How can I make a 5D atom beyond 2-A?

[MightyFrogBeyond]

For my personal cosmology, I have the escalation of power as:

Infinite 3D< 4DSTC ( uni range )< Infinite X 4DSTC ( uni range each )< 5D atom


I assumed anything that’s 5D is automatically above anything a 4DSTC could do.

However, I recently learned that HDE works like this: a 5D tree could contain an uncountably infinite amount of 4DSTC trees but couldn’t contain an uncountably infinite amount of 4DSTC mountains. This is due to the measurements being different.

My question is: is it possible to make a 5D atom be able to be a more impressive feat than destroying an infinite amount of 4DSTCs despite the measurements being off?

 

[Voidnether]

For my personal cosmology, I have the escalation of power as:

Infinite 3D< 4DSTC ( uni range )< Infinite X 4DSTC ( uni range each )< 5D atom


I assumed anything that’s 5D is automatically above anything a 4DSTC could do.

However, I recently learned that HDE works like this: a 5D tree could contain an uncountably infinite amount of 4DSTC trees but couldn’t contain an uncountably infinite amount of 4DSTC mountains. This is due to the measurements being different.

My question is: is it possible to make a 5D atom be able to be a more impressive feat than destroying an infinite amount of 4DSTCs despite the measurements being off?

I mean, the smallest 5 dimensional object is rated as Low 1-C. And obviously, this is way higher even for something like "Infinite" 2-A / Infinite 4 dimensional structure.

 

[MightyFrogBeyond]

I mean, the smallest 5 dimensional object is rated as Low 1-C. And obviously, this is way higher even for something like "Infinite" 2-A / Infinite 4 dimensional structure.

The smallest 5D object couldn’t be rated Low 1-C.
To qualify for any of the tiers requires the range to be at least universal.
So a small 5D object couldn’t be Low 1-C.

 

[Voidnether]

The smallest 5D object couldn’t be rated Low 1-C.
To qualify for any of the tiers requires the range to be at least universal.
So a small 5D object couldn’t be Low 1-C.

Well, if that's the case. I guess it's still 2-A+ but on the sense that it's bigger than infinite 4 dimensional structures..

Also, could I get the source for this? Interesting, I just happen to know this by now.

 

[MightyFrogBeyond]

Well, if that's the case. I guess it's still 2-A+ but on the sense that it's bigger than infinite 4 dimensional structures..

Also, could I get the source for this? Interesting, I just happen to know this by now.

I can’t find where my source for that fact is. It must’ve been on a forum.
Perhaps someone else here can confirm it but for right now, I don’t have evidence.

 

[Berga14]

Well, if that's the case. I guess it's still 2-A+ but on the sense that it's bigger than infinite 4 dimensional structures..

Also, could I get the source for this? Interesting, I just happen to know this by now.

It's stated only in the low 2C explanation, the higher tiers just follow the same logic

 

[MightyFrogBeyond]

It's stated only in the low 2C explanation, the higher tiers just follow the same logic

Is it possible to make a 5D atom be a greater feat than infinite 2-A?

 

[Berga14]

Is it possible to make a 5D atom be a greater feat than infinite 2-A?

Yeah you can just say that uncontable infinite 4D spacetimes can fit in that atom. Or you do somelike:
character A can destroy a 2A multiverse with 1 punch but then when he punches the 5D atom he break his hand due to atom being to durable. It's fiction, you can do whatever you want, don't think to much about the wiki standards if you want to write something.

 

[MightyFrogBeyond]

Yeah you can just say that uncontable infinite 4D spacetimes can fit in that atom. Or you do somelike:
character A can destroy a 2A multiverse with 1 punch but then when he punches the 5D atom he break his hand due to atom being to durable. It's fiction, you can do whatever you want, don't think to much about the wiki standards if you want to write something.

I’ll write around the rules when I am first familiar with the rules.

But what about the analogy in my original post?
I’m told that a 5D atom couldn’t contain an uncountably infinite, let alone infinite amount of 4DSTCs because: the measurements of the container must match the measurements of what’s being contained.

 

[Berga14]

But what about the analogy in my original post?
I’m told that a 5D atom couldn’t contain an uncountably infinite, let alone infinite amount of 4DSTCs because: the measurements of the container must match the measurements of what’s being contained.

Depends, if the 5d atom is as big as our normal atoms then yeah it can't contain 2A universes but you can still do that thing with the durability. But you can make a 5D universe where each 5D atom can contain that amount of 4D universes. In the end everything depends on what you write. You are the autor, you can say that an house can fit into a person and it will be okay, you decide in your story.

 

[MightyFrogBeyond]

Depends, if the 5d atom is as big as our normal atoms then yeah it can't contain 2A universes but you can still do that thing with the durability. But you can make a 5D universe where each 5D atom can contain that amount of 4D universes. In the end everything depends on what you write. You are the autor, you can say that an house can fit into a person and it will be okay, you decide in your story.

I had the same idea: to make a 5D atom the size of an infinite-sized universe. The rest of the 5D universe that the 5D atoms make up would then be even bigger than that.
However I ran into two problems and I hope you can find a solution.
(1) An infinite sized-5D atom ( which is the minimum requirement it has to be able to contain at least one infinite-sized universe ), can not be “smaller” or “bigger” than the 5D universe it makes up. This is due to the 5D atom already being infinite. You can’t multiply or add to infinite. So destroying a 5D atom would be the same as destroying a 5D universe.
(2) I want the 5D atom to be a “restart” to characters.
For example, Character A starts out with only being able to destroy a 5D atom but eventually reaches 5D universal range. Which would then make that character Low 1-C.
But, if my 5D atom already starts out at Low 1-C, I can’t make them reach further beyond it without going to 6D. Which I don’t want yet.

