Hello everyone, recently I've seen a lot of downgrades for Instant Death verse here, so I'm going to debunk it, specifically for this thread. So, the premise of the thread uses and conforms to the WoG or QnA, which states that Mitsuki's Dream is localized and doesn't impact the entire "world". However, there is another point to that statement, which I'll explain in this thread.
Here is Fujikata's statement, he reminds us to look in more detail in the latest volume :
And this TS's argument :
That's a misunderstanding, he didn't even mention volume 15 to understand the context as Fujikata said, and claimed Mitsuki's Dream does only affecting Celestial foundation for no obvious reason.
While Fujikata refers to volume 15 in his statement, so, it's necessary at all; In Vol 15, the Ultimate God told us about the World, World means everything, the Ultimate Collection of all Ultimate Ensemble Worlds, parallel worlds, dimensions etc. Which means, the localized sentence implies Mitsuki's dream encompasses only one Ultimate Ensemble World, as the two statements are corresponded.
In addition to Fujikata linking his statement to vol 15, there is plenty of evidence proving that Mitsuki's dream encompassing one Ultimate Ensemble World. Such as :
In the novel.
Furthermore, If Mitsuki dies the world will be disappear, thought it's truth or not, other feats already prove my argument.
The conclusion is, Mitsuki and Yogiri will be back 1-A with Qualitative Transcendence, and then Ultimate God will be 1-A too since he is the strongest in every possible world.
Here is Fujikata's statement, he reminds us to look in more detail in the latest volume :
詳しくは最終巻で！
ミツキの夢は局所的なものですので、全体には影響を及ぼしません。
More details in the latest volume!
Mitsuki's Dream is localized and doesn't impact the entire world.
And this TS's argument :
Because Mitsuki's dream cannot affect the Ultimate Ensemble, but it does affect Celestial foundation.
That's a misunderstanding, he didn't even mention volume 15 to understand the context as Fujikata said, and claimed Mitsuki's Dream does only affecting Celestial foundation for no obvious reason.
While Fujikata refers to volume 15 in his statement, so, it's necessary at all; In Vol 15, the Ultimate God told us about the World, World means everything, the Ultimate Collection of all Ultimate Ensemble Worlds, parallel worlds, dimensions etc. Which means, the localized sentence implies Mitsuki's dream encompasses only one Ultimate Ensemble World, as the two statements are corresponded.
"Do you want to know? Well, it might be better for me to explain than for you to gather fragmentary information and interpret it on your own. The current individual is named Takatou Yogiri. It's a rather vulnerable life form inhabiting a certain planet in a certain universe of a certain world. I say 'current' because it could be an entirely different individual depending on the era and location. So, it's invincible in every sense. Vulnerable life form, you say? That's right. However, nothing can be done against it. It eliminates anything that threatens the state of Takatou Yogiri, trying to maintain that, from the 'world.' Oh, by 'world,' I mean the Ultimate Collection of the worlds, including all conceivable worlds. I know, saying just 'world' can lead to discussions about the outside of that world, different dimensions, parallel worlds, and so on. So I don’t mess around when I say 'world,' I mean it encompasses everything. I hope you understand it that way." —Volume 15
In addition to Fujikata linking his statement to vol 15, there is plenty of evidence proving that Mitsuki's dream encompassing one Ultimate Ensemble World. Such as :
- Kyuuzaburou's sword can cut through the entire Ultimate Ensemble World, but Mitsuki can withstand it because the Ultimate Ensemble World is part of his dream. Even all the worlds that Kyuuzaburou has explored are nothing more than part of Mitsuki's dream.
"It's a sword, right? It's not necessarily sharper than other swords, but it's a weapon that's highly valued in this world," Mitsuki said. "Yeah, but this one is guaranteed to be sharp. It's never failed to cut anything before. Though it's so good that it sometimes cuts things I don't want it to," Koryu replied. "I see. So you think I can cut with it too?" "Mitsuki-sama! What he's saying is true! That is one of the 'exceptions' in the Ultimate Ensemble!" A woman standing next to the Great Sage turned pale. "So I'm also one of those 'exceptions'?" "But..." "Are you scared? If you avoid it, you'll lose, won't you?" Avoiding it wouldn't mean much. Eventually, the world would be torn apart and collapse. However, Kyuuzaburou wanted to see the Great Sage's shock when his sword cut through the world. That's why he made a clumsy provocation. "All right, let's do it," the Great Sage answered innocently and cheerfully. If he avoided it now, he might become paranoid about humans. Kyuuzaburou held his sword in his right hand and casually swung it sideways. He took a big step forward and swung from right to left.
"What the hell... what's happening?" Kyuuzaburou said in disbelief.
"It's simple. This world is just a dream that I'm seeing. You and that sword are just things I imagined in my dream. So, even if it looks like the world is being torn apart on the surface, it can't be broken. Because it's strange for you, who are just characters in my dream world, to be able to destroy it," the Great Sage explained. "That's ridiculous. Do you have any idea how many worlds I've travelled through? It's not just a million, it's almost reaching a billion. Are you saying they're all just dreams? Is that even possible?" Kyuuzaburou retorted.
Could he just accept that he was a fleeting existence? It was impossible. If he believed that, everything would be shaken. His identity would be completely destroyed. He couldn't believe it, no matter what.
"R-Right! You mentioned an 'exception' earlier! If that's the case, then the power of the sword should work in any world! The fact that it can work in various worlds with different laws is what makes it an 'exception'!" Kyuuzaburou exclaimed.
