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Hoopa vs Janempa: Battle of the Djinns....Sorta

ProfessorKukui4Life

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Starting off our Tier 3 Pokemon matches bois! And here we have 2 djinn, demon, devil....thingies....hey they got horns, that's good enough of a similarity. And Hoopa needs more battles! OwO

Hoopa Unbound vs Super Janempa

Both are 3-C; Hoopa's summons above 3-C are restricted

Speed is Equalized

Battlefield: DreamLand

Starting Distance Is: 500 meters


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Djinn with 6 arms and wedding rings:

Djinn with muscles:

Inconclusive:
 
From what I can see, Hoopa is baseline, so Janemba should have a decent ap advantage. They also have some similar hax, but Janemba should likely take this in my opinion, his sealing and powernull gives him an advantage and likely just traps hoopa. But I'll wait for more arguments before I vote.
 
Do you remember any good intelligence or skill/strategy feats for hoopa? Like sneaking pokemon from behind or BFRing the enemys attacks
 
Should point out Janemba absolutely will one shot if he hit, he’s very close to multi galactic level. Note I’m not voting yet.
 
How fast does Hoopa go for mind hax, I remember him using it a lot in his movie but there was also plenty of times were he didn’t use it, also I more remember him controlling summoned Pokémon rather than just straight mind manipulating the opponent.

Janemba’a ap advantage is literally high enough that he could slightly poke Hoopa and they instantly explode with zero chance of survival, so Hoopa has to practically instantly win or he dies horribly.

Its late where I live so I’ll watch some of the Hoopa movie again tomorrow morning then vote, but if I remember Hoopa correctly Janemba should just poke for the instant win.
 
Garchomp777 said:
Do you remember any good intelligence or skill/strategy feats for hoopa? Like sneaking pokemon from behind or BFRing the enemys attacks
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Yeah, it frequently used it's hoops to redirect enemy attacks and used it's hoops to attack from other angles in the movie. BFRing Pokémon using it's hoops was also something it did occasionally.
 
do you think Hoopa being the type that he is makes it so that Janemba's punches don't work on him?

(probably a little bit of a stupid argument)
 
Garchomp777 said:
Hoopa unbound is dark type. What stops hoopa from using telekinesis to move away janemba and his attacks
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Janemba’s massive lifting strength advantage. Base beginning of series Goku has class G lifting strength while Janemba upscales from ss3 Goku.

Hoopa’s profile should be reworded to make his typing more clear. It makes it seem like he has his past resistances plus some, rather than Hoopa lossing a lot of abilities.

Since Hoopa isn’t a ghost type Janemba can one poke again.
 
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He can just bfr everything and hoopas mindhax range should be greater than drowzee who can mindhax a city and could bounce its hypnosis off a radar thingy to mindhax the whole island, so due to them starting off 4km away, he can just mindhax Janemba easily. And Hoopa also learns phantom force, though it isn't stated on the profile, its part of dimensional travel sooo yeah hoopa demolishes phantom force can be used to dodge, portals to bfr attacks, long range mindhax
 
Does he open with that though (BFR and mind hax). I know he can do that, but how in character is it for him to do that. Like I remember he bfred a Pokémon in the movie, but he did it once or twice (I need to rewatch the movie) and never did it again. He also mind controlled a lot, but I remember him using that on the Pokémon he summoned, not just directly at an opponent as an opening move.
 
He would though, if willing to kill. And he isn't gonna stand there and let janemba attack him, he would definitely dodge and avoid the attacks, or bfr them. And hoopas summoning works like wish granting, he desires something, he gets something, even if he doesn't know what it is, which is why he could summon pokemon he knew nothing about like pikachu. Most Pokémon have hax that works on janemba

Also hoopa doesn't learn phantom force when unbound, my mistake
 
Yeah, I had the misfortune of watching the hoopa movies, and he only used the mind hax on the summons (and some one dude, but he needed him in order to get out of his bottle), never his opponents. He also didn't summon the summons until he got pissed off IIRC, BFR was to get rid of a lugia because it was doing a lot of damage and the other BFR was to transport some sand I think. Besides that, he kinda just grabbed a bunch of shit and yeeted them around.
 
Garchomp777 said:
He would though, if willing to kill. And he isn't gonna stand there and let janemba attack him, he would definitely dodge and avoid the attacks, or bfr them. And hoopas summoning works like wish granting, he desires something, he gets something, even if he doesn't know what it is, which is why he could summon pokemon he knew nothing about like pikachu. Most Pokémon have hax that works on janemba

Also hoopa doesn't learn phantom force when unbound, my mistake
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Him being willing to kill doesn’t change his character, it just means he will kill if he wants too.

I just also rewatched some of the movie to clarify something. Hoopa’s BFR of attacks only covers the area around his hand, while the dimension sword standard equipment for Janemba. Janemba is going to be able to just swing his sword wildly and due to Hoopa’s massive size he won’t be able to bfr all the parts of the attack that would hit him. His only hope of not dying is teleporting out of the way. If he goes for teleportating the attack he dies horribly.
 
