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IDW Transformers "possibly 1-A" addition (GRACE)

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One of the wackier threads I've made but whatever. Just something on the back of my mind that I kinda just wanna throw out there. The primary proposal is to tier the Infraspace and I have several evidence as how it connects to the Tree of Life.

First thing we need to cover, what is Infraspace? From what we are given of it within IDW, Infraspace is a realm that exists between life and death, acting as a bridge between both. Characters are often shown to appear within this realm went placed in a near death state, something that has happened a multitude of times within IDW. In addition, Infraspace has several statements of being a purely conceptual realm made of "pure" information. Now, how does any of this equate to the Tree of Life? Well:

- Firstly as mentioned, Infraspace is a realm that exists between both life and death, and as mentioned, characters who are placed in a near death state are sent to this realm. This is particularly important while this means Infraspace clearly exists below the Crown, the highest layer of the Tree of Life, this certainly means that Infraspace would exist above the multiverse/material world. Because as stated in the cosmology blog, we know for a fact that higher dimensional beings experience death the same way regular beings do, meaning Infraspace cannot be some other random realm within the Multiverse. It is also important to remember that the IDW universe is very much a part of the larger Transformers cosmology, as we know from media like Regeneration One, Heart of Darkness and Ask Vector Prime.

- Infraspace has similarities with the lower layers of the Tree of Life, particularly the 5th layer, Understanding and Wisdom. Similar to Infraspace, Understanding and Wisdom also presents itself as a realm of pure information, existing within a conceptual realm above the multiverse. What's also most striking of all, is that both Infraspace and the lower layers of the Tree of Life both act as bridges from the material world to the Afterspark. As we are shown in the story the Tree of Life originates from, Singularity Abyss, the lower layers are transitioning points for Megatron's soul in order to ascend from the material world to the Crown. Quite literally realms between life and death.

- Supporting evidence for this rating, we know that the Enigma, with the help of Soundwave's telepathic capabilities, was able to draw upon the souls of the Afterspark/The Crown and use it empower Optimus Prime within Infraspace. This backs up Infraspace's nature as a metaphysical realm beyond the physical world, and backed up by Shockwave quite literally stating it to have a connection to the Afterspark further proves Infraspace's connection to the Tree of Life.

With all that being said, there is no officially confirmed information on what Infraspace's true nature is, so as of now, the most I'll propose is that with all the evidence presented, Infraspace would be "possibly 1-A" via being scaled to the same level as Understanding and Wisdom (5 layers into 1-A)

Now we've got that out of the way, who scales to this? Not a whole lot. The obvious one is the Matrix, as we are shown it is capable of breaking through and affecting Infraspace, it's safe to place that the Matrix would scale to possibly 1-A. This one is already on the profiles so nothing new, especially with similar artifacts like the Enigma being able to affect Tier 1 realms. Optimus, Nova, and Shockwave are all capable of sending their consciousness into Infraspace, which should grant all of them possibly 1-A range via Astral Projection.
 
Not another tier 1

I will try to look at this when i have time, (probably for another 15 years)
 
Anyway, finished, lol, idk the verse, so if someone opposes this, they need to bring up counterarguments. From what i could see in OP, Possibly 1-A is fine.

Idk the verse so i will not comment on the scaling

Also, you probably should release your cosmology blog as an official page, i remember there is a rule about this or something; Small blogs or calc blogs are fine, but big blog like cosmology need to be an actual page
 
Also, you probably should release your cosmology blog as an official page, i remember there is a rule about this or something; Small blogs or calc blogs are fine, but big blog like cosmology need to be an actual page
I forgot 💔

I'll do that on the weekend.
 
I suppose Possibly 1-A is fine.

Is there a distinction that the realm is "more real" than the lowers ones?
 
I suppose Possibly 1-A is fine.

Is there a distinction that the realm is "more real" than the lowers ones?
I assume you're referring to Infraspace.

We aren't given much indication as to what Infraspace is in relation to the real world, beyond the fact it exists outside the living world entirely and the only thing that ever enters it are the souls of characters in a near death state, or the select few who can project their souls into it.

For the record, no character outside of the Matrix has ever been shown to affect or manipulate Infraspace.
 
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One of the wackier threads I've made but whatever. Just something on the back of my mind that I kinda just wanna throw out there. The primary proposal is to tier the Infraspace and I have several evidence as how it connects to the Tree of Life.

