Info Type 2 question again

[LazyDaoist]

1. Cultivator can use and affect the Qi/energy in the verse, which is what creates everything in reality whether real or illusory so that should includes information and (supernatural) data, is this interacting/manipulating of Info type 2?
2. Altering the Dao of a universe and therefore imposing a permanent rule, Dao is the source of Dharma/Law (法) and Principle/Reason (理), its said to be "the most fundamental aspects of a realm" and like "programming protocols set and established by a programmer", is this eligible Info Type 2 or is just a Greater Law/Concept manip?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

No and No.

Nothing here proves that it's actually fundamental information, instead of some other fundamental metaphysical aspect.

 

[LazyDaoist]

No and No.

Nothing here proves that it's actually fundamental information, instead of some other fundamental metaphysical aspect.

For 2 what if the world/realm includes things like a Virtual World?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

For 2 what if the world/realm includes things like a Virtual World?

A virtual world doesn't mean anything. (In most cases, that would just be data)

What it needs to prove is that data or information act as fundamental building blocks for reality.

 

[LazyDaoist]

A virtual world doesn't mean anything. (In most cases, that would just be data)

What it needs to prove is that data or information act as fundamental building blocks for reality.

My point was that since Dao is the most fundamental aspect of every realm, which includes a Virtual World made of data, its some kind of Fundamental Information?

 

[Voidnether]

My point was that since Dao is the most fundamental aspect of every realm, which includes a Virtual World made of data, its some kind of Fundamental Information?

Not necessarily tbh except if it was stated to be an information and that same data which correlates to information composes the entirety of the virtual world themselves as nothing more than information

 

[LazyDaoist]

Not necessarily tbh except if it was stated to be an information and that same data which correlates to information composes the entirety of the virtual world themselves as nothing more than information

Is it needed to be stated verbatim as an information? since the page says

"This information is shown to compose reality similar to how data underlies a video game world"

and Dao is the most fundamental aspect of every realm even a Virtual World, and the author use words like "programming protocols set and established by a programmer", and the Info Manip page says

"This may allow characters to rewrite the world to their whims, often by programming it much like they would a virtual reality."

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Is it needed to be stated verbatim as an information? since the page says

and Dao is the most fundamental aspect of every realm even a Virtual World, and the author use words like "programming protocols set and established by a programmer"

Yes

It being "fundamental" doesn't prove anything regarding it being info 2. The other quote doesn't prove anything either.

 

[LazyDaoist]

Yes

It being "fundamental" doesn't prove anything regarding it being info 2. The other quote doesn't prove anything either.

Doesn't it just need to be the fundamental building block or something equal? what if a verse doesn't treat information as one of the fundamental aspect shaping it? does that mean they're immune to Info Manip Type 2

 

[FinePoint]

1. Cultivator can use and affect the Qi/energy in the verse, which is what creates everything in reality whether real or illusory so that should includes information and (supernatural) data, is this interacting/manipulating of Info type 2?
2. Altering the Dao of a universe and therefore imposing a permanent rule, Dao is the source of Dharma/Law (法) and Principle/Reason (理), its said to be "the most fundamental aspects of a realm" and like "programming protocols set and established by a programmer", is this eligible Info Type 2 or is just a Greater Law/Concept manip?

The second thing sounds like a law or concept.

The first thing might be Type 2 Information, but I'd need more context.

 

[Johner2133451]

Is it needed to be stated verbatim as an information? since the page says

and Dao is the most fundamental aspect of every realm even a Virtual World, and the author use words like "programming protocols set and established by a programmer", and the Info Manip page says

Actually you dont need to be stated as information as certain verses like Dragon Ball heroes has information type 2 via their realm made of data/wifi

Dragon Ball (Games) Cosmology

This page will cover the cosmology of the Dragon Ball Games' Cosmology, more specifically, Dragon Ball Heroes and Xenoverse multiverse, or we can call it Dragon Ball Heroes multiverse for short Well, at first we should cover the basics of the cosmology first before we dive into the game's...

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• Ziku World is a special space-time/timeline, created & introduced to the cosmology. This world is a digital space-time which is purely comprised entirely of WiFi, with even its visual boundaries being made/drawn by them. These same Wifis are capable of altering the people appearing in the Ziku World to their core, to such an extent where even their race would be altered if these Wifis were changed in any way. This would make the Ziku World a space-time comprised of fundamental information, making it a significant part of the cosmology for people who can affect and/or destroy the whole game multiverse

 

[FinePoint]

Essentially the difference between Type 2 Information and a Type 2/1 Concept is that the former's domain is explicitly defined while the latter is implicitly defined.

