hsr additions and paths

[AlphaOmegaV1]

Alright, I'll get the scans when I'm done editing, since this whole thread is about a hax overhaul of the verse so I just figured why not get that out the way?

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

Ok I'm done, I made the Stellaron it's own specific sub-section of information using the various scans you, myself, and gonzalo provided.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Ok I'm done, I made the Stellaron it's own specific sub-section of information using the various scans you, myself, and gonzalo provided.

where are the abilities tho? am i missing something

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

where are the abilities tho? am i missing something

Oh I thought you said you wanted me to post them in this thread first, my bad. I'll add the abilities now.

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

Alright done, @PedjaTarzan is there anything you would like changed or re-worded or does it look good?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Alright done, @PedjaTarzan is there anything you would like changed or re-worded or does it look good?

good work, can you ask some mods to evaluate this? im kinda tired and i already asked some of them

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

good work, can you ask some mods to evaluate this? im kinda tired and i already asked some of them

Sure thing

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

I went ahead and asked a few mods and posted this on the CRT Promotion thread, so hopefully it'll attract mod attention.

I also went ahead and added Stat Reduction to go alongside Imaginary Imprisonment since slowing the target's speed counts as that.

I want to argue for a new type of NPI for Imaginary Energy: Nonexistence Type 1. Evidence for this lies in both the OP's sandbox and the Aeon Physiology page. Paths are congregations of Imaginary energy, manifested of universal philosophical concepts. Paths are also tied to the Aeon's that they are birthed from, who are Nonexistent in nature.

Edit: Also under "Nihility" Acheron's statistics reduction should be changed to Resistance Negation

 

[FinePoint]

I'm not really knowledgeable enough on the verse to accurately evaluate such a complicated page for a high tier cosmology about it, so I'll avoid nitpicking or asking a thousand questions.

What I will say is that the page itself seems well put-together and the abilities seem to have abundant and reasonable evidence associated with them.

So if there's no objection, I will approve this- understanding that if there's some things I missed due to lack of context it wouldn't be that hard for a supporter to address those specifically.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I'm not really knowledgeable enough on the verse to accurately evaluate such a complicated page for a high tier cosmology about it, so I'll avoid nitpicking or asking a thousand questions.

What I will say is that the page itself seems well put-together and the abilities seem to have abundant and reasonable evidence associated with them.

So if there's no objection, I will approve this- understanding that if there's some things I missed due to lack of context it wouldn't be that hard for a supporter to address those specifically.

well thats all i needed, ill update sandbox to fix some minor errors and thats all i have to do with the page. thanks a lot for evaluation

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

So we only need one more staffs for the approval?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

So we only need one more staffs for the approval?

its not rly a tier 1 thread so idk...

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

well thats all i needed, ill update sandbox to fix some minor errors and thats all i have to do with the page. thanks a lot for evaluation

Bump, also what do you think of this?

I want to argue for a new type of NPI for Imaginary Energy: Nonexistence Type 1. Evidence for this lies in both the OP's sandbox and the Aeon Physiology page. Paths are congregations of Imaginary energy, manifested of universal philosophical concepts. Paths are also tied to the Aeon's that they are birthed from, who are Nonexistent in nature.

Edit: Also under "Nihility" Acheron's statistics reduction should be changed to Resistance Negation

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Bump, also what do you think of this?

its alright to add

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

Ok made the additions. Should Perception Manipulation be added as the Fragmentum scan also mentions Perception being warped by Echos Or should that count as resistance?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

that can be added as resistance on charscters profiles

 

[PedjaTarzan]

ive applied the crt on some pages, given im super tired and super busy tomorrow i can leave this to someone who can do it instead. after that the thread should be closed (dont forget stuff from OP too)

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

Bump

 

[Apotheosis69]

Why does this have Nonduality Type 2... and has Type 1?

 

[FinePoint]

Why does this have Nonduality Type 2... and has Type 1?

One is "eventually".

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Why does this have Nonduality Type 2... and has Type 1?

what are you talking abt?
jokes aside ehh i fixed it i was just super busy and didnt notice

 

[Apotheosis69]

One is "eventually".

Yeah still doesn't make sense at all. Type 2 is for all dualities

what are you talking abt?
jokes aside ehh i fixed it i was just super busy and didnt notice

Gotcha, but for Type 1 you should specify what duality they are. Example: Nonduality (Type 1: Life & Death)

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Yeah still doesn't make sense at all. Type 2 is for all dualities



Gotcha, but for Type 1 you should specify what duality they are. Example: Nonduality (Type 1: Life & Death)

would Positives & Negatives, suffice according to the scan?

 

[Apotheosis69]

Hmm, does it describe what those Positives & Negatives apply to? If so, then I guess it's fine.

