Immo Type 7

[Frxwins]

does immortal type 7 gain immunity or resistance? if so what is the reason is it because he is a dead creature?

 

[ImmortalDread]

No. He will only gain immortality unless context shows more about it.

 

[Frxwins]

No. He will only gain immortality unless context shows more about it.

so he just got immortality and got no resistance or immunity? but what kind of immortality is the undead, Eternal? reborn?

 

[ImmortalDread]

so he just got immortality and got no resistance or immunity? but what kind of immortality is the undead, Eternal? reborn?

Eternal would be immortality type 1, undead type 7 and reborn (if a context is referring to reincarnation) then type 4)

 

[Frxwins]

Eternal would be immortality type 1, undead type 7 and reborn (if a context is referring to reincarnation) then type 4)

then what is the benefit of type 7 immortality? doesn't an immortal have to give something to make the user immortal

 

[ImmortalDread]

then what is the benefit of type 7 immortality? doesn't an immortal have to give something to make the user immortal

If I now reverse the question to you, what does immortality type 1 gives except immortality? I don't understand this type of question right now.
Why would it grant immunity to death manipulation? You still can negate any immortality, so I don't think you will get immunity unless there is context.

 

[wish]

doesn't an immortal have to give something to make the user immortal

Example?

 

[Frxwins]

If I now reverse the question to you, what does immortality type 1 gives except immortality?

yes that's what i mean, type 1 immortality gives the user immortal, he can live forever. but what is the use of type 7 immortality?

if type 1 immortality grants immortality, and type 3 immortality grants regeneration then what is the benefit of type 7 immortality?

Of the 9 types of immortality that I don't know the benefits of is only type 7 immortality, because in the wiki it doesn't explain anything except that he's a non-dead being because he's technically dead.

 

[ImmortalDread]

No immortality type 3 does not grant someone regeneration, he gets immortality through regeneration.

 

[Frxwins]

No immortality type 3 does not grant someone regeneration, he gets immortality through regeneration.

well whatever it is, but now that we know the benefits of type 1 and 3 immortality, so what are the benefits of having type 7 immortality? what things or benefits do we get until type 7 immortality enters into the type of immortality

 

[Tatsumi504]

well whatever it is, but now that we know the benefits of type 1 and 3 immortality, so what are the benefits of having type 7 immortality? what things or benefits do we get until type 7 immortality enters into the type of immortality

Type 7 is basically type 1 & 2. They live forever and can't die from fatal injuries because they're technically already dead.
Some immortality are just a combination of others.
Like type 9 is just type 8 but reliant on something in a separate dimension, type 7 is basically type 1 & 2 like i said already.

 

[Frxwins]

Type 7 is basically type 1 & 2. They live forever and can't die from fatal injuries because they're technically already dead.
Some immortality are just a combination of others.
Like type 9 is just type 8 but reliant on something in a separate dimension, type 7 is basically type 1 & 2 like i said already.

hmm it makes a little sense because in the explanation it says that these types overlap each other

 

[ImmortalDread]

hmm it makes a little sense because in the explanation it says that these types overlap each other

He definitely did not mean “literal combination”, he wanted to explain to you what is immortality type 7 in easier terms.
I am still iffy why immortality needs immunity or resistance.

 

[Rabbit2002]

From what I know, type 7 is for characters who exist as a spirit/soul because they already dead

 

[Frxwins]

He definitely did not mean “literal combination”, he wanted to explain to you what is immortality type 7 in easier terms.
I am still iffy why immortality needs immunity or resistance.

I'm not saying immortality will get immunity but I'm asking.

to get immunity we have to lack or Transduality. what I'm asking is what is the benefit of having Immortality type 7 if he doesn't gain Resistance or Immunity. since you mentioned that immortality has neither immunity nor resistance, then what is the benefit?

 

[ImmortalDread]

What is the benefit of immortality type 1 except he lives forever, therefore he does not die in old age?
I don't know what is this type of question. Type 7 is simply being already dead, therefore he can't die naturally like us. That's it.
You can't die from just, well, dying and need physical destruction if you're a zombie, or spiritual one if you're like a ghost.
Immort 7 just points out the character being undead, and there's a reason if the description itself says “often overlaps with other types of immortality”.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

then what is the benefit of type 7 immortality? doesn't an immortal have to give something to make the user immortal

That depend on each case.
Some Undead (Immo type 7) could still live without head (immo type 2), some without internal organ (also immo type 2), some can live eternally (Immo type 1), some can regenerate (Immo type 3), some can still live through extreme injury and pain because their pain receptor is dead (Pain resistance), some doesn't have soul (unconventional resistance to soul manip), etc.

