How can I make a 5D atom beyond 2-A?

[MightyFrogBeyond]

For my personal cosmology, I have the escalation of power as:

Infinite 3D< 4DSTC ( uni range )< Infinite X 4DSTC ( uni range each )< 5D atom


I assumed anything that’s 5D is automatically above anything a 4DSTC could do.

However, I recently learned that HDE works like this: a 5D tree could contain an uncountably infinite amount of 4DSTC trees but couldn’t contain an uncountably infinite amount of 4DSTC mountains. This is due to the measurements being different.

My question is: is it possible to make a 5D atom be able to be a more impressive feat than destroying an infinite amount of 4DSTCs despite the measurements being off?

 

[Voidnether]

For my personal cosmology, I have the escalation of power as:

Infinite 3D< 4DSTC ( uni range )< Infinite X 4DSTC ( uni range each )< 5D atom


I assumed anything that’s 5D is automatically above anything a 4DSTC could do.

However, I recently learned that HDE works like this: a 5D tree could contain an uncountably infinite amount of 4DSTC trees but couldn’t contain an uncountably infinite amount of 4DSTC mountains. This is due to the measurements being different.

My question is: is it possible to make a 5D atom be able to be a more impressive feat than destroying an infinite amount of 4DSTCs despite the measurements being off?

I mean, the smallest 5 dimensional object is rated as Low 1-C. And obviously, this is way higher even for something like "Infinite" 2-A / Infinite 4 dimensional structure.

 

[MightyFrogBeyond]

I mean, the smallest 5 dimensional object is rated as Low 1-C. And obviously, this is way higher even for something like "Infinite" 2-A / Infinite 4 dimensional structure.

The smallest 5D object couldn’t be rated Low 1-C.
To qualify for any of the tiers requires the range to be at least universal.
So a small 5D object couldn’t be Low 1-C.

 

[Voidnether]

The smallest 5D object couldn’t be rated Low 1-C.
To qualify for any of the tiers requires the range to be at least universal.
So a small 5D object couldn’t be Low 1-C.

Well, if that's the case. I guess it's still 2-A+ but on the sense that it's bigger than infinite 4 dimensional structures..

Also, could I get the source for this? Interesting, I just happen to know this by now.

 

[MightyFrogBeyond]

Well, if that's the case. I guess it's still 2-A+ but on the sense that it's bigger than infinite 4 dimensional structures..

Also, could I get the source for this? Interesting, I just happen to know this by now.

I can’t find where my source for that fact is. It must’ve been on a forum.
Perhaps someone else here can confirm it but for right now, I don’t have evidence.

 

[Berga14]

Well, if that's the case. I guess it's still 2-A+ but on the sense that it's bigger than infinite 4 dimensional structures..

Also, could I get the source for this? Interesting, I just happen to know this by now.

It's stated only in the low 2C explanation, the higher tiers just follow the same logic

 

[MightyFrogBeyond]

It's stated only in the low 2C explanation, the higher tiers just follow the same logic

Is it possible to make a 5D atom be a greater feat than infinite 2-A?

 

[Berga14]

Is it possible to make a 5D atom be a greater feat than infinite 2-A?

Yeah you can just say that uncontable infinite 4D spacetimes can fit in that atom. Or you do somelike:
character A can destroy a 2A multiverse with 1 punch but then when he punches the 5D atom he break his hand due to atom being to durable. It's fiction, you can do whatever you want, don't think to much about the wiki standards if you want to write something.

 

[MightyFrogBeyond]

Yeah you can just say that uncontable infinite 4D spacetimes can fit in that atom. Or you do somelike:
character A can destroy a 2A multiverse with 1 punch but then when he punches the 5D atom he break his hand due to atom being to durable. It's fiction, you can do whatever you want, don't think to much about the wiki standards if you want to write something.

I’ll write around the rules when I am first familiar with the rules.

But what about the analogy in my original post?
I’m told that a 5D atom couldn’t contain an uncountably infinite, let alone infinite amount of 4DSTCs because: the measurements of the container must match the measurements of what’s being contained.

 

[Berga14]

But what about the analogy in my original post?
I’m told that a 5D atom couldn’t contain an uncountably infinite, let alone infinite amount of 4DSTCs because: the measurements of the container must match the measurements of what’s being contained.

Depends, if the 5d atom is as big as our normal atoms then yeah it can't contain 2A universes but you can still do that thing with the durability. But you can make a 5D universe where each 5D atom can contain that amount of 4D universes. In the end everything depends on what you write. You are the autor, you can say that an house can fit into a person and it will be okay, you decide in your story.

