Humungousaur Multiplier Removal

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Currently, Humungousaur is accepted as being five times stronger in his enlarged state due to growing five times his standard size. However, this doesn't align with the standards outlined by our Multipliers page.

One should also consider which statistic a multiplier applies to. If a character just gets 10 times more powerful, then that doesn't necessarily means that all of its statistics are multiplied by 10. For example could a fiction in principle have a character become a 10 times more dangerous fighter just by increasing his combat technique, with only minor increases in stats. A more classical scenario is one where a characters strength increases by some multiplier, but their speed is untouched.

We need evidence that a multiplier applies uniformly to other statistics (in this case, that Humungousaur's strength increases to the same degree as his height).

There is no explicit statement that full-size Humungousaur's increase in strength is directionally proportional to increase in size. A statement along the lines of "When Humungousaur gets five times as big, his strength increases fivefold" would make this valid, but as it stands "Large Planet level+" should be removed and replaced with "higher".

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I agree, nuke it

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Currently, Humungousaur is accepted as being five times stronger in his enlarged state due to growing five times his standard size. However, this doesn't align with the standards outlined by our Multipliers page.



We need evidence that a multiplier applies uniformly to other statistics (in this case, that Humungousaur's strength increases to the same degree as his height).

The page does state he does get stronger when he reaches max size under the LS section

higher at full size (Stated by WoG to be stronger than Four Arms at full size. Managed to lift a house and throw it through several other buildings. Supported the weight of a falling Washington Monument. It has been confirmed that Humungousaur can lift a To'kustar)

 

[Damage3245]

I agree with the OP. Should just be changed to 'higher'.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

The page does state he does get stronger when he reaches max size under the LS section

Reread the OP. He obviously gets stronger, what we need is a statement that it's by the same amount as his increase in stature (5x).

Just "he gets stronger" isn't enough for a multiplier.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

@Agnaa @Mr. Bambu @DarkDragonMedeus @Qawsedf234

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Reread the OP. He obviously gets stronger, what we need is a statement that it's by the same amount as his increase in stature (5x).

Just "he gets stronger" isn't enough for a multiplier.

My point is that the 5x statement to his size is connected to his strength increase due to it being supported by his better feats

Like:
5x size amp --> 5x strength amp due to becoming proportionally stronger the bigger he gets

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

My point is that the 5x statement to his size is connected to his strength increase due to it being supported by his better feats

He doesn't have any Ronnaton level feats supporting the 5x multiplier.

Like:
5x size amp --> 5x strength amp due to becoming proportionally stronger the bigger he gets

Again, this needs an explicit statement.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Again, this needs an explicit statement.

We have feats for that instead

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

We have feats for that instead

Show them.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Ben 10 getting the GOW treatment. I had a feeling this was gonna happen. My thoughts follow Damage's

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Show them.

I did earlier. He is said stronger than Four Arms in max size, who is if I recall right, is above normal Hummungousaur, meaning that him getting bigger made him get a boost strength as well

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I did earlier. He is said stronger than Four Arms in max size, who is if I recall right, is above normal Hummungousaur, meaning that him getting bigger made him get a boost strength as well

This proves nothing. He doesn't need to be 5x stronger to be stronger than Four Arms.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

This proves nothing. He doesn't need to be 5x stronger to be stronger than Four Arms.

He litterally did, bc he's weaker when 5x smaller, that's what WOG implies or Im not following something

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Currently, Humungousaur is accepted as being five times stronger in his enlarged state due to growing five times his standard size. However, this doesn't align with the standards outlined by our Multipliers page.



We need evidence that a multiplier applies uniformly to other statistics (in this case, that Humungousaur's strength increases to the same degree as his height).

There is no explicit statement that full-size Humungousaur's increase in strength is directionally proportional to increase in size. A statement along the lines of "When Humungousaur gets five times as big, his strength increases fivefold" would make this valid, but as it stands "Large Planet level+" should be removed and replaced with "higher".

is this literally the only reason

yeah, nuke.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

He litterally did, bc he's weaker when 5x smaller, that's what WOG implies or Im not following something

But he needs a statement that explicitly says he gets 5x stronger, that's what Maverick is saying.

So until that statement is provided, I agree with OP.