Immortality type 7 benefit depends on what has been shown related to the undead status as an undead.
This is the reason Immo type 7 description has this description:

Undead: Characters who cannot die due to technically being already dead, often overlapping with other forms of immortality. This includes characters who can keep existing as spiritual entities upon dying.

 

[ImmortalDread]

My point is that immortality type 7 itself grants no resistance or immunity. In fact, no immortality grants any side effects without context.

 

[Frxwins]

My point is that immortality type 7 itself grants no resistance or immunity. In fact, no immortality grants any side effects without context.

then why is it mentioned in Immortality type 7 that this Character can't die because it's technically dead but can't even resist death manip?

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

then why is it mentioned in Immortality type 7 that this Character can't die because it's technically dead but can't even resist death manip?

They cannot die in this context refer how they cannot die to injury no more because their body already dead.

Death Manip however is whole different thing, Death Manip usually target one's soul and kill it.
Some undead out there has a soul despite dead body.

 

[Frxwins]

if you look into Death Manip it is explained that the easiest application is to instantly kill others by manipulating factors associated with death to make them die.

Death Manip kills someone by manipulating the factors that can make them die

whereas type 7 immortals cannot die because they are technically dead, automatically Death manips will have no effect because normal use of Death manips kills living beings whereas type 7 immortals are not living beings but are dead creatures.

 

[Frxwins]

They cannot die in this context refer how they cannot die to injury no more because their body already dead.

Death Manip however is whole different thing, Death Manip usually target one's soul and kill it.
Some undead out there has a soul despite dead body.

death manip not only kill using soul, death manip can use Bilogic thing

The method varies, however; some users may halt vital biological processes or attack the soul directly.

maybe even wider

 

[Frxwins]

if the Death Manip uses the Biological Manip then Type 7 Immortals should have resistance to it.

if the Undead described is really a Zombie / dead creature whose organs and biological things are technically dead and no longer functioning, then the use of Biological Manip will have no effect

 

[Frxwins]

maybe even wider and not just two like this explanation

Others affect their target on a more abstract level, simply causing them to die for no discernible reason

 

[ImmortalDread]

then why is it mentioned in Immortality type 7 that this Character can't die because it's technically dead but can't even resist death manip?

You are confused. Perhaps, I will clarify it. In that context, it was referring to natural death.
However, for resistance to death manipulation, you need a feat for this. You won't automatically get resistance or immunity to death manipulation.
Being naturally dead and being completely dead are two different topics. Hopes, you don't confuse both.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

death manip not only kill using soul, death manip can use Bilogic thing

The method varies, however; some users may halt vital biological processes or attack the soul directly.

maybe even wider

Again, as I says, keyword: "Usually"

if the Death Manip uses the Biological Manip then Type 7 Immortals should have resistance to it.

if the Undead described is really a Zombie / dead creature whose organs and biological things are technically dead and no longer functioning, then the use of Biological Manip will have no effect

That again need to being judged case by case.
It all came down to feat after all.

 

[Frxwins]

You are confused. Perhaps, I will clarify it. In that context, it was referring to natural death.
However, for resistance to death manipulation, you need a feat for this. You won't automatically get resistance or immunity to death manipulation.
Being naturally dead and being completely dead are two different topics. Hopes, you don't confuse both.

what is the difference between dying naturally and dying completely?

they are both technically dead, even dying as natural as (dead of age) can be called completely dead because they can't come back to life.

or if you have one can you give an example of how a character can die completely?

 

[ImmortalDread]

what is the difference between dying naturally and dying completely?

they are both technically dead, even dying as natural as (dead of age) can be called completely dead because they can't come back to life.

or if you have one can you give an example of how a character can die completely?

Not in this wiki. You can't generalize the whole fiction to this.

Some fictions have different types of dying.

 

[Sniper670]

Are undead immune to death hax?

Well.... Because they're already dead