 

[MightyFrogBeyond]

Depends, if the 5d atom is as big as our normal atoms then yeah it can't contain 2A universes but you can still do that thing with the durability. But you can make a 5D universe where each 5D atom can contain that amount of 4D universes. In the end everything depends on what you write. You are the autor, you can say that an house can fit into a person and it will be okay, you decide in your story.

I had the same idea: to make a 5D atom the size of an infinite-sized universe. The rest of the 5D universe that the 5D atoms make up would then be even bigger than that.
However I ran into two problems and I hope you can find a solution.
(1) An infinite sized-5D atom ( which is the minimum requirement it has to be able to contain at least one infinite-sized universe ), can not be “smaller” or “bigger” than the 5D universe it makes up. This is due to the 5D atom already being infinite. You can’t multiply or add to infinite. So destroying a 5D atom would be the same as destroying a 5D universe.
(2) I want the 5D atom to be a “restart” to characters.
For example, Character A starts out with only being able to destroy a 5D atom but eventually reaches 5D universal range. Which would then make that character Low 1-C.
But, if my 5D atom already starts out at Low 1-C, I can’t make them reach further beyond it without going to 6D. Which I don’t want yet.

So do you have any solutions to my problem?
I want the 5D atom to be above 2-A but not automatically be Low 1-C.

 

[Berga14]

An infinite sized-5D atom ( which is the minimum requirement it has to be able to contain at least one infinite-sized universe ), can not be “smaller” or “bigger” than the 5D universe it makes up. This is due to the 5D atom already being infinite. You can’t multiply or add to infinite. So destroying a 5D atom would be the same as destroying a 5D universe.

You can add or multiply infinities thought, like i studied this in class.
Some infinities will be bigger than other so your 5D atom will be "finite" in size compared to a infinite 5D universe (which you can make 6D by adding an exclusive time axis for it, atoms still 5D).
Or you can say that even if the atom is finite in size it can still contain a 2A cosmology.

I want the 5D atom to be a “restart” to characters.
For example, Character A starts out with only being able to destroy a 5D atom but eventually reaches 5D universal range. Which would then make that character Low 1-C.
But, if my 5D atom already starts out at Low 1-C, I can’t make them reach further beyond it without going to 6D. Which I don’t want yet.

Well then you can play with durability. I can't exacty imagine a character starting from a 5D atom AP without a previous tier 2 AP.
Something like this:
Character A can destroy infinite 4D universes.
Character A for some reason ends up in this 5D universe and with his strongest attack that can destroy infinite 4D universes can only destroy an atom of the 5D universe.

 

[Flashlight237]

Saying a 5-D atom is 2-A or Low 1-C is like saying the 4-D bubble Finn created in Adventure Time is Low 2-C. The atom wouldn't qualify for any sort of tiering just because of its dimensionality alone. It's just an atom with Higher-Dimensional Existence.

 

[DavidTPPM]

The atom wouldn't qualify for any sort of tiering just because of its dimensionality alone. It's just an atom with Higher-Dimensional Existence.

Could you please explain me how does that work? As far as I understand, the difference between anything 5D is uncountably infinite and the difference between an atom and anything else is at best infinite. So a single atom should in theory be low 1-C

 

[Berga14]

Could you please explain me how does that work? As far as I understand, the difference between anything 5D is uncountably infinite and the difference between an atom and anything else is at best infinite. So a single atom should in theory be low 1-C

A 5D atom is uncontably infinite times bigger than a 4D atom and the 4D atom is uncontably infinite times bigger than a 3D atom.

 

[MightyFrogBeyond]

You can add or multiply infinities thought, like i studied this in class.
Some infinities will be bigger than other so your 5D atom will be "finite" in size compared to a infinite 5D universe (which you can make 6D by adding an exclusive time axis for it, atoms still 5D).
Or you can say that even if the atom is finite in size it can still contain a 2A cosmology.

Well then you can play with durability. I can't exacty imagine a character starting from a 5D atom AP without a previous tier 2 AP.
Something like this:
Character A can destroy infinite 4D universes.
Character A for some reason ends up in this 5D universe and with his strongest attack that can destroy infinite 4D universes can only destroy an atom of the 5D universe.

A finite amount of 5D space being able to contain an uncountably infinite amount of 4DSTCs could work but it still avoids: the escalation power system I want. Let me explain

Example: Character A could destroy an infinite amount of 4DSTCs and fought Character B who could destroy a 5D atom. Character A would always win because even if B has 5D power, the range of that 5D power is the size of an atom, he’d never be able to completely kill Character A.

