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Immeasurable speed for time beast and time cycles

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I̶m̶m̶e̶a̶s̶u̶r̶a̶b̶l̶e̶ s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶ :̶ (̶M̶o̶v̶e̶m̶e̶n̶t̶ u̶n̶b̶o̶u̶n̶d̶ f̶r̶o̶m̶ t̶h̶e̶ f̶l̶o̶w̶ o̶f̶ l̶i̶n̶e̶a̶r̶ t̶i̶m̶e̶, w̶h̶i̶c̶h̶ c̶a̶n̶n̶o̶t̶ b̶e̶ m̶e̶a̶s̶u̶r̶e̶d̶. G̶i̶v̶e̶n̶ t̶h̶a̶t̶ S̶ =̶ D̶/T̶, i̶f̶ T̶ i̶s̶ u̶n̶d̶e̶f̶i̶n̶e̶d̶, t̶h̶e̶ s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶ f̶o̶r̶m̶u̶l̶a̶ c̶a̶n̶n̶o̶t̶ b̶e̶ a̶p̶p̶l̶i̶e̶d̶. T̶h̶i̶s̶ i̶s̶ t̶h̶e̶ s̶a̶m̶e̶ r̶e̶a̶s̶o̶n̶ w̶h̶y̶ m̶u̶l̶t̶i̶p̶l̶e̶ t̶e̶m̶p̶o̶r̶a̶l̶ d̶i̶m̶e̶n̶s̶i̶o̶n̶s̶ a̶l̶s̶o̶ g̶r̶a̶n̶t̶ i̶m̶m̶e̶a̶s̶u̶r̶a̶b̶l̶e̶ s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶. H̶e̶r̶e̶ t̶h̶e̶ t̶i̶m̶e̶ b̶e̶a̶s̶t̶s̶ h̶a̶v̶e̶ b̶e̶e̶n̶ s̶h̶o̶w̶n̶ t̶o̶ p̶h̶y̶s̶i̶c̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ t̶r̶a̶v̶e̶l̶ b̶e̶t̶w̶e̶e̶n̶ t̶i̶m̶e̶l̶i̶n̶e̶s̶ t̶h̶r̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ t̶h̶e̶ t̶i̶m̶e̶s̶t̶r̶e̶a̶m̶ w̶i̶t̶h̶ t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ r̶a̶w̶ s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶. W̶h̶i̶c̶h̶ i̶s̶ t̶e̶c̶h̶n̶i̶c̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ t̶r̶a̶v̶e̶l̶i̶n̶g̶ b̶e̶y̶o̶n̶d̶ l̶i̶n̶e̶a̶r̶ t̶i̶m̶e̶ a̶n̶d̶ d̶o̶e̶s̶ q̶u̶a̶l̶i̶f̶y̶ f̶o̶r̶ i̶m̶m̶e̶a̶s̶u̶r̶a̶b̶l̶e̶ s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶. C̶o̶u̶n̶t̶e̶r̶ a̶r̶g̶u̶m̶e̶n̶t̶ :̶ R̶o̶o̶k̶ s̶a̶i̶d̶ t̶h̶a̶t̶ t̶i̶m̶e̶ b̶e̶a̶t̶s̶ m̶o̶v̶e̶ a̶t̶ f̶t̶l̶ s̶o̶ t̶h̶i̶s̶ i̶s̶n̶'t̶ i̶m̶m̶e̶a̶s̶u̶r̶a̶b̶l̶e̶ s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶. A̶n̶s̶w̶e̶r̶ :̶ W̶e̶l̶l̶ t̶h̶e̶ t̶i̶m̶e̶ b̶e̶a̶s̶t̶s̶ d̶o̶n̶'t̶ c̶a̶s̶u̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ t̶r̶a̶v̶e̶l̶ a̶t̶ s̶u̶c̶h̶ h̶i̶g̶h̶ s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶s̶ a̶l̶l̶ t̶i̶m̶e̶. J̶u̶s̶t̶ l̶i̶k̶e̶ i̶n̶ o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ w̶o̶r̶k̶s̶ o̶f̶ f̶i̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ t̶h̶e̶ c̶h̶a̶r̶a̶c̶t̶e̶r̶s̶ d̶o̶n̶'t̶ m̶o̶v̶e̶ a̶t̶ h̶i̶g̶h̶ s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶s̶ e̶a̶c̶h̶ a̶n̶d̶ e̶v̶e̶r̶y̶ t̶i̶m̶e̶ t̶h̶e̶y̶ r̶u̶n̶. F̶o̶r̶ e̶x̶a̶m̶p̶l̶e̶ f̶l̶a̶s̶h̶ f̶r̶o̶m̶ d̶c̶a̶m̶u̶ h̶a̶s̶ b̶e̶e̶n̶ g̶i̶v̶e̶n̶ m̶a̶s̶s̶i̶v̶e̶l̶y̶ h̶y̶p̶e̶r̶s̶o̶n̶i̶c̶+̶ s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶ w̶h̶e̶n̶ r̶u̶n̶n̶i̶n̶g̶ r̶e̶g̶u̶l̶a̶r̶l̶y̶ b̶u̶t̶ i̶m̶m̶e̶a̶s̶u̶r̶a̶b̶l̶e̶ s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶ a̶t̶ h̶i̶s̶ f̶u̶l̶l̶ p̶o̶t̶e̶n̶t̶i̶a̶l̶. A̶n̶d̶ t̶h̶i̶s̶ w̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ m̶a̶k̶e̶ e̶v̶e̶n̶ m̶o̶r̶e̶ s̶e̶n̶s̶e̶ s̶i̶n̶c̶e̶ t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ a̶r̶e̶ m̶f̶t̶l̶+̶ c̶h̶a̶r̶a̶c̶t̶e̶r̶s̶ l̶i̶k̶e̶ s̶u̶g̶i̶l̶i̶t̶e̶, a̶g̶g̶r̶e̶g̶o̶r̶, v̶i̶l̶g̶a̶x̶, e̶t̶c̶ i̶n̶ b̶e̶n̶ 1̶0̶ w̶h̶o̶ d̶i̶d̶n̶'t̶ e̶n̶d̶ u̶p̶ t̶r̶a̶v̶e̶l̶i̶n̶g̶ t̶h̶r̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ l̶i̶n̶e̶a̶r̶ t̶i̶m̶e̶ w̶h̶i̶l̶e̶ t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ f̶l̶i̶g̶h̶t̶. S̶o̶ i̶n̶ c̶o̶n̶c̶l̶u̶s̶i̶o̶n̶ t̶h̶e̶ t̶i̶m̶e̶ b̶e̶a̶s̶t̶s̶ h̶a̶v̶e̶ i̶m̶m̶e̶a̶s̶u̶r̶a̶b̶l̶e̶ s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶ a̶n̶d̶ c̶e̶l̶e̶s̶t̶i̶a̶l̶ s̶a̶p̶i̶e̶n̶s̶ w̶h̶o̶ a̶r̶e̶ t̶h̶e̶ G̶o̶d̶ t̶i̶e̶r̶ b̶e̶i̶n̶g̶s̶ s̶h̶o̶u̶l̶d̶n̶'t̶ b̶e̶ i̶n̶f̶e̶r̶i̶o̶r̶ t̶o̶ t̶h̶e̶m̶. S̶i̶n̶c̶e̶ t̶h̶e̶ c̶e̶l̶e̶s̶t̶i̶a̶l̶ s̶a̶p̶i̶e̶n̶s̶ a̶r̶e̶ r̶e̶f̶e̶r̶r̶e̶d̶ a̶s̶ "o̶m̶n̶i̶p̶o̶t̶e̶n̶t̶" w̶i̶t̶h̶i̶n̶ t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ o̶w̶n̶ v̶e̶r̶s̶e̶, t̶h̶e̶y̶ s̶h̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ a̶l̶s̶o̶ b̶e̶ s̶u̶p̶e̶r̶i̶o̶r̶ t̶o̶ t̶h̶e̶ O̶m̶n̶i̶t̶r̶i̶x̶'s̶ r̶e̶a̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶ w̶h̶i̶c̶h̶ h̶a̶s̶ b̶e̶e̶n̶ a̶c̶c̶e̶p̶t̶e̶d̶ a̶s̶ i̶m̶m̶e̶a̶s̶u̶r̶a̶b̶l̶e̶ s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶ i̶n̶ v̶s̶b̶w̶ [̶M̶E̶D̶I̶A̶=̶y̶o̶u̶t̶u̶b̶e̶]̶p̶3̶H̶z̶I̶6̶x̶p̶J̶c̶c̶[̶/M̶E̶D̶I̶A̶]̶ [̶M̶E̶D̶I̶A̶=̶y̶o̶u̶t̶u̶b̶e̶]̶R̶K̶v̶1̶V̶n̶W̶w̶X̶r̶w̶[̶/M̶E̶D̶I̶A̶]̶ [̶U̶R̶L̶ u̶n̶f̶u̶r̶l̶=̶"t̶r̶u̶e̶"]̶h̶t̶t̶p̶s̶:̶//v̶s̶b̶a̶t̶t̶l̶e̶s̶.f̶a̶n̶d̶o̶m̶.c̶o̶m̶/w̶i̶k̶i̶/F̶l̶a̶s̶h̶̶(̶D̶C̶̶A̶n̶i̶m̶a̶t̶e̶d̶̶M̶o̶v̶i̶e̶s̶)̶[̶/U̶R̶L̶]̶ E̶d̶i̶t̶ :̶ S̶c̶r̶e̶w̶ u̶p̶ t̶h̶e̶ a̶b̶o̶v̶e̶ e̶x̶p̶l̶a̶n̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ a̶n̶d̶ l̶e̶t̶'s̶ f̶o̶c̶u̶s̶ o̶n̶ t̶i̶m̶e̶ b̶e̶a̶s̶t̶s̶ a̶n̶d̶ t̶i̶m̶e̶ c̶y̶c̶l̶e̶s̶ o̶n̶l̶y̶. S̶o̶ f̶i̶r̶s̶t̶ o̶f̶ a̶l̶l̶, h̶e̶r̶e̶'s̶ t̶h̶e̶ d̶e̶f̶i̶n̶i̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ f̶o̶r̶ i̶m̶m̶e̶a̶s̶u̶r̶a̶b̶l̶e̶ s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶ [̶B̶]̶I̶m̶m̶e̶a̶s̶u̶r̶a̶b̶l̶e̶[̶/B̶]̶ (̶M̶o̶v̶e̶m̶e̶n̶t̶ u̶n̶b̶o̶u̶n̶d̶ f̶r̶o̶m̶ t̶h̶e̶ f̶l̶o̶w̶ o̶f̶ l̶i̶n̶e̶a̶r̶ t̶i̶m̶e̶, w̶h̶i̶c̶h̶ c̶a̶n̶n̶o̶t̶ b̶e̶ m̶e̶a̶s̶u̶r̶e̶d̶. G̶i̶v̶e̶n̶ t̶h̶a̶t̶ S̶ =̶ D̶/T̶, i̶f̶ T̶ i̶s̶ u̶n̶d̶e̶f̶i̶n̶e̶d̶, t̶h̶e̶ s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶ f̶o̶r̶m̶u̶l̶a̶ c̶a̶n̶n̶o̶t̶ b̶e̶ a̶p̶p̶l̶i̶e̶d̶. [̶I̶]̶[̶B̶]̶T̶h̶i̶s̶ i̶s̶ t̶h̶e̶ s̶a̶m̶e̶ r̶e̶a̶s̶o̶n̶ w̶h̶y̶ m̶u̶l̶t̶i̶p̶l̶e̶ t̶e̶m̶p̶o̶r̶a̶l̶ d̶i̶m̶e̶n̶s̶i̶o̶n̶s̶ a̶l̶s̶o̶ g̶r̶a̶n̶t̶ i̶m̶m̶e̶a̶s̶u̶r̶a̶b̶l̶e̶ s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶[̶/B̶]̶[̶/I̶]̶. A̶s̶ w̶e̶ k̶n̶o̶w̶ t̶h̶a̶t̶ t̶h̶e̶ B̶e̶n̶ 1̶0̶ [̶U̶R̶L̶=̶'h̶t̶t̶p̶s̶:̶//v̶s̶b̶a̶t̶t̶l̶e̶s̶.f̶a̶n̶d̶o̶m̶.c̶o̶m̶/w̶i̶k̶i̶/B̶e̶n̶̶1̶0̶_̶C̶o̶s̶m̶o̶l̶o̶g̶y̶#̶:̶~̶:̶t̶e̶x̶t̶=̶T̶h̶e̶%̶2̶0̶T̶i̶m̶e̶s̶t̶r̶e̶a̶m̶/C̶r̶o̶s̶s̶t̶i̶m̶e̶%̶2̶0̶i̶s̶,n̶o̶%̶2̶0̶w̶a̶t̶c̶h̶%̶2̶0̶b̶e̶n̶%̶2̶0̶t̶i̶m̶e̶l̶i̶n̶e̶%̶2̶C̶']̶c̶o̶s̶m̶o̶l̶o̶g̶y̶ [̶/U̶R̶L̶]̶ h̶a̶s̶ a̶ h̶y̶p̶e̶r̶t̶i̶m̶e̶ s̶t̶r̶e̶a̶m̶ s̶t̶r̶u̶c̶t̶u̶r̶e̶ w̶h̶i̶c̶h̶ b̶r̶i̶n̶g̶s̶ i̶n̶ a̶n̶ e̶x̶t̶r̶a̶ t̶e̶m̶p̶o̶r̶a̶l̶ d̶i̶m̶e̶n̶s̶i̶o̶n̶ a̶n̶d̶ a̶s̶ h̶i̶g̶h̶l̶i̶g̶h̶t̶e̶d̶ a̶b̶o̶v̶e̶, w̶e̶ k̶n̶o̶w̶ t̶h̶a̶t̶ m̶u̶l̶t̶i̶p̶l̶e̶ t̶e̶m̶p̶o̶r̶a̶l̶ d̶i̶m̶e̶n̶s̶i̶o̶n̶s̶ a̶l̶s̶o̶ g̶r̶a̶n̶t̶ i̶m̶m̶e̶a̶s̶u̶r̶a̶b̶l̶e̶ s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶. N̶o̶w̶ k̶e̶e̶p̶i̶n̶g̶ i̶n̶ m̶i̶n̶d̶, t̶h̶e̶ t̶i̶m̶e̶ b̶e̶a̶s̶t̶s̶ a̶r̶e̶ s̶h̶o̶w̶n̶ t̶o̶ t̶r̶a̶v̶e̶l̶ b̶e̶y̶o̶n̶d̶ t̶h̶a̶t̶ s̶t̶r̶u̶c̶t̶u̶r̶e̶ w̶i̶t̶h̶ s̶h̶e̶e̶r̶ m̶o̶v̶e̶m̶e̶n̶t̶ a̶n̶d̶ n̶o̶t̶ v̶i̶a̶ a̶n̶y̶ t̶i̶m̶e̶ m̶a̶n̶i̶p̶u̶l̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ o̶r̶ t̶e̶c̶h̶n̶i̶q̶u̶e̶, t̶h̶i̶s̶ s̶h̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ g̶r̶a̶n̶t̶ t̶h̶e̶m̶ i̶m̶m̶e̶a̶s̶u̶r̶a̶b̶l̶e̶ s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶.



