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Medaka resisted bookmaker's powernull and Iihiko just didnt recognize any of her stuff
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Iihiko vs Warpriest
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Medaka resisted bookmaker's powernull and Iihiko just didnt recognize any of her stuff
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she does not have resistance to power null on her profile. It is possible I missed it with that super clustered page though.
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It's more like
All minuses resist basic power null
Bookmaker nulls all minuses
Ajimu could use some abilities despite being in bookmake (very limited but could still use them).
And Iihiko nulls all those.
All minuses resist basic power null
Bookmaker nulls all minuses
Ajimu could use some abilities despite being in bookmake (very limited but could still use them).
And Iihiko nulls all those.
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Agnaa and I talked about this on discord before and agreed the match probably doesn't work for a few reasons.
Warpriest's own Lawhax functions as a similar "immunity to everything" power. If we assume it's not 4D, it's still backed by killing, and Warpriest has been doing that for billions of years. One card describes how he burned 585 world's in tribute to Oryx. Even to hurt him the PC had to before kill Oryx's son, armies of various species, a ton of other notable individuals, etc (kills are cumulative) and he still is invincible for much of the fight. He can use this same law to kill people, though he starts with just shooting his gun.
Ihiko doesn't seem to resist law to this sort of degree, and as such can't be assumed to avoid it via "lol immune".
Warpriest's own Lawhax functions as a similar "immunity to everything" power. If we assume it's not 4D, it's still backed by killing, and Warpriest has been doing that for billions of years. One card describes how he burned 585 world's in tribute to Oryx. Even to hurt him the PC had to before kill Oryx's son, armies of various species, a ton of other notable individuals, etc (kills are cumulative) and he still is invincible for much of the fight. He can use this same law to kill people, though he starts with just shooting his gun.
Ihiko doesn't seem to resist law to this sort of degree, and as such can't be assumed to avoid it via "lol immune".
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That is not even close to true. Minuses cannot be nulled by All Fiction, and they are considered powers. You are confusing them with StylesOverlord775 said:
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@Wok
Well yes, but Iihiko bypasses defensive skills so the law manip won't be doing much as it will just be ignored. And the potency of the hax on a 3D scale doesn't matter against iihiko as he becomes immune to that specific hax, so the stronger the law hax, the stronger the resistance iihiko will gain to it.
Well yes, but Iihiko bypasses defensive skills so the law manip won't be doing much as it will just be ignored. And the potency of the hax on a 3D scale doesn't matter against iihiko as he becomes immune to that specific hax, so the stronger the law hax, the stronger the resistance iihiko will gain to it.
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Not negate it though, resist it. And i don't see why that is the case, if he can gain resistance to all these:WHYNAUT said:
Causality Manipulation, Heat Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Power Nullification, Biological Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Elemental Manipulation, Magic, Existence Erasure, Fate Manipulation, Reality Warping, Time Manipulation, Probability Manipulation, Void Manipulation, Gravity Manipulation, Death Manipulation, History Manipulation, Evolution Manipulation, Human Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation, Mind Reading, Fire Manipulation, Ice Manipulation, Power Mimicry, Corrosion Inducement, Power Absorption, Perception Manipulation and many other abilities (None of Medaka's or Ajimu's abilities worked on him)
And like over 13 quadrillion more unnamed powers, what makes law so special?
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the fact that it was never negated, much less on the level of WP's law hax
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No in verse examples of non negation pls, it's just potency.
Well yes but as i explained, Iihiko not recognizing a skill gives him resistance to that skill. I mean he will gain resistance (or in the defensive case ignore) "that" law manip. The law manip being 3D, i don't see why it should not be the case. It would be a different story if the law manip had been 4D or above, but as long as it's within the same dimensionality hax works by our standards.
Well yes but as i explained, Iihiko not recognizing a skill gives him resistance to that skill. I mean he will gain resistance (or in the defensive case ignore) "that" law manip. The law manip being 3D, i don't see why it should not be the case. It would be a different story if the law manip had been 4D or above, but as long as it's within the same dimensionality hax works by our standards.