First thing we need to cover, what is Infraspace? From what we are given of it within IDW, Infraspace is a realm that exists between life and death, acting as a bridge between both. Characters are often shown to appear within this realm went placed in a near death state, something that has happened a multitude of times within IDW. In addition, Infraspace has several statements of being a purely conceptual realm made of "pure" information. Now, how does any of this equate to the Tree of Life? Well:

- Firstly as mentioned, Infraspace is a realm that exists between both life and death, and as mentioned, characters who are placed in a near death state are sent to this realm. This is particularly important while this means Infraspace clearly exists below the Crown, the highest layer of the Tree of Life, this certainly means that Infraspace would exist above the multiverse/material world. Because as stated in the cosmology blog, we know for a fact that higher dimensional beings experience death the same way regular beings do, meaning Infraspace cannot be some other random realm within the Multiverse. It is also important to remember that the IDW universe is very much a part of the larger Transformers cosmology, as we know from media like Regeneration One, Heart of Darkness and Ask Vector Prime.

- Infraspace has similarities with the lower layers of the Tree of Life, particularly the 5th layer, Understanding and Wisdom. Similar to Infraspace, Understanding and Wisdom also presents itself as a realm of pure information, existing within a conceptual realm above the multiverse. What's also most striking of all, is that both Infraspace and the lower layers of the Tree of Life both act as bridges from the material world to the Afterspark. As we are shown in the story the Tree of Life originates from, Singularity Abyss, the lower layers are transitioning points for Megatron's soul in order to ascend from the material world to the Crown. Quite literally realms between life and death.

- Supporting evidence for this rating, we know that the Enigma, with the help of Soundwave's telepathic capabilities, was able to draw upon the souls of the Afterspark/The Crown and use it empower Optimus Prime within Infraspace. This backs up Infraspace's nature as a metaphysical realm beyond the physical world, and backed up by Shockwave quite literally stating it to have a connection to the Afterspark further proves Infraspace's connection to the Tree of Life.

With all that being said, there is no officially confirmed information on what Infraspace's true nature is, so as of now, the most I'll propose is that with all the evidence presented, Infraspace would be "possibly 1-A" via being scaled to the same level as Understanding and Wisdom (5 layers into 1-A)

Now we've got that out of the way, who scales to this? Not a whole lot. The obvious one is the Matrix, as we are shown it is capable of breaking through and affecting Infraspace, it's safe to place that the Matrix would scale to possibly 1-A. This one is already on the profiles so nothing new, especially with similar artifacts like the Enigma being able to affect Tier 1 realms. Optimus, Nova, and Shockwave are all capable of sending their consciousness into Infraspace, which should grant all of them possibly 1-A range via Astral Projection.
I've had the same take since March...
 
I assume you're referring to Infraspace.

We aren't given much indication as to what Infraspace is in relation to the real world, beyond the fact it exists outside the living world entirely and the only thing that ever enters it are the souls of characters in a near death state, or the select few who can project their souls into it.

For the record, no character outside of the Matrix has ever been shown to affect or manipulate Infraspace.
Shockwave literally stated that the infraspace is located between the kingdom and kether, that is, within the layers of the tree of life.
 
One of the wackier threads I've made but whatever. Just something on the back of my mind that I kinda just wanna throw out there. The primary proposal is to tier the Infraspace and I have several evidence as how it connects to the Tree of Life.

First thing we need to cover, what is Infraspace? From what we are given of it within IDW, Infraspace is a realm that exists between life and death, acting as a bridge between both. Characters are often shown to appear within this realm went placed in a near death state, something that has happened a multitude of times within IDW. In addition, Infraspace has several statements of being a purely conceptual realm made of "pure" information. Now, how does any of this equate to the Tree of Life? Well:

- Firstly as mentioned, Infraspace is a realm that exists between both life and death, and as mentioned, characters who are placed in a near death state are sent to this realm. This is particularly important while this means Infraspace clearly exists below the Crown, the highest layer of the Tree of Life, this certainly means that Infraspace would exist above the multiverse/material world. Because as stated in the cosmology blog, we know for a fact that higher dimensional beings experience death the same way regular beings do, meaning Infraspace cannot be some other random realm within the Multiverse. It is also important to remember that the IDW universe is very much a part of the larger Transformers cosmology, as we know from media like Regeneration One, Heart of Darkness and Ask Vector Prime.