I’m not a fan of convoluted ways to create a hierarchy like making things more durable as you say. I want my power system to be straightforward
aka 5D automatically > anything 4D.

Do you have any other solutions?.

 

[DavidTPPM]

A 5D atom is uncontably infinite times bigger than a 4D atom and the 4D atom is uncontably infinite times bigger than a 3D atom.

Okay but the difference between a 4D atom and a 4D spacetime continuum is just infinite. And countable infinity is more than infinitely smaller than uncountable infinity.

Being uncountably infinitely bigger than a 4D atom also means it's uncountably bigger than an infinite 4D spacetime continuum so it logically should be low 1-C

 

[DavidTPPM]

The way I always visualized this is by imagining a 2D paper with infinite length and width by no height.

You could stack an infinite amount of these papers on top of each other, then fold them until they're as wide and long as a 3D atom, and they would still be more than infinitely smaller than said atom.

Then if you apply the same concept to any higher dimensions the result will be the same. So as far as I understand, a 5D atom is still low 1-C. Very low in that tier but still within it

 

[MightyFrogBeyond]

The way I always visualized this is by imagining a 2D paper with infinite length and width by no height.

You could stack an infinite amount of these papers on top of each other, then fold them until they're as wide and long as a 3D atom, and they would still be more than infinitely smaller than said atom.

Then if you apply the same concept to any higher dimensions the result will be the same. So as far as I understand, a 5D atom is still low 1-C. Very low in that tier but still within it

The problem is that in order for the 5D atom to contain the infinite amount of 4DSTCs ( each uni is infinite in size ),
The 5D atom would have to be infinite in size in order to match the measurements of the infinite-sized universes/4DSTCs that it is containing.

Being the container=automatically infinite in size.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

As per the standard
any 5D object that does not show any superiority aside from size and dimensionality requires to at least be universal in size or infinite to qualify for a tier in low 1-C

and you can contain infinite 4D object but that doesn't make their container infinite in size in their dimensionality
AKA infinite 4D =/= Container is infinite in 5D
a 5D atom could contain an infinite 4D and still be considered a insignificant 5D size yes it is possible

 

[MightyFrogBeyond]

As per the standard
any 5D object that does not show any superiority aside from size and dimensionality requires to at least be universal in size or infinite to qualify for a tier in low 1-C

I know that rule.

I want to know if there’s a way for a 5D atom to be a superior feat to destroying an infinite amount of 4DSTCs ( each being infinite in size ) even if the 5D atom’s measurements are the same as a regular 3D atom are.
Perhaps this method below can work?

Dimensionality

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In the explanation section, it proves that any 4D object no matter the size, can’t compete with anything 5D due to the area of the former always equaling 0 when placed in a 5D space.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

it can in a sense yes

I want to know if there’s a way for a 5D atom to be a superior feat to destroying an infinite amount of 4DSTCs ( each being infinite in size ) even if the 5D atom’s measurements are the same as a regular 3D atom are.
Perhaps this method below can work?

Dimensionality

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but the atom is merely an atom
It simply has sizes in 5D which the 4D lacks in 1 direction.

As long as you properly establishes how dimensionality works
it will be superior in the sense of being larger
but being only the size of an atom in 3D sense as 5D it will not be considered low 1-C
at best 2-A if proven to contain infinite 4D spacetime continuum despite being insignificant in size

 

[MightyFrogBeyond]

it can in a sense yes

but the atom is merely an atom
It simply has sizes in 5D which the 4D lacks in 1 direction.

As long as you properly establishes how dimensionality works
it will be superior in the sense of being larger
but being only the size of an atom in 3D sense as 5D it will not be considered low 1-C
at best 2-A if proven to contain infinite 4D spacetime continuum despite being insignificant in size

I don’t want the 5D atom to be Low 1-C.
I’ll list what I’m searching for to clear my confusing topic.

(1) I want the 5D atom, despite being the same measurement as a regular 3D atom, to be able to contain an infinite amount of 4DSTCs ( each one is infinite in size ).
(2) I want this same 5D atom being destroyed to be a greater feat than destroying an infinite amount of 4DSTCs ( each infinite in size ).
(3) I want this same 5D atom to NOT be Low 1-C. I want to create a power progression where my character starts off at 5D atom level and eventually reach 5D universal range.