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by the time that Iihiko thinks to try to neg what is basically his own "no u" ability but used by someone else, WP will have just gotten tired of that and just Taken him
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Ok but as i said potency doesn't matter. Scaling high into 3D doesn't mean it's not affectable by 3D hax. Iihiko's 3D hax will still give him resistance cus it's still 3D, that's my point.
The hax being strong didn't stop him from resisting Medaka Kurokami, Misogi Kumagawa, Ajimu Najimi, and the rest of the cast.
And ajimu has star busting skills, which get negged by kumagawa, which get copied, perfected and improved by Medaka which gets modified by hansode, which gets sealed by bookmaker which gets copied by Medaka.
^^ Still didn't stop iihiko from saying lol. As long as it's 3D potency is not important vs iihiko, same as how potency is not important against Yhwach for example (if he sees an ability and understands it, he will be immune to it), or to Medaka (if she hears about an ability she's gonna copy it no matter how strong into 3D the ability is), or to Kars (same as Medaka), or a lot of other examples you can think of.
The hax being strong didn't stop him from resisting Medaka Kurokami, Misogi Kumagawa, Ajimu Najimi, and the rest of the cast.
And ajimu has star busting skills, which get negged by kumagawa, which get copied, perfected and improved by Medaka which gets modified by hansode, which gets sealed by bookmaker which gets copied by Medaka.
^^ Still didn't stop iihiko from saying lol. As long as it's 3D potency is not important vs iihiko, same as how potency is not important against Yhwach for example (if he sees an ability and understands it, he will be immune to it), or to Medaka (if she hears about an ability she's gonna copy it no matter how strong into 3D the ability is), or to Kars (same as Medaka), or a lot of other examples you can think of.
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I do agree with that, it's like sayin that Madara can tank the mindhax of Luke because both are 3-D.
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Not the same. Madara doesn't gain resistance to everything he encounters like Iihiko or Yhwach. It's not the same thing. Im not saying Iihiko will resist Warpriest's hax from what he has resisted before, im saying "He will gain resistance to Warpriest's hax, because his ability allows him to do that". Same for yhwach.Tony di bugalu said:
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This is honestly a massive stomp
even if we say that iihiko can get around the law hax (which he really, really can't), he can't perma-kill WP and WP eventually just gets bored and Takes, something taht Iihiko cannot in any way survive or defend against
even if we say that iihiko can get around the law hax (which he really, really can't), he can't perma-kill WP and WP eventually just gets bored and Takes, something taht Iihiko cannot in any way survive or defend against
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Do you have proof that he can gain resistance to that level? Or that he isn't ****** the first second they use hax? What is thethe best hax he has nulled/tanked? That's what matters.
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All of Medaka Kurokami and Ajimu Najimi's hax. One skill even allows 1 of them to create a universe of unknown size. And you can't really scale how high into 3D it is with abstract stuff.Tony di bugalu said:
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Explain the take and why it would work.Hl3 or bust said:
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Explain the take and why it would work.