Ex.) Type 2 Information would say something like: "There exists humans, and one of those humans is John, and John has these properties:"

Whereas a Type 2/1 Concept would say something like: "There exists humans, which are generally defined as:"

The manipulation of either would directly affect John, but likely in different ways, and the latter probably has wider effects than intended.

 

[LazyDaoist]

The second thing sounds like a law or concept.

The first thing might be Type 2 Information, but I'd need more context.

Well it was stated Qi/energy is what form everything in reality whether it is physical or fantasy/illusory world (universes/realm like spiritual, dream, virtual)

But it was said the fundamental aspect of a universe is Dao, De (Virtue/Power), Law, Principle, so i guess the the energy forms Dao which is the source of De, Law, Principle

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Well it was stated Qi/energy is what form everything in reality whether it is physical or fantasy/illusory world (universes/realm like spiritual, dream, virtual)

But it was said the fundamental aspect of a universe is Dao, De (Virtue/Power), Law, Principle, so i guess the the energy forms Dao which is the source of De, Law, Principle

Dosen't relate to info 2 in any way, shape, or form.

 

[FinePoint]

Well it was stated Qi/energy is what form everything in reality whether it is physical or fantasy/illusory world (universes/realm like spiritual, dream, virtual)

But it was said the fundamental aspect of a universe is Dao, De (Virtue/Power), Law, Principle, so i guess the the energy forms Dao which is the source of De, Law, Principle

Laws and Concepts are more vague than Information, so without further context they're typically assumed.

However, if you could prove that the Qi/energy is explicit rather than implicit, I would consider that valid proof it's Type 2 Information.

 

[LazyDaoist]

Laws and Concepts are more vague than Information, so without further context they're typically assumed.

However, if you could prove that the Qi/energy is explicit rather than implicit, I would consider that valid proof it's Type 2 Information.

What do you mean explicit?

also only thing i found about Information in the verse is like a creator god throwing "Information of the Universe" for an attack and "the future is derived from all current states and information" i don't if think those are fundamental though

 

[FinePoint]

What do you mean explicit?

also only thing i found about Information in the verse is like a creator god throwing "Information of the Universe" for an attack and "the future is derived from all current states and information" i don't if think those are fundamental though

As I explained before, explicit meaning specific.

Type 2 Information details every aspect of reality.

Type 2 Concepts detail general aspects of reality.

 

[LazyDaoist]

As I explained before, explicit meaning specific.

Type 2 Information details every aspect of reality.

Type 2 Concepts detail general aspects of reality.

Heavenly Dao should at least be Type 1 concept since it is independent from its universe, and is the source of Dharma/Law and Logos/Principle (things like physical law) which is omnipresent in its universe (so it would be Law Manip and Concept Type 2)

But the alteration of Dao can Reality Warp specific aspect, if thats what you mean

Meng Qi smiled as he almost forgot that he had such power after going to the Real World!

He left the temporary karma connection inside the Awakening Celestial Sword and his Divine Sense returned. Then himself sitting on the bed opened his eyes and took a stride. He took out his Tyrant’s Invincible Blade from his sleeve like a purple thunder.

Blade light went through multiple obstacles by the connection and lit up Shang Jiuming’s place. Then a solemn voice rang up:

“By this wave of the blade, void turns weak. The whole world becomes small especially for sending non-living matters.”

“By this wave of the blade, Heaven becomes different from Earth. Magnetic place and matters will be visible all the time.”

Shang Jiuming stared with blank eyes and a confused look. He had no idea what was happening.

What was about this thunder light and voice?

He had a subtle feeling that the world was shaking and something did change but he could not see it clearly.

The stone stele had no aura of that most exotic minerals and produce emit nor a hint of the Dharma and Logos of Nature, as if it was but a mere piece of ordinary rock. Upon it was the simple engraving of an ancient seal script.

“No flowers or herbs of magical and exotic properties of this realm shall achieve sentience.”

“Have you noticed anything peculiar, Master Primogenitor?” Meng Qi asked, glancing at the companion at his side.

The Primogenitor Lingbao shook his head in reply. “Nothing. I did not detect any sign of magic or or the channeling of any energies of Nature. The rock seemed ordinary.”

Such a mysterious seal! The fact that the stone stele held no secrets was the greatest enigma of all!

They walked into another golden door behind the stele. This time, they found themselves before a building. A chamber or a hall of moderate size. In front of the structure, another stele stood. Upon it were words that bore the same tone of indifference.

“There is a part of the ocean that is perpetually turbulent with endless storms of lightning and squalls of merciless winds. Perils await, with hidden vortices and devastating cracks of space and dimension. Sea passage is only open for three months out of the year, after which the routes would be closed off on both sides.”

Meng Qi’s mind was further confused by the inscription on the stone stele. He was certain of one thing though: the messages were like programming protocols set and established by a programmer for a “domain” that he had created!