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speed is =, which as of the last revision includes reaction speed
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Ichibei Hyousube (Bleach) VS Funny Valentine (JOJO)
- Thread starter M_Animefan
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Arcker123
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The flag is the power no? Or at least the catalyst for it. Due to it having a name Ichibe can take it away and thus null it. Ichibe could also just dodge or destroy it with sheer AP. Do you wanna justify why it relies about knowing about the paradox? Ichibe has never stood there and let his opponents touch him. He knows he’s an enemy and would react to the flag because of speed = and destroys or nulls it.
Yomi_Schwarz
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I don't think you can compare clones of Valentine coming to the main universe to him pulling versions of his opponents to the main universe
The clones are cooperative in this regard, Ichibei is not.
Also this is ignoring the fundamentals of how valentine travels to alternate universes.
Even opponents who are relative (if not greater) to ichibei in speed can barely react to senri tsutensho.
Also you don't need to have knowledge of what he can do to circumvent it. Ichibei isn't just gonna stand still and do nothing as valentine lays a flag on top of him. It's out of character and ofc he's easily gonna prevent that from happening.
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ah does it? still means he can react to anything he throws at them
the flag is literally just a flag. any power comes from D4C, which while he can touch, not sure about seeing it. why would Valentine even need to get near him? all he has to do is warp himself to another dimension, grab another Ichibe, and throw it at Ichibe 1.
He did the same with Diego Brando, who was going to kill him before being cut in half with a train during their fight (skill issue ngl), so he can very easily grab someone who wanted to kill him.
Arcker123
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Greater Enhanced Senses/Enhanced Non-Physical Interaction (Souls with High-Perception can see/interact with Spirit ribbons which are invisible/intangible to low ranking souls who can see/interact with Souls)
Ichibe should scale to this and thus be able to see D4C. Funny doesn’t have the AP to forcibly grab another Ichibe and pull them with him on his dimensional hop. Ichibe can just Null Funny and Or D4C anyway and bust the flag with AP.
The difference here is that Brando was 8-C and relative to funny in Ls, Ichibe is High 6-A with class G LS. Unlike Diego, if Ichibe puts up any resistance to funny grabbing him, Ichibe will vaporize him.
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reacting/knowing its coming does not mean u can evade it, especially when the attack covers a massive area
Yomi_Schwarz
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Yeah and that's the case I originally wanted to bring up.
Diego was relative to Valentine and D4C, physically (tier 8). But Ichibei is High 6-A and the gap between the two in physicals is astronomical.
It's nigh-impossible for Valentine to pull Ichibei between two things here.
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he doesn't need to evade it, he's going to go jump himself into another universe.
why would he need to do that? he didn't do it for Diego since he was a little dead at the time.
Yomi_Schwarz
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He still needs to drag them. These two cases of him using it on Diego required him to use physical force.
Implying that just contact is required to dimension hop others goes against how dimension hopping works (being between two things). And you can't compare him dragging diego to him dragging ichibei since ichibei is leagues above him in physicals
He needs to be between two things to do that. He's not just gonna nonchalantly hop into another universe.
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thats him transporting diego with his ability, not him summoning another diego, which are two different things.
He's done it with his jacket and he has his flag which he most of the time uses. there isn't stopping him from doing either option.
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Can't Ichibei just...y'know, use Ichimonji and get rid of all Valentine's powers? (Including his stand, of course)
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So, while I don’t think Valentine will be winning here so far, I’m not sure if the enemy he’s dragging is always going to have the same exact stats as the one he is currently facing. So in the chance that he happens to find an weak version of this guy, he could theoretically toss him. However, the enemy has immor type 8 so...
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i kinda forgot to ask how does that type 8 work?
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fat rip, just out of curiosity does he resurrect right where he dies, or is he psuedo-BFR'd back the palace?
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The type 8 shouldnt work here, Ichibei need someone saying his name to him be able to revive, such as when Yhwach killed him and Ichigo needed to say his name
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thats for him to return instantly, on his own we have no idea if he would take 1 day or more