- Infraspace has similarities with the lower layers of the Tree of Life, particularly the 5th layer, Understanding and Wisdom. Similar to Infraspace, Understanding and Wisdom also presents itself as a realm of pure information, existing within a conceptual realm above the multiverse. What's also most striking of all, is that both Infraspace and the lower layers of the Tree of Life both act as bridges from the material world to the Afterspark. As we are shown in the story the Tree of Life originates from, Singularity Abyss, the lower layers are transitioning points for Megatron's soul in order to ascend from the material world to the Crown. Quite literally realms between life and death.

- Supporting evidence for this rating, we know that the Enigma, with the help of Soundwave's telepathic capabilities, was able to draw upon the souls of the Afterspark/The Crown and use it empower Optimus Prime within Infraspace. This backs up Infraspace's nature as a metaphysical realm beyond the physical world, and backed up by Shockwave quite literally stating it to have a connection to the Afterspark further proves Infraspace's connection to the Tree of Life.

With all that being said, there is no officially confirmed information on what Infraspace's true nature is, so as of now, the most I'll propose is that with all the evidence presented, Infraspace would be "possibly 1-A" via being scaled to the same level as Understanding and Wisdom (5 layers into 1-A)

Now we've got that out of the way, who scales to this? Not a whole lot. The obvious one is the Matrix, as we are shown it is capable of breaking through and affecting Infraspace, it's safe to place that the Matrix would scale to possibly 1-A. This one is already on the profiles so nothing new, especially with similar artifacts like the Enigma being able to affect Tier 1 realms. Optimus, Nova, and Shockwave are all capable of sending their consciousness into Infraspace, which should grant all of them possibly 1-A range via Astral Projection.
I know the verse and I agree with most of the points raised. I think there's more backup to prove it, but yes, the CRT is good.
 
One of the wackier threads I've made but whatever. Just something on the back of my mind that I kinda just wanna throw out there. The primary proposal is to tier the Infraspace and I have several evidence as how it connects to the Tree of Life.

First thing we need to cover, what is Infraspace? From what we are given of it within IDW, Infraspace is a realm that exists between life and death, acting as a bridge between both. Characters are often shown to appear within this realm went placed in a near death state, something that has happened a multitude of times within IDW. In addition, Infraspace has several statements of being a purely conceptual realm made of "pure" information. Now, how does any of this equate to the Tree of Life? Well:

- Firstly as mentioned, Infraspace is a realm that exists between both life and death, and as mentioned, characters who are placed in a near death state are sent to this realm. This is particularly important while this means Infraspace clearly exists below the Crown, the highest layer of the Tree of Life, this certainly means that Infraspace would exist above the multiverse/material world. Because as stated in the cosmology blog, we know for a fact that higher dimensional beings experience death the same way regular beings do, meaning Infraspace cannot be some other random realm within the Multiverse. It is also important to remember that the IDW universe is very much a part of the larger Transformers cosmology, as we know from media like Regeneration One, Heart of Darkness and Ask Vector Prime.

- Infraspace has similarities with the lower layers of the Tree of Life, particularly the 5th layer, Understanding and Wisdom. Similar to Infraspace, Understanding and Wisdom also presents itself as a realm of pure information, existing within a conceptual realm above the multiverse. What's also most striking of all, is that both Infraspace and the lower layers of the Tree of Life both act as bridges from the material world to the Afterspark. As we are shown in the story the Tree of Life originates from, Singularity Abyss, the lower layers are transitioning points for Megatron's soul in order to ascend from the material world to the Crown. Quite literally realms between life and death.

- Supporting evidence for this rating, we know that the Enigma, with the help of Soundwave's telepathic capabilities, was able to draw upon the souls of the Afterspark/The Crown and use it empower Optimus Prime within Infraspace. This backs up Infraspace's nature as a metaphysical realm beyond the physical world, and backed up by Shockwave quite literally stating it to have a connection to the Afterspark further proves Infraspace's connection to the Tree of Life.

With all that being said, there is no officially confirmed information on what Infraspace's true nature is, so as of now, the most I'll propose is that with all the evidence presented, Infraspace would be "possibly 1-A" via being scaled to the same level as Understanding and Wisdom (5 layers into 1-A)

Now we've got that out of the way, who scales to this? Not a whole lot. The obvious one is the Matrix, as we are shown it is capable of breaking through and affecting Infraspace, it's safe to place that the Matrix would scale to possibly 1-A. This one is already on the profiles so nothing new, especially with similar artifacts like the Enigma being able to affect Tier 1 realms. Optimus, Nova, and Shockwave are all capable of sending their consciousness into Infraspace, which should grant all of them possibly 1-A range via Astral Projection.
I agree
 
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