IIRC, we did see regular hoopa fight in the beginning of that shit show, and redirected attacks from Kyogre and groudon and then BFRed them when they range attacked him
 
Ok so BFR seems to be in character, though I just remembered not only can Janemba teleport, but he also sometimes just straight spams it, and Hoopa’s BFR requires you going through a portal to work. Plus Janemba literally pulls the same BFR of attacks Hoopa does, so Hoopa doing it wouldn’t be new to him at all.
 
I know that since this is my thread, I can't really comment much here. But I would like to clear up some things here regarding Hoopa.

Garchomp777 said:
Do you remember any good intelligence or skill/strategy feats for hoopa? Like sneaking pokemon from behind or BFRing the enemys attacks
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In the beginning part of the movie, he shows stuff like this. When battling Kyogre and Groudon, he used his rings to send one of Groudons attacks through the rings and redirected it at Kyogre.

And when stomping Reshiram, Zekrom, and Regigigas, he blasted them into his rings with dark pulse to BFR them away (even having one of his rings appear under Regigigas).

So its not an impossibility for Hoopa to do things like this with his rings.

Keeweed said:
How fast does Hoopa go for mind hax, I remember him using it a lot in his movie but there was also plenty of times were he didn’t use it, also I more remember him controlling summoned Pokémon rather than just straight mind manipulating the opponent.

Janemba’a ap advantage is literally high enough that he could slightly poke Hoopa and they instantly explode with zero chance of survival, so Hoopa has to practically instantly win or he dies horribly.

Its late where I live so I’ll watch some of the Hoopa movie again tomorrow morning then vote, but if I remember Hoopa correctly Janemba should just poke for the instant win.
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Ned_the_outer_god said:
Yeah, I had the misfortune of watching the hoopa movies, and he only used the mind hax on the summons (and some one dude, but he needed him in order to get out of his bottle), never his opponents. He also didn't summon the summons until he got pissed off IIRC, BFR was to get rid of a lugia because it was doing a lot of damage and the other BFR was to transport some sand I think. Besides that, he kinda just grabbed a bunch of shit and yeeted them around.
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The thing about these "pissed off and grabbing stuff to yeet around" things Hoopa did was because the Hoopa that did these things was not True Hoopa. It was a false Hoopa, Shadow Hoopa, that did them. A form that's specifically a berserker and full of blind rage.

For most of the movie, Hoopa wasn't using his true abilities. Hoopa had his powers from Confined and Unbound split from each other, and it created a false Hoopa in the process that was Hoopa's "shadow", full of anger and rage for being sealed in the Prison bottle. Meaning, all of the stuff ranging from BFRing Lugia to summoning and controlling legendaries and raging was because of Shadow Hoopa being specifically a berserker. This doesn't apply to True Hoopa when he's actually using his real capabilities.
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Do we know how the actual Hoopa fights then.
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Aside from the small parts of the movie where we see True Hoopa fight, no.

The only time True Hoopa fights in the movie is when he fought the Primals, the Tao duo and Regigigas. All of whom Hoopa was toying around with as per claimed by Barza.
 
Then as far as I’m aware if a character isn’t shown to fight we usually assume their move set is entirely random. Funnily enough I think shadow Hoopa is actually more likely to win, because at least we absolutely know he’ll go for BFR, no clue what the real Hoopa would go for.

Though I just remembered Janemba can literally just do this and it’s in character (reminder Janemba is hundreds of times stronger than Hoopa): https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/File:Janemba3.gif. Stuff like this is why I need to watch the movies (I’ve seen them before but it’s been a long time).
 
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Garchomp777 said:
But long range mindhax
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Long range mindhax that 1) we don’t know if he would open with it and 2) doesn’t matter because Janemba actually is very likely to open with teleporting right next to Hoopa and blasting him, since that was one of his opening moves with Goku and Pikkon (he just punched Pikkon after teleporting, but it doesn’t matter than much since Janemba has an ap advantage in the hundreds here).

It is very late where I live so I’ll be back in a few hours.
 
I just want to say I just woke up, so I didn’t want to say it should scale to his reality warping because that has universal range, and I was kinda second guessing myself. However, I just remembered both his portal creation and teleportation come from his reality warping, so it should just scale to that.
 
His tp is that deconstruction of himself its not reality warping and hoopa would know it and hoopa can do the same as well
 
No the beginning of his teleportation is deconstruction, afterwards he straight teleports, as shown how he went a completely different direction from Goku and ended up behind him. When he just uses deconstruction for a semi teleport we see him slide behind Pikkon.

Hoopa can do the same, but we actually know how Janemba fights in character and know what he’ll do. Versus Hoopa who only fought once, while messing around.
 
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