But in my Opinion, best to be as specific as possible, to prevent confusion

 

[Voidnether]

Yeah still doesn't make sense at all. Type 2 is for all dualities



Gotcha, but for Type 1 you should specify what duality they are. Example: Nonduality (Type 1: Life & Death)

I mean, if it's just adding the justifications, I probably could do that:

The chain of karma that mortals obsess over is nothing but a rough approximation of the complicated topology behind all things — HooH dissolved THEIR will into the web of logic behind the universe's movement, maintaining the balance and stability of all things in perpetuity.

HooH the Equilibrium. THEY are one of the oldest Aeons. The reason behind THEIR division into two halves remains beyond my comprehension. THEY separate concepts, splitting all beings into an interchangeable duality, thus fusing all "positives" and "negatives" in the universe into an equilibrial whole. THEY are always so symmetrical and so equal.

At the beginning of life, the weight of Existence was placed upon the scales, and the burgeoning of life energy instantly tilted the balance of the universe. But the patience of Equilibrium is unfathomable — given enough time, Existence and Nothingness are destined to attain perfect balance once more, and the balance of universal precepts must be respected.

The Arbitrators admired HooH's ideas, praising THEIR eternal focus and patience. But universal laws have no control over time and space, and mortals can only pursue the beauty of Equilibrium in a secular world by the elimination of radical extremes: beauty and ugliness, joy and sorrow, good and evil, love and hatred — countless opposing concepts were created and interpreted to satisfy the Arbitrators' obsession with a zero-sum universe.

Let me know what do you think about these statements, if we argue it deeper though since HooH fused with the Imaginary Tree. I think that's plausible for Nonduality Type 2 as in Yin-Yang since apparently Yin-Yang governs everything in Honkaiverse (According to Yog's TD3 justifications or the cosmology blog).

I was planning to make a CRT on this but I don't think that's required since we can do this and get staff to re-evaluate about this one specific ability, back then DDM disagreed because the justifications were just this scan:

HooH the Equilibrium. THEY are one of the oldest Aeons. The reason behind THEIR division into two halves remains beyond my comprehension. THEY separate concepts, splitting all beings into an interchangeable duality, thus fusing all "positives" and "negatives" in the universe into an equilibrial whole. THEY are always so symmetrical and so equal.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Hmm that COULD be Type 2. But It might just be multiple dualities of Type 1. like Existence & Nonexistence, Empathy: [Joy && Sorrow, Love & Hate], Good and Evil. And Honestly, that all might just be a subset of the very "Positives and Negatives"

But I was just confused where there was Type 2 And Type 1

 

[Voidnether]

Hmm that COULD be Type 2.

But I was just confused where there was Type 2 And Type 1

I mean it's kinda confusing in how you interpret this specific statement in the first place

THEY separate concepts, splitting all beings into an interchangeable duality, thus fusing all "positives" and "negatives" in the universe into an equilibrial whole.

Like, thus is just therefore so it implies by HooH splitting all beings into an interchangeable duality, he's said to fuse all the positive and negative in the Imaginary Tree into an equilibrial whole. Complex english I'd say, whether this was Nonduality Type 1 because he eventually fused the positive and the negative into an equilibrial whole but again there's the word "thus"..

Atleast it was accepted to be ND1, and ND2 is rejected back then when it was suggested.

"Equilibrial whole" suggests a system or situation where all parts are in a state of balance and stability, and the overall structure or function is maintained by the harmonious interaction of these balanced components. It implies a unified whole where opposing forces are equal, and the system remains stable and unchanging in its essential characteristics.

Should we just rate it as ND1 or ND2 is fine?

 

[Apotheosis69]

I mean it's kinda confusing in how you interpret this specific statement in the first place

How so? Cus how can something eventually be a "Specific Duality", when they already have "General Duality" in the first place?

Like, thus is just therefore so it implies by HooH splitting all beings into an interchangeable duality, he's said to fuse all the positive and negative in the Imaginary Tree into an equilibrial whole. Complex english I'd say, whether this was Nonduality Type 1 because he eventually fused the positive and the negative into an equilibrial whole but again there's the word "thus"..

To me, those scans lead to multiple... "sub-dualities", for lack of a better term, of the "Positives and Negatives", so still Type 1 (Basically has multiple dualities). Still fairly OP

But that likely is for a future CRT

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

I'm confused why fighting Thanatos grants Resistance to death hax and such when the story is literally about how Castorice gained those powers and how it is given by Her sister. Thanatos wasn't able to fully perform her duty to reap souls, and the River of Styx therefore got stuck without people passing on properly.