So do you have any solutions to my problem?
I want the 5D atom to be above 2-A but not automatically be Low 1-C.

 

[Berga14]

An infinite sized-5D atom ( which is the minimum requirement it has to be able to contain at least one infinite-sized universe ), can not be “smaller” or “bigger” than the 5D universe it makes up. This is due to the 5D atom already being infinite. You can’t multiply or add to infinite. So destroying a 5D atom would be the same as destroying a 5D universe.

You can add or multiply infinities thought, like i studied this in class.
Some infinities will be bigger than other so your 5D atom will be "finite" in size compared to a infinite 5D universe (which you can make 6D by adding an exclusive time axis for it, atoms still 5D).
Or you can say that even if the atom is finite in size it can still contain a 2A cosmology.

I want the 5D atom to be a “restart” to characters.
For example, Character A starts out with only being able to destroy a 5D atom but eventually reaches 5D universal range. Which would then make that character Low 1-C.
But, if my 5D atom already starts out at Low 1-C, I can’t make them reach further beyond it without going to 6D. Which I don’t want yet.

Well then you can play with durability. I can't exacty imagine a character starting from a 5D atom AP without a previous tier 2 AP.
Something like this:
Character A can destroy infinite 4D universes.
Character A for some reason ends up in this 5D universe and with his strongest attack that can destroy infinite 4D universes can only destroy an atom of the 5D universe.

 

[Flashlight237]

Saying a 5-D atom is 2-A or Low 1-C is like saying the 4-D bubble Finn created in Adventure Time is Low 2-C. The atom wouldn't qualify for any sort of tiering just because of its dimensionality alone. It's just an atom with Higher-Dimensional Existence.

 

[DavidTPPM]

The atom wouldn't qualify for any sort of tiering just because of its dimensionality alone. It's just an atom with Higher-Dimensional Existence.

Could you please explain me how does that work? As far as I understand, the difference between anything 5D is uncountably infinite and the difference between an atom and anything else is at best infinite. So a single atom should in theory be low 1-C

 

[Berga14]

Could you please explain me how does that work? As far as I understand, the difference between anything 5D is uncountably infinite and the difference between an atom and anything else is at best infinite. So a single atom should in theory be low 1-C

A 5D atom is uncontably infinite times bigger than a 4D atom and the 4D atom is uncontably infinite times bigger than a 3D atom.

 

[MightyFrogBeyond]

You can add or multiply infinities thought, like i studied this in class.
Some infinities will be bigger than other so your 5D atom will be "finite" in size compared to a infinite 5D universe (which you can make 6D by adding an exclusive time axis for it, atoms still 5D).
Or you can say that even if the atom is finite in size it can still contain a 2A cosmology.

Well then you can play with durability. I can't exacty imagine a character starting from a 5D atom AP without a previous tier 2 AP.
Something like this:
Character A can destroy infinite 4D universes.
Character A for some reason ends up in this 5D universe and with his strongest attack that can destroy infinite 4D universes can only destroy an atom of the 5D universe.

A finite amount of 5D space being able to contain an uncountably infinite amount of 4DSTCs could work but it still avoids: the escalation power system I want. Let me explain

Example: Character A could destroy an infinite amount of 4DSTCs and fought Character B who could destroy a 5D atom. Character A would always win because even if B has 5D power, the range of that 5D power is the size of an atom, he’d never be able to completely kill Character A.

I’m not a fan of convoluted ways to create a hierarchy like making things more durable as you say. I want my power system to be straightforward
aka 5D automatically > anything 4D.

Do you have any other solutions?.

 

[DavidTPPM]

A 5D atom is uncontably infinite times bigger than a 4D atom and the 4D atom is uncontably infinite times bigger than a 3D atom.

Okay but the difference between a 4D atom and a 4D spacetime continuum is just infinite. And countable infinity is more than infinitely smaller than uncountable infinity.

Being uncountably infinitely bigger than a 4D atom also means it's uncountably bigger than an infinite 4D spacetime continuum so it logically should be low 1-C

 

[DavidTPPM]

The way I always visualized this is by imagining a 2D paper with infinite length and width by no height.

You could stack an infinite amount of these papers on top of each other, then fold them until they're as wide and long as a 3D atom, and they would still be more than infinitely smaller than said atom.

Then if you apply the same concept to any higher dimensions the result will be the same. So as far as I understand, a 5D atom is still low 1-C. Very low in that tier but still within it

 

[MightyFrogBeyond]

The way I always visualized this is by imagining a 2D paper with infinite length and width by no height.

You could stack an infinite amount of these papers on top of each other, then fold them until they're as wide and long as a 3D atom, and they would still be more than infinitely smaller than said atom.

Then if you apply the same concept to any higher dimensions the result will be the same. So as far as I understand, a 5D atom is still low 1-C. Very low in that tier but still within it

The problem is that in order for the 5D atom to contain the infinite amount of 4DSTCs ( each uni is infinite in size ),
The 5D atom would have to be infinite in size in order to match the measurements of the infinite-sized universes/4DSTCs that it is containing.

Being the container=automatically infinite in size.