Corruption, Law Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation, Reality Warping, Existence Erasure, Mind Manipulation, Body Puppetry and Possession via his ability to Take (The ability to Take passively erases existence in the area around them, which destroys foes and resurrects them as taken subservient to the will of Oryx, Oryx notably is able to Take beings such as the Vex, who are acausal and exist simultaneously at every point in time. Here Oryx's ability to take is referred to as an "ontological weapon", likening it to the Vex Gorgons that can retroactively erase things from time across multiple timelines. Oryx can also use each of these abilities excluding conceptual manipulation, body puppetry, and possession independently from one another in his material form for a variety of different applications, although law manipulation in the material realm is limited otherwise. Before even becoming a god, Auryx's will alone could warp laws)
this minus the concept manip and significantly weaker
it bypasses resistance to mind hax through coercion, is instant and on-thought and is either 2-B or 4D in terms of hax potency
Corruption, Law Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation, Reality Warping, Existence Erasure, Mind Manipulation, Body Puppetry and Possession via his ability to Take (The ability to Take passively erases existence in the area around them, which destroys foes and resurrects them as taken subservient to the will of Oryx, Oryx notably is able to Take beings such as the Vex, who are acausal and exist simultaneously at every point in time. Here Oryx's ability to take is referred to as an "ontological weapon", likening it to the Vex Gorgons that can retroactively erase things from time across multiple timelines. Oryx can also use each of these abilities excluding conceptual manipulation, body puppetry, and possession independently from one another in his material form for a variety of different applications, although law manipulation in the material realm is limited otherwise. Before even becoming a god, Auryx's will alone could warp laws)
this minus the concept manip and significantly weaker
it bypasses resistance to mind hax through coercion, is instant and on-thought and is either 2-B or 4D in terms of hax potency
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I'm not knowledgeable in MB so that doesn't tell me anything. Well, you can measure how strong hax is by the feats it has performed.Firephoenixearl said:
If I tell you X can erase one person but Y can erase 2 you can see a clear scale of power.
With that in mind you can provide proof of how strong the hax used is and how it compares to The Warpiest.
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Not exactly. Im pretty sure Wok has made it painfully clear that Warpriest is not a smurf. So no 4D take.
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uh no
he did not
he did not
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i think you're misremembering that actually, as he says that W40K has no smurfs outside of Emps a lot these days
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And ajimu has star busting skills, which get negged by kumagawa, which get copied, perfected and improved by Medaka which gets modified by hansode, which gets sealed by bookmaker which gets copied by Medaka.Tony di bugalu said:
I don't think i can give anything more without going into stuff that is not accepted like all fiction that stated to erase several universes. So yeah the example above is about as concrete as i can get i think. May come up with something else. But i mean Iihiko did resist all 13 quadrillion skill Ajimu has at the same time and proceeded to 1 shot her.
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star busting skills are just AP, which means nothing when debating hax
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No no. Wok has told me that Warpriest is not a smurf. Which is the reason i made the fight in the first place. If warpriest were a smurf i might as well have gone for oryx.
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The reason you can't compare potency of abstract 3D abilities in fights.Overlord775 said:
And the standards say "as long as it's 3D hax works".
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no
Hax works via scaling chain potency
Warpriest's stuff is above what Iihiko's stuff has shown to null
saying otherwise is NLF
Hax works via scaling chain potency
Warpriest's stuff is above what Iihiko's stuff has shown to null
saying otherwise is NLF
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And that doesn't tell me much.
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Ok explain how high into 3D the lawhax is.
@Overlord not in this case, no. Again think of Yhwach. Yhwach can null Reinhard Heydrich's mind and soul hax (3D, yes he can btw), even if he has never shown anything on that level, still works because it's still within 3D. Yhwach is the closest example of Iihiko's skill i can give, so just check Yhwach's fights and understand what i mean by "if it's 3D our standards allow it". Im serious just go check Yhwach's discussion post and check some of his fights it will help.
@Overlord not in this case, no. Again think of Yhwach. Yhwach can null Reinhard Heydrich's mind and soul hax (3D, yes he can btw), even if he has never shown anything on that level, still works because it's still within 3D. Yhwach is the closest example of Iihiko's skill i can give, so just check Yhwach's fights and understand what i mean by "if it's 3D our standards allow it". Im serious just go check Yhwach's discussion post and check some of his fights it will help.
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Yhwach is one of the most wanked things on the site, so stop making comparations to him
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What exactly is wanked about him?Overlord775 said:
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is law hax really 3-D? I was under the impression that like manipulating a universal law or something.
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Literally everythingSigurd Snake in The Eye said:
people even wank Almighty to the point they say it works on acasual beings
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