Is all this possible? I assume it is based on your recent comment

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Well, that is very likely not possible in practical sense
because although it is large in one axis it is limited on the other 4 and are of the same size as a 3D atom

Take it like this
you can put a flat paper inside a box when the box is smaller lengthwise
you can but you have to fold it completely else it will not fit lengthwise

you can do the same to the spacetime
but folding a timeline is different from folding a 3D space
it would result in a lot of wormholes and such.

TLDR: it would crush infinite 4DSTC via folding just to fit in it

 

[MightyFrogBeyond]

Well, that is very likely not possible in practical sense
because although it is large in one axis it is limited on the other 4 and are of the same size as a 3D atom

Take it like this
you can put a flat paper inside a box when the box is smaller lengthwise
you can but you have to fold it completely else it will not fit lengthwise

you can do the same to the spacetime
but folding a timeline is different from folding a 3D space
it would result in a lot of wormholes and such.

TLDR: it would crush infinite 4DSTC via folding just to fit in it

Would Character A who can destroy a 5D atom be able to defeat Character B who can destroy an infinite amount of 4DSTCs?
And what of the link I sent? Doesn’t its example of “any lower dimension’s equaling zero” have any way of making my 3 questions work?

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Would Character A who can destroy a 5D atom be able to defeat Character B who can destroy an infinite amount of 4DSTCs?
And what of the link I sent? Doesn’t its example of “any lower dimension’s equaling zero” have any way of making my 3 questions work?

1st: likely? depends. I'd say yes. in most sense and theories
2nd: too long didn't read. but since it is one of the theories it would work. But like I said that explanation does not account for the other 4 sizes which would be way smaller

the same way you can put a pencil on top of a flat paper and it would contain it but not really its depth. you would need a lot of folding as I stated above

 

[MightyFrogBeyond]

1st: likely? depends. I'd say yes. in most sense and theories
2nd: too long didn't read. but since it is one of the theories it would work. But like I said that explanation does not account for the other 4 sizes which would be way smaller

the same way you can put a pencil on top of a flat paper and it would contain it but not really its depth. you would need a lot of folding as I stated above

I understand your analogies about: the 5D atom not being able to contain an infinite amount of something if it’s 4 measurements don’t match the lower object’s 4 measurements .

Would you say there’s someway to make my 3 questions work? I believe there is some theory or explanation that can justify a 5D atom being able to contain the infinite 4DSTCs while still being below Low 1-C.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

I understand your analogies about: the 5D atom not being able to contain an infinite amount of something if it’s 4 measurements don’t match the lower object’s 4 measurements .

Would you say there’s someway to make my 3 questions work? I believe there is some theory or explanation that can justify a 5D atom being able to contain the infinite 4DSTCs while still being below Low 1-C.

I didn't say its not possible
it would be possible but not practical as you would need to squish them and fold them
that's really it
unless you plan to make the 3D axes not as small as 3D atom
you really need to fold and squish

destroying it still qualifies as higher but you'd have to justify it being larger than infinite 4D STC via explanations
and the explanation i give you is one possible way which isn't practical

 

[MightyFrogBeyond]

I didn't say its not possible
it would be possible but not practical as you would need to squish them and fold them
that's really it
unless you plan to make the 3D axes not as small as 3D atom
you really need to fold and squish

destroying it still qualifies as higher but you'd have to justify it being larger than infinite 4D STC via explanations
and the explanation i give you is one possible way which isn't practical

Practical in what way? If you mean the infinite 4DSTCs being destroyed when folded, I’m fine with stating some mystic force protects them.

Destroying the 5D atom ( which is not slow 1-C ) is a higher feat than destroying an infinite amount of 4DSTCs with explanations?
The only explanation I have for this is that the 5D atom being destroyed is still a greater feat because it involves an uncountably infinite amount of 4D objects which by proxy makes it higher than any 4D object even if measurements are taken into account.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Practical in what way? If you mean the infinite 4DSTCs being destroyed when folded, I’m fine with stating some mystic force protects them.

Destroying the 5D atom ( which is not slow 1-C ) is a higher feat than destroying an infinite amount of 4DSTCs with explanations?
The only explanation I have for this is that the 5D atom being destroyed is still a greater feat because it involves an uncountably infinite amount of 4D objects which by proxy makes it higher than any 4D object even if measurements are taken into account.

don't make it uncountable
that makes it low 1-C

Just regular infinite 4D STC works

then you're pretty much set

 

[MightyFrogBeyond]

don't make it uncountable
that makes it low 1-C

Just regular infinite 4D STC works

then you're pretty much set

But my infinite amount of 4DSTCs are constantly creating infinitely more 4DSTCs.
For example, take one 4DSTC where one second has passed. There’s an uncountably infinite amount of numbers between 1 and 2 seconds. And each of those same numbers just spawned an infinite amount of 4DSTCs of their own. And those as well. Etc.

