Ichigo Kurosaki vs March 7th (3-2-1)

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Actually, I think I might change my vote to Ichigo. Sonído would allow him to bypass her extrasensory perception even if she can see him. And considering all he needs is one good hit and she doesn't have instinctive actions? That might be GG.

 

[Voidnether]

But would likely to miss since she can't actually see him that well + Ichigo can resist her extrasensory perception

• Extrasensory Perception (As a transcendent being he cannot be sensed by inferior opponents unless he allows it)

The entire point of the ice was attacking in an AOE range, so if it misses there's still a chance.
And that ESP refers to Reiatsu, afaik not Ichigo himself.

 

[Johner2133451]

The entire point of the ice was attacking in an AOE range, so if it misses there's still a chance.
And that ESP refers to Reiatsu, afaik not Ichigo himself.

Pretty sure Ichigo's high skill + the flash step can help him further dodge

• Acrobatics (Hypermobility & Self-Momentum; Is constantly shown to be incredibly agile in multiple situations, such as using Ikkaku's scabbard as leverage or using his enemies' hulking body to jump off of. Against Byakuya Kuchiki, he is able to control his own momentum and inertia when utilizing Flash Step in the blink of an eye. And has utilized an incredibly small corner on the top of a room as footing to attack Shūkurō Tsukishima)

 

[Voidnether]

Actually, I think I might change my vote to Ichigo. Sonído would allow him to bypass her extrasensory perception even if she can see him. And considering all he needs is one good hit and she doesn't have instinctive actions? That might be GG.

If Sonido allows him to teleport into March's blind spot then that's fair (Ichigo would need to amp himself first though).

Else, I believe it's still inconclusive.

Pretty sure Ichigo's high skill + the flash step can help him further dodge

• Acrobatics (Hypermobility & Self-Momentum; Is constantly shown to be incredibly agile in multiple situations, such as using Ikkaku's scabbard as leverage or using his enemies' hulking body to jump off of. Against Byakuya Kuchiki, he is able to control his own momentum and inertia when utilizing Flash Step in the blink of an eye. And has utilized an incredibly small corner on the top of a room as footing to attack Shūkurō Tsukishima)

March has the same abilities, no? I still don't see Ichigo's wincon other than Sonido potentially being able to teleport to her blind spot..

 

[ThanatosX]

I'm sorry, but if Ichigo does have a wincon why was he bloodlusted in the first place? At this point it only gives him an unfair advantage over March to make his win easier. Imho, either both are bloodlusted or none is

 

[Johner2133451]

If Sonido allows him to teleport into March's blind spot then that's fair (Ichigo would need to amp himself first though).

Else, I believe it's still inconclusive.

March has the same abilities, no? I still don't see Ichigo's wincon other than Sonido potentially being able to teleport to her blind spot..

March doesn't have acrobatics or speed amps

 

[Voidnether]

I'm sorry, but if Ichigo does have a wincon why was he bloodlusted in the first place? At this point it only gives him an unfair advantage over March to make his win easier. Imho, either both are bloodlusted or none is

Because Ichigo wouldn't just one-shot March following his in-character.

 

[Johner2133451]

I'm sorry, but if Ichigo does have a wincon why was he bloodlusted in the first place? At this point it only gives him an unfair advantage over March to make his win easier. Imho, either both are bloodlusted or none is

Does March being bloodlusted a factor?

 

[Woomica]

speedblitz, 400x more ap, invisible, better swordsman, more likely to fight...what else does he have?
seriously this one is a bit of a mismatch no?

 

[Johner2133451]

speedblitz, 400x more ap, invisible, better swordsman, more likely to fight...what else does he have?
seriously this one is a bit of a mismatch no?

No cause Void still argues the match would either be incon or March winning

 

[Voidnether]

March doesn't acrobatics or speed amps

Through her ultimate that's hypermobility afaik, she also fought Kafka who has the same abilities that you mentioned (With the help of Trailblazer and Welt). Weird.. Okay then.
For speed amplification, isn't the percentile the same so both characters are still equal in terms of speed?

 

[Voidnether]

No cause Void still argues the match would either be incon or March winning

I never said anything about march winning
All this time, I've been saying that it's inconclusive since both characters had their own wincon that's why I agreed with Lephyr and voted incon.

 

[ThanatosX]

Because Ichigo wouldn't just one-shot March following his in-character.

Typically, bloodlusting a character is used if a character doesn't have any possible wincon that he would use in-character under any situation, so to make it fair they are the only one bloodlusted so they can use their wincon.
Here the wincon is always present, Ichigo will simply not start off with that, but he can use it in-character and in certain situation it is something that he would do. So, bloodlusting only Ichigo just makes a wincon that he already had more likely to be done as a first move, which is a unfair advantage in a Vs match up for me. This is why for me either both are bloodlusted to make the both wincons more likely or it is kinda of a unfair fight.
But whatever, it is just my opinion, so if everyone else this is fine than so be it.

