How big is the difference between High 1-B and 1-A?

[TheUnshakableOne]

Is tier 1-A many alephs, cardinals, and/or uncountable infinities greater than High 1-B? I am sorry if this is a dumb question...

 

[Thelastmlg]

Is bigger than infinite times, pretty sure the difference is bigger than 11-C and low 1-A.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Is bigger than infinite times, pretty sure the difference is bigger than 11-C and low 1-A.

so its much larger than uncountably infinite infinities?

 

[Hasty12345]

1-A is considered aleph 2, whilst low 1-A is considered to be aleph 1.

From the tiering system:


Low 1-A | Low Outerverse level: Characters who can universally affect, create and/or destroy structures and expanses of uncountably infinite dimensions, or which have a size roughly analogous to them, such as uncountably infinite sets of hierarchical layers or planes of existence, most specifically ones whose amount of layers is comparable to the set of all real numbers, and are thus equated to the first uncountably infinite cardinal, ℵ1, for simplicity's sake.

Alternatively, this tier can also be assigned to characters who transcend High 1-B structures when no further context regarding the nature of such transcendence is given.

1-A | Outerverse level: Characters who can significantly affect, create and/or destroy realms or states that fully transcend infinitely-layered hierarchies and/or dimensional levels on a conceptual or existential level, normally being portrayed as entirely external abstractions that lie outside of the applications of spatiotemporal dimensionality as a constant defined by physics on any level, even compared to infinite or uncountably infinite dimensions, usually by perceiving them as akin to fiction or something similarly insignificant.

However, do note that a character can qualify for this rating even if their verse does not have an infinitely-layered or equivalent cosmology, as long as it is either stated, shown or left very obvious that the character in question already bypasses the very nature of such structures altogether, in a way that simply "stacking" more of them logically would not allow one to reach their level of power / size.[2]

Mathematically, 1-A has its size represented by further uncountably infinite cardinals beyond useful applications of certain measures (ℵ2 and onwards, most specifically) and can be extended unto greater levels of infinity, representing different complexities or qualitative "steps" on an Outerversal scale, in the same way 1-B and 1-C are divided. Characters who stand an infinite number of steps above "Baseline" Outerversal realms and structures are to have a + modifier in their Attack Potency section (Outerverse level+)

Relevant sections in red.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

1-A is considered aleph 2, whilst low 1-A is considered to be aleph 1.

From the tiering system:


Low 1-A | Low Outerverse level: Characters who can universally affect, create and/or destroy structures and expanses of uncountably infinite dimensions, or which have a size roughly analogous to them, such as uncountably infinite sets of hierarchical layers or planes of existence, most specifically ones whose amount of layers is comparable to the set of all real numbers, and are thus equated to the first uncountably infinite cardinal, ℵ1, for simplicity's sake.

Alternatively, this tier can also be assigned to characters who transcend High 1-B structures when no further context regarding the nature of such transcendence is given.

1-A | Outerverse level: Characters who can significantly affect, create and/or destroy realms or states that fully transcend infinitely-layered hierarchies and/or dimensional levels on a conceptual or existential level, normally being portrayed as entirely external abstractions that lie outside of the applications of spatiotemporal dimensionality as a constant defined by physics on any level, even compared to infinite or uncountably infinite dimensions, usually by perceiving them as akin to fiction or something similarly insignificant.

However, do note that a character can qualify for this rating even if their verse does not have an infinitely-layered or equivalent cosmology, as long as it is either stated, shown or left very obvious that the character in question already bypasses the very nature of such structures altogether, in a way that simply "stacking" more of them logically would not allow one to reach their level of power / size.[2]

Mathematically, 1-A has its size represented by further uncountably infinite cardinals beyond useful applications of certain measures (ℵ2 and onwards, most specifically) and can be extended unto greater levels of infinity, representing different complexities or qualitative "steps" on an Outerversal scale, in the same way 1-B and 1-C are divided. Characters who stand an infinite number of steps above "Baseline" Outerversal realms and structures are to have a + modifier in their Attack Potency section (Outerverse level+)

Relevant sections in red.

please speak in human terms

 

[Hasty12345]

from my understanding, the gap between high 1B and 1-A is the difference between aleph 1 and aleph 2, which I think is larger than the gap between aleph null and aleph 1 which is uncountably infinite I suppose.

So it's like, if we call aleph null "infinite", aleph 1 "uncountably infinite" and label aleph 2 as "super infinite";

If we say the difference between aleph null and aleph 1 is uncountably infinite, then the difference between aleph 1 and aleph 2 is super infinite.

Someone please correct me if I'm worng

 

[Bernkastelll]

please speak in human terms

High 1-B = a infinite layered hierarchy
Low 1-A = a uncountable number of infinite layered hierarchies being stacked
1-A = being inacessible and above any expansion of a Infinite Layered hierarchy, in a way that doesnt matter how much layers exist, it never will reach u

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

What would 1-A+, High 1-A and 0 be?

If I understand right. 1-A+ is transcending 1-A the same way 1-A transcends High 1-B or Low 1-A, and so on and so forth for High 1-A and 0 isn't it?