Youre saying if I follow this cosmology, my 5D atom will have to be Low 1-C?

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

well its more so
uncountably infinite 4DSTC is low 1-C due to being uncountable

so yeah that would be low 1-C without necessarily being 5D

 

[MightyFrogBeyond]

well its more so
uncountably infinite 4DSTC is low 1-C due to being uncountable

so yeah that would be low 1-C without necessarily being 5D

So what about my 5D atom?

Can it still be the same measurements as a 3D atom+ be able to contain an uncountably infinite amount of 4DSTCs+ still be a greater feat than regular infinite 4DSTCs+ not be considered Low 1-C ?

 

[Ezaru]

One 5D atom wouldn't be able to contain infinite 4d space times, and especially not uncountably infinite

Because it's x,y and z axis are too small

But it would be able to "contain" uncountably infinite matter in a sense

(Uncountably infinite 4d atoms)

Though that isn't usually used for scaling, destroying a 5d atom isn't usually a "feat"

The issue you seem to have is that if you have an uncountably infinite amount of 4d space times, that's already a 1-C feat, a single 5-d atom isn't going to be over that

 

[DavidTPPM]

The problem is that in order for the 5D atom to contain the infinite amount of 4DSTCs ( each uni is infinite in size ),
The 5D atom would have to be infinite in size in order to match the measurements of the infinite-sized universes/4DSTCs that it is containing.

Why? A single 3D atom could hypothetically bigger than a 2D universe

The way I always visualized this is by imagining a 2D paper with infinite length and width by no height.

You could stack an infinite amount of these papers on top of each other, then fold them until they're as wide and long as a 3D atom, and they would still be more than infinitely smaller than said atom.

Then if you apply the same concept to any higher dimensions the result will be the same. So as far as I understand, a 5D atom is still low 1-C. Very low in that tier but still within it

So why would it be different here?

 

[DavidTPPM]

One 5D atom wouldn't be able to contain infinite 4d space times, and especially not uncountably infinite

Because it's x,y and z axis are too small

X, Y, Z and T axis may be too small but the additional axis is uncountably infinitely bigger so if you fold the infinite 4D STC on itself until it reaches the X, Y, Z, and T size of the atom it will still be smaller than the atom.

The STC being bigger is just an optical illusion

 

[MightyFrogBeyond]

X, Y, Z and T axis may be too small but the additional axis is uncountably infinitely bigger so if you fold the infinite 4D STC on itself until it reaches the X, Y, Z, and T size of the atom it will still be smaller than the atom.

The STC being bigger is just an optical illusion

now that a 5D atom with the same measurements as a 3D atom can contain an uncountably infinite amount of 4DSTCs,
what of the other requirements I want?
(1) is destroying the 5D atom a greater feat than destroying an infinite amount of 4DSTCs ( each one is infinite size )
(2) I want this same 5D atom to NOT be low 1-C, is that possible?

 

[Ezaru]

X, Y, Z and T axis may be too small but the additional axis is uncountably infinitely bigger so if you fold the infinite 4D STC on itself until it reaches the X, Y, Z, and T size of the atom it will still be smaller than the atom.

The STC being bigger is just an optical illusion

Like take the length from the extra axis and add it to the X, y, z, and t axis?

Like taking a cube that's 1m by 1m by 5m and cutting it in half to make it 2m by 2m by 2.5m?

Can you do that?

And why don't curled dimensions count for AP then? Like string theory

 

[DavidTPPM]

now that a 5D atom with the same measurements as a 3D atom can contain an uncountably infinite amount of 4DSTCs,
what of the other requirements I want?
(1) is destroying the 5D atom a greater feat than destroying an infinite amount of 4DSTCs ( each one is infinite size )

As far as I understand, it should be.

(2) I want this same 5D atom to NOT be low 1-C, is that possible?

I don’t think so but you can make up something that doesn't exist in our current scientific understanding, since it's fictional.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Like take the length from the extra axis and add it to the X, y, z, and t axis?

Like taking a cube that's 1m by 1m by 5m and cutting it in half to make it 2m by 2m by 2.5m?

Can you do that?

Yeah hypothetically if you had some reality warping abilities that allow you to split things into infinitely portions of itself you could spread that atom across an infinite distance and still have it be uncountably infinitely greater than a 4D spacetime continuum.

Since you're reducing something uncountably infinite by regular infinity which is inconsequentially small in comparison.