 

[Johner2133451]

Through her ultimate that's hypermobility afaik, she also fought Kafka who has the same abilities that you mentioned (With the help of Trailblazer and Welt). Weird.. Okay then.
For speed amplification, isn't the percentile the same so both characters are still equal in terms of speed?

Hm ok, I think you can make a thread updating March's abilities

Idk, maybe you can ask @ReaperAndBlues

 

[Johner2133451]

I never said anything about march winning
All this time, I've been saying that it's inconclusive since both characters had their own wincon that's why I agreed with Lephyr and voted incon.

Oh ok but Lephyr changed his vote to Ichigo winning tho

Actually, I think I might change my vote to Ichigo. Sonído would allow him to bypass her extrasensory perception even if she can see him. And considering all he needs is one good hit and she doesn't have instinctive actions? That might be GG.

 

[Woomica]

Because Ichigo wouldn't just one-shot March following his in-character.

you know that march isnt much of a fighter either in her character.
he freaking holds bloodlusted feixiao by her legs when she tries to restrain her what do you think she will do it against bloodlusted mf that she cant even see

 

[Voidnether]

speedblitz, 400x more ap, invisible, better swordsman, more likely to fight...what else does he have?
seriously this one is a bit of a mismatch no?

I could argue March can freeze Ichigo through aura only as shown in here since it's on her Ice Manipulation ability but it's like only an Imgur scan that shows the weapons as unusable because of the Ice but that's like saying soul crush gg:


The moment the gap for one-shot exist, it's a mismatch no matter how you look at it

 

[Voidnether]

Oh ok but Lephyr changed his vote to Ichigo winning tho

Yeah but I'm still voting incon, I could vote for Ichigo if Sonido actually teleports him to March's blind spot.

you know that march isnt much of a fighter either in her character.
he freaking holds bloodlusted feixiao by her legs when she tries to restrain her what do you think she will do it against bloodlusted mf that she cant even see

I know that and only Ichigo is bloodlusted so yeahhh............. Honestly this matchup is terrible since the abilities that I mentioned aren't even on the profile

 

[Woomica]

But would likely to miss since she can't actually see him that well + Ichigo can resist her extrasensory perception

• Extrasensory Perception (As a transcendent being he cannot be sensed by inferior opponents unless he allows it)

this is straight up NLF how can you prove she is inferior to ichigo?

 

[Voidnether]

Typically, bloodlusting a character is used if a character doesn't have any possible wincon that he would use in-character under any situation, so to make it fair they are the only one bloodlusted so they can use their wincon.
Here the wincon is always present, Ichigo will simply not start off with that, but he can use it in-character and in certain situation it is something that he would do. So, bloodlusting only Ichigo just makes a wincon that he already had more likely to be done as a first move, which is a unfair advantage in a Vs match up for me. This is why for me either both are bloodlusted to make the both wincons more likely or it is kinda of a unfair fight.
But whatever, it is just my opinion, so if everyone else this is fine than so be it.

Only wincon is through one-shot, so there's that.

 

[Johner2133451]

this is straight up NLF how can you prove she is inferior to ichigo?

Um it's listed in his ability?

It's like Dragon Ball's god ki having resists to extrasensory perception https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Beerus#Resistances

• Extrasensory Perception (Cannot be sensed by beings lesser than a "God")

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

sigh this is the Ichigo match I get. Man. Anywho, Ichigo isn't just amping himself with Sonido and escaping ESP, he also combines it with Bringer Light and Shunpo, so it's 3, yes, 3 blitz amps that he can abuse. Ichigo's Getsuga is also >15 million degrees in heat, and he can (obviously) spam it, so one is toasting her alive. If the distance is 4KM, Ichigo can just shit Getsuga out and he'll in-character enter Bankai which is 460 ZettaFoe, which obviously one shots beyond the concept of doubt.

I'm not interested in this match by the sheer fact that a LOT of Bleach changes will be coming soon, and also, I don't care about the Hoyoverse.

 

[Johner2133451]

sigh this is the Ichigo match I get. Man. Anywho, Ichigo isn't just amping himself with Sonido and escaping ESP, he also combines it with Bringer Light and Shunpo, so it's 3, yes, 3 blitz amps that he can abuse. Ichigo's Getsuga is also >15 million degrees in heat, and he can (obviously) spam it, so one is toasting her alive. If the distance is 4KM, Ichigo can just shit Getsuga out and he'll in-character enter Bankai which is 460 ZettaFoe, which obviously one shots beyond the concept of doubt.

