on the wiki is purely the main avatar that she uses (because the true form is featless and is probably just like her main avatar anyway, so thats why it doesnt have a profile or a key)

Avatar Creation seems good too
 
If it is redundant to have type 8 I think Avatar Creation should be added to the page instead even if her true form does not have a key.
 
TheMonsterOfTheAbyss said:
If it is redundant to have type 8 I think Avatar Creation should be added to the page instead even if her true form does not have a key.
Her avatars can create their own avatars too so its all good
 
THe mind hax part looks uncontroversial so I think it should be fine to add; The Type 8 Immortality for avatar like this from I saw of staff's opinions would be controversially redundant so it best to get more inputs or take the noncontroversial route of adding Avatar Creation.
 
Aight, I'll contact some users and staff

Btw, I still dont get how its redundant. Is it because type 8 can be Type 9 at the same time depending on the case?
 
Noted.

In this case, it is redundant because it is the avatar that get the Type 8 Immortality here not the true character; this Type 8 Immortality for avatar is already implicit true for most if not all avatars.
 
I'd go with types 9 and 4 for the immortalities.
 
Alright, what about the avatars of the main avatar? Would they get Type 8 since the true form doesnt reside in another dimension?

Something like this: Immortality (Types 1, 3, 4, 7 and 9. Type 8 for her clones)

Edit: Nevermind, it seems Elizhaa already referred to this
 
Wokistan's and Elizhaa's solutions seem fine to apply.
 
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