Il Ilah Intelligence, Aladdin range

[Lormac_CC]

Il Ilah Intelligence
Il Ilah is usually treated as nothing but a lump of energy
First, the idea that Il Ilah has no will came from Solomon, he tried to say that history had been rewritten. Then the original dargon said that Il Ilah had no complex personality.
The idea that Il Ilah has no will and can not make deliberate action and choices is just wrong and has been disproven by the series. Il Ilah descend to Alma torran, gave human magic and believed they should be the one to bring peace to the world.
Il Ilah also controlled faith in Alma torran, which is impossible without some sort of intelligence and will. Secondly Solomon made an assumption, he even believed that history was rewritten which is wrong based on what Aladdin showed us. Now the original dragon pointed out that Il Ilah has no complex personality. This I have to agree, but not having a personality doesn't mean a character has no intelligence. It is also very possible to talk with Il Ilah like how one can talk to David/Sinbad. So yeah, I propose that Il Ilah intelligence should be Unknown, possibly Nigh-Omniscience because he basically per-ordained events even human thoughs are decided by him

A World and Range
A world/dimension multi-structured. A world is made up of multiple layers of dimensions, according to Viz and the raws, countless of these dimensions exists. These dimensions are spatial and are no different from where Aladdin and his friends are. These means anyone capable of manipulating vector would be manipulating vectors in a different dimension. Interdimensional range

Il Ilah should also have Dimensional travel

 

[Nierre]

I agree with everything.

Although let it be known that after Solomon took control of the Rukh, the Rukh is not separated through another dimension anymore, but is now within (and around) the bodies of everything.

 

[Tatsumi504]

So yeah, I propose that Il Ilah intelligence should be Unknown, possibly Nigh-Omniscience because he basically per-ordained events even

Agreed, though I'm not really sure about how much of a will or personality he should have.

A world/dimension multi-structured. A world is made up of multiple layers of dimensions, according to Viz and the raws, countless of these dimensions exists. These dimensions are spatial and are no different from where Aladdin and his friends are. These means anyone capable of manipulating vector would be manipulating vectors in a different dimension. Interdimensional range

I'm kinda against the interdimensional range for the very reason that the laws of physics reside in a different dimension but is overlapped with/ dependent on the physical one.

For example, from the way it's described, Aladdin can't manipulate vectors in a different dimension/world (multiple layered) without physically being there because that world too would have its own separate dimension that holds the laws of physics.

Il Ilah should also have Dimensional travel

Spatial manipulation. Unless I'm wrong and dimensional travel doesn't only mean teleporting between dimensions, this is just spatial manipulation. He needs to tear apart space seperating multiple dimensions to reach there.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Agreed

 

[Lormac_CC]

Spatial manipulation

He has Spatial manipulation

I'm kinda against the interdimensional range for the very reason that the laws of physics reside in a different dimension but is overlapped with/ dependent on the physical one.

For example, from the way it's described, Aladdin can't manipulate vectors in a different dimension/world (multiple layered) without physically being there because that world too would have its own separate dimension that holds the laws of physics.

I do get your point here, but I believe Aladdin case still falls under Interdimensional range.

 

[Blackchocolate77]

Agree

 

[Tatsumi504]

He has Spatial manipulation

That's okay then but if you can get dimensional travel through this method then i agree

I do get your point here, but I believe Aladdin case still falls under Interdimensional range

I guess it's okay to add then

 

[ImmortalDread]

Seems uncontroversial to be applied

 

[Antvasima]

Just unknown intelligence with accompanying matter-of-fact explanations should be sufficient. Nigh-Omniscient intelligence is a very extreme statistic, and extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence.

Also, I thought that Interdimensional range means being able to shoot energy bolts from one universe to another, for example.

 

[Lormac_CC]

Nigh-Omniscient intelligence is a very extreme statistic, and extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence.

Well, I believe there are evidence. Il llah knows everything that is to happen because he per ordained everything. So even before an action takes place, he knows what is going to happen. Il llah also knows everyone's thought because well, he is the one controlling it. So even characters like Ugo who are rated Supergenius are basically just doing what Il llah control them do/create.

Also, I thought that Interdimensional range means being able to shoot energy bolts from one universe to another, for example

Yes, you are correct, I believe Aladdin case would fit better in Universal+
Universal+: Attacks and abilities that are able to reach anywhere within a single 4-dimensional space-time continuum.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Universal+: Attacks and abilities that are able to reach anywhere within a single 4-dimensional space-time continuum.

I don't think so? That'll create misunderstandings considering his range is actually smaller than that

 

[Lormac_CC]

I don't think so? That'll create misunderstandings considering his range is actually smaller than that

So how should it be treated?
I can't think of anything

 

[ImmortalDread]

Just unknown intelligence with accompanying matter-of-fact explanations should be sufficient. Nigh-Omniscient intelligence is a very extreme statistic, and extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence.

Also, I thought that Interdimensional range means being able to shoot energy bolts from one universe to another, for example.

I think they are shreds of evidence for nigh-omniscience.

 

[Tatsumi504]

So how should it be treated?
I can't think of anything

Just interdimensional is fine

 

[ImmortalDread]

Ya, interdimensional is fine, possibly omniscience too. (nigh one)

 

[Antvasima]

Just unknown intelligence with accompanying matter-of-fact explanations should be sufficient. Nigh-Omniscient intelligence is a very extreme statistic, and extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence.

Also, I thought that Interdimensional range means being able to shoot energy bolts from one universe to another, for example.

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Would any of you be willing to help out here please?

 

[PrinceofPein]

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Would any of you be willing to help out here please?

Illah should have dimensional travel, as he could move from one dimension to another. Although it was rather breaking in.

Secondly, if we are going to agree that illah has a will, which I don't fully agree with, since there are different statements of him not having a will and statements that hints he does have a will.
If we say he has a will, then he would be nigh omniscient before he lost the sacred palace.
Since he controls the fate of the world at that point.
But it will be "Nigh-omniscient, only in his own world"

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. He would have to be able to process almost all information in existence at the same time to qualify for that statistic though, not just have clairvoyance, precognition, and cosmic awareness, for example.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Okay. He would have to be able to process almost all information in existence at the same time to qualify for that statistic though, not just have clairvoyance, precognition, and cosmic awareness, for example.

I guess there is no proof but technically since the fate of all the world would flow through him, he would know everything, but this is only before he lost the SP

 

[Antvasima]

Well, it seems speculative to me, especially given that he was generally portrayed as virtually mindless.

 

[Nierre]

Il Ilah is definitely a tricky situation.. not sure how his intelligence would be indexed now that I'm thinking about it

 

[Lormac_CC]

Well, it seems speculative to me, especially given that he was generally portrayed as virtually mindless.

I do agree, Il llah is sometimes protrayed as mindless especially during summons at the same time he has been protrayed as one with a mind who is also capable to chatting, controlling people, which is why Unknown, possibly Nigh-omniscient should work

 

[Antvasima]

Il Ilah is definitely a tricky situation.. not sure how his intelligence would be indexed now that I'm thinking about it

Unknown seems like the only safe option to me. We need far more self-evident information before we assign such a very extreme intelligence statistic.

 

[Nierre]

Yes, I can agree with that.

 

[Lormac_CC]

Unknown due to multiple contradictions

 

[Antvasima]

Unknown due to multiple contradictions

Yes, that is fine.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I personally think this is alright.

 

[Elizhaa]

Dimensional Travel seems fine. Unknown intelligence, I think, seems fine unless there is more evidence.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the replies. What we accepted here can probably be applied then.