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Screw up the above explanation and let's focus on time beasts and time cycles only. So first of all, here's the definition for immeasurable speed
Immeasurable (Movement unbound from the flow of linear time, which cannot be measured. Given that S = D/T, if T is undefined, the speed formula cannot be applied. This is the same reason why multiple temporal dimensions also grant immeasurable speed.

As we know that the Ben 10 cosmology has a hypertime stream structure which brings in an extra temporal dimension and as highlighted above, we know that multiple temporal dimensions also grant immeasurable speed. Now keeping in mind, the time beasts are shown to travel beyond that structure with sheer movement and not via any time manipulation or technique, this should grant them immeasurable speed.

Agree : @OMNIVERSAL-KING @NXCHT.66 @AnimesFreak2 @Gendolfgg1 @zaraus @LuffyRuffy46307
@Succw

Agree via scaling above the omnitrix : @LordGriffin1000 @E6pire @Accelerated_Evolution @Reiner04 @DonkeySlayer06
@Lord_Farquaad69420

Disagree : @BrackishBrineBroth @Lord_Farquaad69420 @LordGriffin1000 @Swordsaint456

Neutral : @DonkeySlayer06
 
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Agree FRA
Also the FTL statement is only applicable when speed and gravity are in relation (something from relativity) so there is no explanation even needed (time cycles and time beast can straight travel through hypertimestream due to speed so immesurable speed)
Azmuth aka creator of omnitrix himself called Celestialsapiens all powerful and capable to do anything so obviously they can move at least as fast as omnitrix. This would automatically upgrade their reaction speed, also the only type of movement that omnitrix can have is reaction , so it's obvious that it's speed will apply to all movements of Alien X
 
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Reiner04 said:
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Immeasurable speed Alien X and Paradox

Despite Alien X getting upgraded to tier 1-B, his speed is downplayed to MFTL+ for no reason so here are some good arguments for immeasurable speed Alien X. 1)Here professor paradox states that he has spent a dozen lifetime criss crossing the time stream...
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That was for Alien X and paradox , this CrT is for time cycles, time beast and passively for Alien X
 
Reiner04 said:
Time cycle and time beast were brought as arguments for immeasurable speed for AX. If they're not immeasurable speed then Alien X wouldn't either.
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That wasn't part of main CRT but am argument used in replies
Also it wasn't raised too much and was just a message
 
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DarkDragonMedeus said:
This looks more like just a regular time travel ability; and doesn't seem to be proof that it's Immeasurable scaling to combat speed or reactions.
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Regular time travel ability would be like entering a portal and going in past right on the next side of it. In the clip shown above, the time beats have been shown to move between timelines with their physical movement i.e., using their raw speed and that's what immesurable travel speed would be. A similar example of DCAMU flash has been given who qualifies for immeasurable speed with the same reasoning.
 
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Hellformer said:
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Well the time beasts don't casually travel at such high speeds all time. Just like in other works of fiction the characters don't move at high speeds each and every time they run. For example flash from dcamu has been given massively hypersonic+ speed when running regularly but immeasurable speed at his full potential.
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I will not lie, this doesn´t have much to do with the main purpose of the CRT

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And this would make even more sense since there are mftl+ characters like sugilite, aggregor, vilgax, etc in ben 10 who didn't end up traveling through linear time while their flight.
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MFTL+ starts at 1000x the speed of light and go to any finite number, so this argument doesn´t stands
 
Neutral, leaning towards disagree unless there is a statement that shows it’s speed, since they could only time travel once they used an egg as a powersource
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
I will not lie, this doesn´t have much to do with the main purpose of the CRT
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It does coz the time beast don't move at such absurd speeds everytime
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MFTL+ starts at 1000x the speed of light and go to any finite number, so this argument doesn´t stands
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Ik but the time beasts have been rated FTL only which doesn't seem well enough so had to bring this
 
Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
is there a statement that FTL is the reason they time travel?
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Not really, rook stated once that they move FTL when they fought with a time beast. But he wasn't time traveling at that time. Since there are other MFTL+ feats in ben 10 which didn't end up doing time travel, hence it shouldn't be concluded that their speed caps at FTL only.
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
My thoughts on this haven't changed since the last thread, put me down for disagreeing. Also like before, you shouldn't use characters from other verses as justification be it support or whatever.
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But reasoning is differentamd premise is different as well
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Yeah I'm notnseeing this as immeasurable, just a way to potray travelling through time
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Then how time cycles can break fabric of hypertimestream by touching (I don't see anything besides speed as a reason for this as context shows that Ben wasn't driving with careful speed and in regular way , and if it was timetravel then why it happened randomly without Ben or rook activating time travel or dimensional jump)

And even in clips hell former shared , time beast was "running" on surface of hypertimestream so it isn't time travel but rather speed
 
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