How broken is Conceptual Manipulation Type 1?

[Pikaman]

How useful is it in a vs match? Was looking through some potential matches but this looks like it could be trouble. What kind of abilities usually come as part of the package?

 

[Lightning_XXI]

It depends on many details, actually

If it's combat applicable and used to, for example, destroying the concept of your opponent, then it means:

It will negate Durability
It will negate up to Mid Godly Regeneration (Healing both body and soul won't save you)
It will negate many types of Immortality
It may affect multiple people (depends on what concept is being destroyed)

Maybe a few others. It is, without a doubt, a very broken ability

 

[Timeless]

It doesn't have any specified as it is all based of the context of the story. Twin Peaks spirits have Type 3 Conceptual Manipulation but this works at an 1-A level whereas Rimuru Tempest (Web Novel) has Type 1 Conceptual Manipulation but only works at a 2-B level. You could use it to affect and attack conceptual beings, negate many types of immortality, regeneration, and durability. You can also use it to change the way interactions happen in order to make yourself invincible, and shape reality to be whatever you want it to be

 

[Pikaman]

The profile I’m looking at is a 9-B with no justification listed, is it just a really weak variant?

 

[Timeless]

The profile I’m looking at is a 9-B with no justification listed, is it just a really weak variant?

What profile?

 

[Pikaman]

This guy

Sayama Mikoto

Sayama Mikoto is the protagonist of Owari no Chronicle. After the death of his grandfather he is suddenly summoned by the giant corporation IAI. He learns this world is headed for destruction due to the acceleration of the Negative Concepts. To prevent this, negotiations must be undertaken with...

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His stats and skill seem basic enough so I thought with optional equipment restricted he’d be a good fit for facing some verses I’m knowledgable in, but he has Type 1 Conceptual Manip and I saw him on a top 5 non smurf list for 9-B so I think he may be busted

 

[Timeless]

This guy

Sayama Mikoto

Sayama Mikoto is the protagonist of Owari no Chronicle. After the death of his grandfather he is suddenly summoned by the giant corporation IAI. He learns this world is headed for destruction due to the acceleration of the Negative Concepts. To prevent this, negotiations must be undertaken with...

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His stats and skill seem basic enough so I thought with optional equipment restricted he’d be a good fit for facing some verses I’m knowledgable in, but he has Type 1 Conceptual Manip and I saw him on a top 5 non smurf list for 9-B so I think he may be busted

Looking at the verse description, all the humans can manipulate the world at a fundamental to change anything. However, their imagination is limited so it only works at a 9-B level. Yuichi Sakaki (from a different verse) is also 9-B with Type 1 Concept Manip

 

[PsychoWarper]

It appears he can destroy Concepts on a Type 1 level so many if the above stuff applies, thonim uncertain how legit the Type 1 itself is.

 

[Pikaman]

Well say my character is a melee fighter, would they still be able to fight Sayama? He can technically destroy the concept of hand to hand combat but that leaves him without offensive options as well if I am not mistaken? Unless his stat amps are broken ofc, at which point he doesn’t even need his Conceptual Manipulation

 

[DontTalkDT]

Looking at the verse description, all the humans can manipulate the world at a fundamental to change anything. However, their imagination is limited so it only works at a 9-B level. Yuichi Sakaki (from a different verse) is also 9-B with Type 1 Concept Manip

Not all humans of the world, just the UCAT people with their tech. The tech is limited to adding the existing concepts (which can come from other universes that have different concepts) to a small part of the world, though, and they need the data of them to do that. That's what limits them for the most part.
Sayama is a different story, though.

Well say my character is a melee fighter, would they still be able to fight Sayama? He can technically destroy the concept of hand to hand combat but that leaves him without offensive options as well if I am not mistaken? Unless his stat amps are broken ofc, at which point he doesn’t even need his Conceptual Manipulation

While Sayama might technically be able to destroy the concept of hand-to-hand combat I think it's unlikely he would. Messing with the fundamental components of reality like that is not done lightly... especially since he can't reverse it.
However, his universe is one in which no supernatural powers or super-science exists. If someone brings in powers from another universe it's a different story and he will not hesitate to erase the concepts of those. Of course, you better not get hit by the concept erasing beams he can fire either nor get hit by the gloves said beams come from.
His stat amps are not really broken, I would worry more about his range when you play with SBA.

 

[Pikaman]

While Sayama might technically be able to destroy the concept of hand-to-hand combat I think it's unlikely he would. Messing with the fundamental components of reality like that is not done lightly... especially since he can't reverse it.
However, his universe is one in which no supernatural powers or super-science exists. If someone brings in powers from another universe it's a different story and he will not hesitate to erase the concepts of those. Of course, you better not get hit by the concept erasing beams he can fire either nor get hit by the gloves said beams come from.
His stat amps are not really broken, I would worry more about his range when you play with SBA.

So essentially he has concept erasing beams and gloves which work as a pseudo EE and a hefty range? Hmmm might be able to make it work but would need to do some double checking

 

[DontTalkDT]

So essentially he has concept erasing beams and gloves which work as a pseudo EE and a hefty range? Hmmm might be able to make it work but would need to do some double checking

Should be said that if a concept applies to the whole space he is in he just has to swing his hand through the air to erase it. So for the most part you can assume he can conceptually erase all powers without having to hit anything.
He might also be able to erase super strength, unless there's a good scientific explanation for it. Keep that in mind.

 

[Pikaman]

Should be said that if a concept applies to the whole space he is in he just has to swing his hand through the air to erase it. So for the most part you can assume he can conceptually erase all powers without having to hit anything.
He might also be able to erase super strength, unless there's a good scientific explanation for it. Keep that in mind.

Ok, thx, tho I think if he’s capable of one shooting through erasing the concept of... his opponent I guess? Then the match probably doesn’t work out, thanks for taking the time to answer!

 

[Vietthai96]

It is depend on the detail and explaination of the hax. Some outright broken while some is non-offensive like most Conceptual Creation. Anyway depend on the hax application

 

[Le'garde273]

It's literally destroying ur fundamental which why your character normally can exist
I guess