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Initial Black Hole
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First of all, the vsb calc team and vsb have very strict rules on black hole issues. Everything is calculated differently. Calculating black holes etc. is also the most problematic event. There are many factors such as the power / volume / force / size / angle of the black hole / whether it moves or is fixed.
Surviving a black hole collapsing through Hawking radiation
A black hole can, as mentioned under point 4 be destroyed through natural means, by Hawking radiation. Since such an event converts the black hole in energy radiated outwards one could assume that a character that survives inside a black hole during its collapse would get its mass-energy as durability. Now there are several problem with such an assumption:
In fiction a black hole of course might not need that long, but given that it would take that long in nature it should not be assumed to necessarily be a black hole collapse, if it wasn't mentioned to have the black hole destroyed by Hawking radiation, which was being massively sped up somehow. If it wasn't made clear to work through such a mechanism the black hole should not be assumed to be destroyed by such means and it should not be considered a durability feat at all.
A second thing comes up if we actually have the case of a black hole collapse in fiction, that is made clear to be an actual collapse using Hawking radiation. In such a case the energy would only be a durability feat for characters standing close to, but outside, the event horizon. For beings inside the event horizon it still isn't a durability feat. Reason for that is that Hawking radiation works in such a way that the energy radiating outwards is actually just produced outside the event horizon. Things inside the event horizon aren't hit by the energy. Instead they are hit by the particles that fall into a black hole, which according to the theory of hawking radiation carry negative energy. So surviving a collapse while inside the black hole serves as a resistance feat for negative energy, but can not be viewed as a feat for common durability.
Surviving a black hole collapsing through Hawking radiation
A black hole can, as mentioned under point 4 be destroyed through natural means, by Hawking radiation. Since such an event converts the black hole in energy radiated outwards one could assume that a character that survives inside a black hole during its collapse would get its mass-energy as durability. Now there are several problem with such an assumption:
In fiction a black hole of course might not need that long, but given that it would take that long in nature it should not be assumed to necessarily be a black hole collapse, if it wasn't mentioned to have the black hole destroyed by Hawking radiation, which was being massively sped up somehow. If it wasn't made clear to work through such a mechanism the black hole should not be assumed to be destroyed by such means and it should not be considered a durability feat at all.
A second thing comes up if we actually have the case of a black hole collapse in fiction, that is made clear to be an actual collapse using Hawking radiation. In such a case the energy would only be a durability feat for characters standing close to, but outside, the event horizon. For beings inside the event horizon it still isn't a durability feat. Reason for that is that Hawking radiation works in such a way that the energy radiating outwards is actually just produced outside the event horizon. Things inside the event horizon aren't hit by the energy. Instead they are hit by the particles that fall into a black hole, which according to the theory of hawking radiation carry negative energy. So surviving a collapse while inside the black hole serves as a resistance feat for negative energy, but can not be viewed as a feat for common durability.
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The pull of a black hole is gravity unless its inside the event horizen then there is no durability.
Now this is what the wiki say about surviving inside the event horizon
Now this is what the wiki say about surviving inside the event horizon
Regular 3-dimensional characters withstanding a singularity
Now out of the reasons stated above a regular 3-dimensional character would get destroyed when approaching the singularity (the center of the black hole). The tidal forces would become infinite and he or she would be destroyed no matter how high his or her durability is. As such, since saying that a characters durability is infinite is usually an enormous outlier, surviving a singularity can extremely seldom be taken as a durability feat. It can only be understood as a feat for resistance against black holes.
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As I said, it depends on the black hole. and many more.
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Unless you know the acceleration of the gravity at that moment there is nothing you can do, the force depends on a lot of things how close and the size of the hole.
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are there calcs for what im talking about?
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The answer is it varies by black hole and how far away said character is
Just know it's likely an outlier as if it's the feat I'm thinking about then it would most likely yield Class T values
Just know it's likely an outlier as if it's the feat I'm thinking about then it would most likely yield Class T values
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How its an outlier lmao
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Come on man
We all know JJK isn't mountain tier in LS even the god tiers
The highest I've seen was like Class M
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If there's no contradiction then I don't know why it can't be accepted. And people like Jiro are already Class M, the god tiers being far above that isn't absurd.
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Its kenjaku resisting the pull of the black hole from Yuki.
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Made a thread some related to black hole and Ls
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Theoretically, you can calculate the LS needed to resist a blackhole as long as you don't pass its event horizon. After that point physics no longer make sense, and calculating it is impossible.
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it still depends on many factors such as the power of the black hole, its volume, gravity, whether it is stable and its strength. isn't it?
It is absolutely impossible to speak in general. but in this CRT, do you take the black hole according to its average size or is the black hole known?
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This Quora response outlines that the even-horizon of a Black Hole is 1.2e+44 Newtons of force, regardless of shape, size and mass. Considering Kenjaku does get swallowed by the black hole he would be resisting said amount of force, granted this is only via his anti-gravity technique which isn't even normally this strong since he specifically had to overclock it and push it past its limit.
Also get a staff member to double check the black hole info.
Also get a staff member to double check the black hole info.
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who is knowledgeable on blackholes
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Sorry man but he specifically did that through a technique and even if that wasn't a factor he was in the black hole which would make it infinite
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Nooooo
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No he didn’t lol. He did the technique after the black hole expanded. Prior to that he was just resisting the pull. Please actually look at the pages next time
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What are you talking about???
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If he did the technique after it expanded then he would be dead
We don't see the size of the black hole emanating from whatever that guy is so we can't scale it
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You're wrong. He's shown trying to resist the pull of the gravity in the scans leading up to wide panel of the black hole, meaning prior to that he didn't use the anti gravity. And for the size of the black hole, we see it being formed from Yuki's body, all I gotta do is pixel scale it.
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The darkness emanating from him doesn't seem to have a concrete form
It has to be a sphere or the formula won't work
everything else is an assumption
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I'll explain this better to you.
For one the darkness isn't emanating from "him" its a woman, her names Yuki. And my point of this post was to find out when a black hole actually starts to manifest, aka at what point does the density and mass cause a black hole. You know how Yuki tells us that she can keep increasing star rage's mass but only to a certain density before it ends up creating a Black Hole? All I'm suggesting is a way to find the pull of initial black holes. And the darkness is clearly the black hole already formed. Also the narrator or Yuki already point out to us that a black hole can form with a diameter of 2cm with the mass of the Earth. We needn't make assumptions on this, it's already stated.
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Then the best we would be able to assume from that would be a 2 cm diameter
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Yeah, then I'm just wondering what the LS class would be for resisting the gravity of it.
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