I'm not interested in this match by the sheer fact that a LOT of Bleach changes will be coming soon, and also, I don't care about the Hoyoverse.

So you voting Ichigo? He currently has one from Lephyr while one other vote is counted towards inconclusive by Void

 

[GarrixianXD]

I don't think Ichigo can resist March's extrasensory perception since all of her abilities came from Paths which is 1-A+, so...

 

[Success0906]

If Ichigo has a AP, speed amp, skill advantage, plus he is bloodlusted. What the heck is March supposed to do? The arguments presented here all point towards a stomp for me.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

So you voting Ichigo? He currently has one from Lephyr while one other vote is counted towards inconclusive by Void

I guess. Again, I'm not interested, but Lephyr and my reasons I can get behind to place one down for him.

let's not match him against tier 1 smurfs next time.

 

[Johner2133451]

I don't think Ichigo can resist March's extrasensory perception since all of her abilities came from Paths which is 1-A+, so...

I don't think abilities having higher AP can counter layers

Like how soul crush is always baseline despite can soul crush other soul crush users as it's bound to AP

 

[Johner2133451]

If Ichigo has a AP, speed amp, skill advantage, plus he is bloodlusted. What the heck is March supposed to do? The arguments presented here all point towards a stomp for me.

I never said anything about march winning
All this time, I've been saying that it's inconclusive since both characters had their own wincon that's why I agreed with Lephyr and voted incon.

 

[Voidnether]

If Ichigo has a AP, speed amp, skill advantage, plus he is bloodlusted. What the heck is March supposed to do? The arguments presented here all point towards a stomp for me.

Add it with the fact that some of the abilities I mentioned isn't there on the profile..
Honestly, I give up.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I don't think Ichigo can resist March's extrasensory perception since all of her abilities came from Paths which is 1-A+, so...

So wait ALL of her abilities are 1-A+ in potency/range ?

 

[Voidnether]

Yeah, it's just a terrible matchup looking back at it now

OP, what were you thinking

 

[GarrixianXD]

I don't think abilities having higher AP can counter layers

Like how soul crush is always baseline despite can soul crush other soul crush users as it's bound to AP

Hax abilities are irrelevant to AP until higher-dimensions, 1-A layers, High 1-A layers and tier 0 come into play here. The reason why characters like March 7th have the potential to bypass 1-A barriers is because of their Paths, which are 1-A power sources. A non 1-A resistance is ineffective to things that originate from a 1-A stuff.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I don't think Ichigo can resist March's extrasensory perception since all of her abilities came from Paths which is 1-A+, so...

All her justification for extrasensory perception says is "she sees souls" so uh...

 

[Ebihara]

I really hate HSR smurf hax, makes them feel really poor for matchups IMO.

 

[ThanatosX]

I don't think Ichigo can resist March's extrasensory perception since all of her abilities came from Paths which is 1-A+, so...

Wait, yeah, March is able to see souls, which in the Hoyoverse are conceptual in nature. Her not seeing Ichigo wouldn't make that much sense now that I think about it...

 

[GarrixianXD]

So wait ALL of her abilities are 1-A+ in potency/range ?

Range? No. Potency? Yeah, you can pretty much say that.

 

[Johner2133451]

Yeah, it's just a terrible matchup looking back at it now

OP, what were you thinking

Majority were saying Ichigo is likely to lose in the bleach thread but it seems like they overestimate March's capabilities just because she has outer smurf hax

1A+ ice = GGS.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

If Ichigo has a AP, speed amp, skill advantage, plus he is bloodlusted. What the heck is March supposed to do? The arguments presented here all point towards a stomp for me.

Skill advantage I don't know.

If he isn't bloodlusted, he ain't got a wincon. She legit one shots with any attack because of her 1-A ice lol (this is what was argued on the first page, really convenient now it's being argued a stomp, but whatev) Ichigo in character holds back even against enemies.

If you guys still feel it's a mismatch, I can close this tho.

 

[Voidnether]

All her justification for extrasensory perception says is "she sees souls" so uh...

Souls are 1-A+ so there's that and this matchup is just bad, like real bad. Like, the wincons back then are either March 7th freezing Ichigo or Ichigo one-shots her then we have all this. GG.

 

[GarrixianXD]

All her justification for extrasensory perception says is "she sees souls" so uh...

Tbh I didn't even work on the HSR profiles and whatever fuckery Enryu and Aernasilver pulled out; how does Ichigo's resistance to extrasensory perception works? Does it like to hide his soul or make it abstract or something? Well, souls in Honkai are conceptual anyways...