 

[Bernkastelll]

What would 1-A+, High 1-A and 0 be?

If I understand right. 1-A+ is transcending 1-A the same way 1-A transcends High 1-B or Low 1-A, and so on and so forth for High 1-A and 0 isn't it?

1-A+ = infinite layers of a 1-A hierarchy
High 1-A = being above any expansion of a 1-A hierarchy, in a way that doesnt matter how much 1-A stacked exist, it never will reach u
Tier 0 = being above any expansion of a High 1-A hierarchy, in a way that doesnt matter how much High 1-A stacked, it never will reach u

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Ah so, 0 is basically transcending High 1-A the same way High 1-A transcends 1-A

Is it possible to reach High 1-A with just 1-A without reaching 1-A+

 

[Hasty12345]

What would 1-A+, High 1-A and 0 be?

The way I understand it, and this is why Shinza got it's initial downgrade from high 1-A iirc, is that the difference between 2 outerversal layers is a single aleph.

so baseline outer = aleph 2, 1 layer = aleph 3 etc

 

[Bernkastelll]

Ah so, 0 is basically transcending High 1-A the same way High 1-A transcends 1-A

Yes, kinda

Is it possible to reach High 1-A with just 1-A without reaching 1-A+

I mean, yes, 1-A+ is just to show characters that are on the top of a infinite 1-A hierarchy, but it is not relevant to High 1-A, u can be High 1-A if you are above any expansion of a 1-A hierarchy, in a way that doesnt matter how much 1-A layers exist, u're always above it

 

[Rikimarox2]

For 1-A+, you have to infinite steps above a 1-A structure. Look at 3812, for example. He kept on ascending and ascending, to the point he'll ascend above an endless hierarchy, and as such, be 1-A+

For High 1-A, you just have to be what 1-A is to Low 1-A-High 1-B. Aka, transcend an entire hierarchy to the point no matter how many layers gets added, you'll be above it. Or have enough evidence that you are completely above everything else in your verse to the point you see 1-A beings as equal to humans or smth.

Tier 0 is the same procedure as High 1-A, but you transcend a High 1-A hierarchy instead.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Ah so, 1-A is basically being above any sort of hierarchy, that is pretty much unreachable by any type of hierarchy no matte how stacked it is. And same goes for High 1-A to 1-A and 0 to High 1-A.

Would seeing a 1-A structure as fiction or nothing but a "mere speck of dust" qualify for High 1-A? And same goes for 0 to High 1-A

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Would seeing a 1-A structure as fiction or nothing but a "mere speck of dust" qualify for High 1-A?

That would be just one more layer into 1-A

 

[Bernkastelll]

Ah so, 1-A is basically being above any sort of hierarchy, that is pretty much unreachable by any type of hierarchy no matte how stacked it is. And same goes for High 1-A to 1-A and 0 to High 1-A.

Ye

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Would seeing a 1-A structure as fiction or nothing but a "mere speck of dust" qualify for High 1-A? And same goes for 0 to High 1-A

No, it would just be a transcendence into 1-A, like, if u see a Baseline 1-A as fiction, u would be 1 layer above baseline, same goes for High 1-A and 0

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Is there a simple example of how High 1-A transcends 1-A in any of the profiles?

 

[Hasty12345]

Is there a simple example of how High 1-A transcends 1-A in any of the profiles?

Featherine might be a good example?

simple and umineko in the same sentence

 

[Bernkastelll]

Is there a simple example of how High 1-A transcends 1-A in any of the profiles?

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basically, her High 1-A key is due human domain and the witch domain being nothing to her, she is above any expansion of these realms

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Ah so, viewing those as fictions or speck of dusts would be just 1-A, but viewing it as absolutely nothing would be High 1-A?

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Is there a simple example of how High 1-A transcends 1-A in any of the profiles?

The Twin Peaks upgrade CRT gives you a good example

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

but viewing it as absolutely nothing would be High 1-A?

You need to view the entire hierarchy as such, not just a single 1-A

 

[Hasty12345]

Ah so, viewing those as fictions or speck of dusts would be just 1-A, but viewing it as absolutely nothing would be High 1-A?

I think Featherine is high 1-A for being above the voyagers who are outer+ due to the depths of oblivion (which encompasses the all 3 domains), tbh, Featherine's profile isn't worded that great I don't think

 

[manu_zarri]

1-A = being inacessible and above any expansion of a Infinite Layered hierarchy, in a way that doesnt matter how much layers exist, it never will reach u

1-A is just ℵ2 dimensions

 

[manu_zarri]

the differences for High 1-B and 1-A is
a whole 1 hiearchy of infinite with all his possible expansions, and same thing for tha higher infinite.

aka
ℵ0 and ℵ1, the space between it, and ℵ2 baseline

 

[Bernkastelll]

1-A is just ℵ2 dimensions

the dude asked it in ''human words''

 

[manu_zarri]

the dude asked it in ''human words''

then 2 higher infinites compared to High 1-B

 

[Sus]

1A works like 1B and 1C but on a higher scale, you're not stacking dimensions anymore, you're stacking hierarchies of infinite dimensions