 

[Kachon123]

I agree with the OP. A simple higher rating in its place should work.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

He litterally did, bc he's weaker when 5x smaller, that's what WOG implies

Are you not understanding what I'm saying?

Full-sized Humungousaur is stronger than regular size Humungousaur, yes, but just being "stronger" does not justify a 5x multiplier. A 5x multiplier needs to be stated outright.

If you repeat the same argument again I'm just gonna ignore you man.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Agree.

(What's happening? Has everyone attempt to nerf the verse?)

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Agree.

(What's happening? Has everyone attempt to nerf the verse?)

There's a lot of tomfuckery going on with the verse, so now people are jumping to call it out. This is one of those examples

 

[GeneralSol16]

There's a lot of tomfuckery going on with the verse, so now people are jumping to call it out. This is one of those examples

This is the only one that makes sense.
The cosmology one, Clockwork anti feat and Malware durbilitu feat are just bad jokes

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

This is the only one that makes sense.
The cosmology one, Clockwork anti feat and Malware durbilitu feat are just bad jokes

You'll have to take those up with Robo and Damage. But there's also a couple other things going on too.

 

[Dalesean027]

Agree with OP

 

[SunDaGamer]

Yeah the x5 AP multiplier can't be applied without a statement correlating the increase in size with AP, Humongosaur is unquantifiably stronger by sizing up so the "higher" rater fits the bill

 

[Propellus]

Where does the 5x statement come from for the Big Mac sized Humunogaur? I do agree either way

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Where does the 5x statement come from for the Big Mac sized Humunogaur? I do agree either way

Apparently it's not a statement but is deduced from this

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Apparently it's not a statement but is deduced from this

Yeah, that's even worse.

 

[Propellus]

Apparently it's not a statement but is deduced from this

Okay, that's even more concerning. Not sure how anyone could get a 5x jump from this

 

[Damage3245]

Agree.

(What's happening? Has everyone attempt to nerf the verse?)

This is what is happening to the verse:

Spoiler

 

[REX9097]

Literally the absence of Firestorm is literally causing a problem Where people do a downgrade and don't ask Knowledgeable Members in verse to see their opinion, even the creator of this post does not mention Firestorm or even Knowledgeable Members

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Agree with the removal. Inferring a strength multiplier just based on a size increase always felt off to me based on my knowledge of the multiplier standards, but multiple people had told me it was valid and it had been accepted by mods so I just left it be. Since it seems to actually not be though, I’m all for removing it.

If this gets removed then that calls into question the current scaling chain, since there’s two different multiplier scans for Ultimate Humungousaur that only technically didn’t contradict each other because of this multiplier. That can be sorted later after I find that other scan though.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Apparently it's not a statement but is deduced from this

The X5 amp came from his size growth: Base Hymungoaur is 12ft tall, according to writers and videogames info, Max Size Hugh is 60ft tall.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

The X5 amp came from his size growth: Base Hymungoaur is 12ft tall, according to writers and videogames info, Max Size Hugh is 60ft tall.

Can I get a source for him being 12ft at base size?

 

[jgms2008]

This is the only one that makes sense.
The cosmology one, Clockwork anti feat and Malware durbilitu feat are just bad jokes

I disagree, the clockwork one made sense to me.
Indeed I agree with the op

 

[Ezaru]

I was arguing this on the other thread, glad someone else agrees

 

[Propellus]

Try not to derail now.

 

[Ezaru]

Can I get a source for him being 12ft at base size?

Why does it matter? Him getting 5x taller doesn't mean he gets 5x stronger, heck it means he is 125x more massive so why not 125x

 

[Qawsedf234]

@Agnaa @Mr. Bambu @DarkDragonMedeus @Qawsedf234

If the only source of evidence is "grows 5x tallet", then I agree with multiplier removal. You need a statement linking height directly with power or a statement saying he grow 5x stronger.

 

[REX9097]

Can I get a source for him being 12ft at base size?

At least 15ft for now, here stated Vilgax are 15ft and here see Humungousaur are higher than Vilgax if he not same tall.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Can I get a source for him being 12ft at base size?

I have been searching for lt for the last 3 days, I saw lt in a recap of the extra data of the game, which I can't find anymore.