"True. But even if your understanding is correct, it doesn't prove that you're not just a part of my dream," the Great Sage replied.
In the end, it was a fact that no matter what Kyuuzaburo said or did, attacks could not affect the Great Sage. If he wanted to prove that his understanding was correct, he would have to resort to using force..
- UEG and the half-world she has destroyed are implied to be the part of Mitsuki's Dream, also, i think, Touichirou came back to reality tho.
“On top of that, we were killing people all over the world,” Haruto explained. “Though we personally didn’t accomplish much, Zakuro wiped out most major cities. In short, the world was basically doomed.” Using her subordinates,the UEG had made quite a bit of progress in wiping out all lifs in theworld. “Huh? So does that mean the Great Sage savedthe world?!” Tomochika asked. “If the Great Sage is responsible for this, then yes, Sion answered. “I am not familiar with my grandfather’s exact powers, but according to the rumors, this world is effectively a dream that he isseeing.”
All of that feats explain the world are nothing than a part of Mitsuki's imagination, he can do everything what he wanted to, all of the world are meaningless for him. Also, for Qualitative Transcendence, it is noted that within Mitsuki Page his Ontology are more real or likes a real player that sees the Ultimate Ensemble World as mere games or non-real/Illusion/fiction.them changed, showing the state of the entire world rather than just Belm. “Half the population is dead. I never expected she’d do something like this. I figured a lot of people would get killed when she tried to take revenge on me or the goddesses, but I didn’t expect a massacre like this...” “Even if it’s only half the population, all the major cities have been destroyed, so the world is basically over, right?” Van said. “And that beam of light she fired went right through the core of the planet, so the whole thing will probably fall apart soon.” “So gathering the survivors together and trying to rebuild civilization is no good, then?” “No, recovering from this is probably impossible. We’ll have to reset. Hmm. I don’t want to go too far back. How about here?” Van had no idea what Mitsuki had done, but since he flopped back down on the grass, he must have already been finished. “Huh? You’re just resetting it without warning?” “No time like the present, right? I’ll leave the rest to you.” “You’re not that serious about this, are you, gramps? Fine, I’ll do better this time.” After saying that, Van lay down on the grass beside his grandfather and closed his eyes.
The entire Celestial Foundation is just a dream of Mitsuki, and a dream he can control at will, such as being able to rewind all of its events as if they never happened. This relationship extends all the way to UEG, as everything she did was also reverted, implying that she is also bound to his dreamworld. Mitsuki is one of the exceptions of the Ultimate Ensemble World, with his power being able to work across all worlds of the Ensemble. Even Kyuuzaburou's sword, which is also exception of the Ultimate Ensemble World that is able to cut even Supreme Gods, is still nothing more than part of Mitsuki's imagination. His nature was analogously compared to that of between a real player and a game.
In the novel.
"I never thought the world would end up like this!" "Even though you lost, you seem quite relaxed." "After all, it's just a dream. It's like a game that you can redo anytime. When a player character dies in a game, you wouldn't get worked up about it, would you?" "Bwahaha... Ahahahaha!" Kouryu suddenly burst into laughter. He couldn't hold it in and laughed loudly. "A game! It's like a game, right! Yes, yes!" "What's so funny? I'm not dead, you know?" It was obvious. Since Mitsuki was thinking like this, there was no way he was dead. "You're right, you're not dead. This time, Takatou Yogiri didn't kill you. That's why he released all of his power.
Furthermore, If Mitsuki dies the world will be disappear, thought it's truth or not, other feats already prove my argument.
“Hmm.Comingfromyou,ofallpeople,thatisprettypersuasive.Butthat
doesn’tchangethatthisismyworld.There’snowayacharacterinmydream cankillme.Evenifhecould,thatwouldjustmeantheworldwasdestroyed, right?”
TheGreatSage’swordsmadeYogirirealizesomething.Ifthisworldwas
actuallyadreamtheGreatSagewashaving,whatwouldhappentoitifYogiri usedhispowertokillhim?Normally,onewouldexpectthewholethingto disappear,whichmeantYogiriwouldbekilledtoo.Thatwouldbeentirely pointless.
“Please!”
“Stopgettingintheway,”theGreatSagereplied,makingAlexiagostiff.
WhateverAlexiahadbeentryingtodo,theGreatSagehadstoppedher.Itwas liketimehadfrozenforheralone.“Sorry.Thingshavestartedlookingpretty sloppy,haven’tthey?”
“It’sfine,”Yogirireplied.“This’llbeoverprettyfastanyway.”
WhatwouldhappenifhekilledtheGreatSage?Howmuchofanimpact
wouldthathaveontheworld?Yogiribelievedhewastellingthetruth,and
killingtheGreatSagewouldleadtotheworldbeingdestroyed.Sohereleased thesealonhispowers.Heopenedthesecondgate,andbeyonditthethirdgate, unleashingthefullextentofhisownabilities.Therewasnownothinglimiting him,returninghimtohisnaturalstate.
KillingtheGreatSagewoulddestroytheworld.IfMitsukiandthisworld
weresocloselylinked,evenYogiri’ssecondlevelwouldn’tbeenoughtodeal withhim.
“ThistimeI’mattackingforreal,okay?”TheGreatSagethrewtheballof
lightlikehewasplayingagameofcatch.
Yogiriactivatedhispower.
The conclusion is, Mitsuki and Yogiri will be back 1-A with Qualitative Transcendence, and then Ultimate God will be 1-A too since he is the strongest in every possible world.