Could just write it as something she inherently resist for being the representation of it

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I'm confused why fighting Thanatos grants Resistance to death hax and such when the story is literally about how Castorice gained those powers and how it is given by Her sister. Thanatos wasn't able to fully perform her duty to reap souls, and the River of Styx therefore got stuck without people passing on properly

tbh castorice alone resists her own haxxes but just saying she resists because she can is kinda poo poo, and yes both have death hax as they have power of death itself

 

[Voidnether]

How so? Cus how can something eventually be a "Specific Duality", when they already have "General Duality" in the first place?

To me, those scans lead to multiple... "sub-dualities", for lack of a better term, of the "Positives and Negatives", so still Type 1 (Basically has multiple dualities). Still fairly OP

But that likely is for a future CRT

Well, it's because they fused them into one but apparently after looking back at it: I just don't think that seems to be the case now. Given equilibrial whole is just them stabilizing the duality itself instead of fusing them all into one. This also supports the earlier statements, hence the wording "thus".

Imo, positives and negatives are just an analogy since it's just radical extremes. But I wouldn't mind with ND1 as multiple dualities or so

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

tbh castorice alone resists her own haxxes but just saying she resists because she can is kinda poo poo, and yes both have death hax as they have power of death itself

yeah my point just write it as inherent abilities for being the representation of instead of saying she resist thanatos

 

[Apotheosis69]

Well, it's because they fused them into one but apparently after looking back at it: I just don't think that seems to be the case now. Given equilibrial whole is just them stabilizing the duality itself instead of fusing them all into one. This also supports the earlier statements, hence the wording "thus".

Imo, positives and negatives are just an analogy since it's just radical extremes. But I wouldn't mind with ND1 as multiple dualities or so

That "Positives" and "Negatives" are the very source of those dualities right? For all this?

The chain of karma that mortals obsess over is nothing but a rough approximation of the complicated topology behind all things — HooH dissolved THEIR will into the web of logic behind the universe's movement, maintaining the balance and stability of all things in perpetuity.

HooH the Equilibrium. THEY are one of the oldest Aeons. The reason behind THEIR division into two halves remains beyond my comprehension. THEY separate concepts, splitting all beings into an interchangeable duality, thus fusing all "positives" and "negatives" in the universe into an equilibrial whole. THEY are always so symmetrical and so equal.

At the beginning of life, the weight of Existence was placed upon the scales, and the burgeoning of life energy instantly tilted the balance of the universe. But the patience of Equilibrium is unfathomable — given enough time, Existence and Nothingness are destined to attain perfect balance once more, and the balance of universal precepts must be respected.

The Arbitrators admired HooH's ideas, praising THEIR eternal focus and patience. But universal laws have no control over time and space, and mortals can only pursue the beauty of Equilibrium in a secular world by the elimination of radical extremes: beauty and ugliness, joy and sorrow, good and evil, love and hatred — countless opposing concepts were created and interpreted to satisfy the Arbitrators' obsession with a zero-sum universe.

Or is it Literally EVERYTHING as an interdependent system

 

[Voidnether]

That "Positives" and "Negatives" are the very source of those dualities right? For all this?





Or is it Literally EVERYTHING as an interdependent system

It's more of like because HooH splitted all beings into an interchangeable duality, they fused all the positives and negatives in the universe as an equilibrial whole.. Radical extremes there are just basically the positives and negatives that Herta were talking about, and it's countless

That's all I have to say about the statements ngl, how would you list them in the Nonduality section then? Have any idea?

 

[Apotheosis69]

It's more of like because HooH splitted all beings into an interchangeable duality, they fused all the positives and negatives in the universe as an equilibrial whole.. Radical extremes there are just basically the positives and negatives that Herta were talking about, and it's countless

That's all I have to say about the statements ngl, how would you list them in the Nonduality section then? Have any idea?

I think that since those dualities are From that specific "Positives and Negatives" into that whole, it looks more like ND Type 1, but with Multiple Dualities.

So it would be like Nonduality (Type 1: Positives & Negatives [Existence & Nonexistence, Joy & Sorrow, Good & Evil, etc.])... still OP as shit

If you want, you can consult Mods/Admins for this.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Guessing that due to FinePoint liking. They agree with it and can be applied as a Staff vote? Question Mark?

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

Pretty sure they were already counted as a staff vote, we just need one more.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Pretty sure they were already counted as a staff vote, we just need one more.

I meant it as for my message about the ND Type 1. Assuming if it'll be in the CRT OP.

 

[FinePoint]

Guessing that due to FinePoint liking. They agree with it and can be applied as a Staff vote? Question Mark?

I like anything which I feel is constructive to the conversation, polite, or funny.

It's not necessarily if I agree.

 

[Apotheosis69]

I understand, do you agree with my assessment of ND 1 or nah.