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I don't know what that is
Probably.
Cool.
There is a reason he has the capacity to be a Grand Caster Servant.
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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread
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Humans with Honkai Beast genetics that allow them to transform, be much stronger and various other effects.
But they're projections of the Cocoon which IS a different civilisation.
There's no clean answer here lol.
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He gets the prototype of the Cocoon, problem solved
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He'll still have their stuff then... Probably...
They're still part of humanity (sort of), right? (Forgive me, my knowledge of Honkai stuff is lacking).
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Herrscher Core by itself should be completely Alien, but the Herrscher who wielded them is just human on Imaginary roid, so it might fall under whatever criteria require for Gil to just have it somehow
He is definitely going to have their gear since their gear is still man-made, the only thing that might happen is that Gil is probably going to have an incomplete Divine Key since every DK needs Herrscher Core or just non-functional gear since HI3 weapons rely on Honkai Energy
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i dont think the high level curators themselves have issue with it. they wanted to make generals emanators for a long time before they got direct confirmation but didn't because ppl kept editing it out and starting fights. so its likely the same for phainon.I ain't on the HSR Discord but what kind of leaps and bounds are these people making to think Cyrene is the Lord Ravagers' "new hire"??? Like hello??? Mr "Are you ready, Nanook? I brought you Destruction!" is right there
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Damn I didn't know people were that stubborn
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there were cases yeah. but tbh i didnt know they thought that quote refered to cyrene and irontomb... i need to investigate
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Ok.
Gilgamesh and Archer are funny because their abilities mean that they actually get more the more characters get introduced.
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I think if that was the case then they at this point they would've just put Phainon at least in the speculated Emanator section which is what they previously did with the Generals tho wouldn't they?
Also we literally had direct confirmation of the Generals being Emanators as far back as in 2.X with Black Swan literally calling Jing Yuan one plus the CN Emanator special highlitghting the text when talking about Emanators (plus some other stuff from the Luofu arc). If people editing it out was such a huge issue to the point of them keeping them on the "speculated" section because of that, then they should've just edit locked the Emanator page and issue solved.
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Im telling yall. You can all edit the Emanator wiki page if you want to. Its not CRT based additions.
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I know i can lmao, in fact i edit in the wiki sometimes.
I am just not going to bother putting Phainon on the "speculated" emanators section (even tho speculated is not even where it should be but well) only for the mods themselves to remove it anyway shortly after with some sort of "not enough evidence" reasoning.
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No one bothered to add Phainon thats the thing. You can check the history
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Actually no, he was on the speculated Emanators section for a bit then he was removed, actually.
I know that, because i am the one that added him there back in post 3.7 in the first place lmao.
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He was removed under the basis that "we dont know if he still retains the blood"
No one has attempted with the 2 new scans spelling it out
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Was going to ask if that's what you were talking about yeah.
Well, i can do it but i doubt will stay there for long, but we will see.
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Heres the list of arguments
1. “The blazing sun that was never meant to rise now walks the path to Elevation, granted by The Blemished One. Yet he continues to defy his destiny." - Zephyro
2. He's shown alongside several other Emanators in an official pic and an in-game dialogue option
3. Asat called him a new hire that immediately switched sides and didn't even stick around long enough (No it's not Irontomb because that goober has been a Lord Ravager for ages)
4. It's stated that trying to out destruction Nanook makes makes you automatically lose the second he gazes at you because he will make you his Emanator. Which literally describes what happened to Khaslana
5. It's stated that he has proven himself as the most perfect factor of Destruction.
6. He has an Invalid rating
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You could just say that it’s likely he was at least temporarily an Emanator. The wiki does still index former Emanators
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This works
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Will try with the two recent scans first instead of having to resort to "at least temporarily"
"At least temporarily" honestly feels like something they'd toss into the trivia section rather than leave on the main page lmao, which is already where Phainon is currently at alongside the "it's unknown if he still has the golden blood and it's powers" reasoning that first removed him from the speculated emanators section in the first place.
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I mean Sunday is literally indexed at that. Unless you wanna index him as former Emanator of Destruction
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I love how a literal debunk against Khaslana being an Emanator is that Khaslana rejected Nanook and never wanted to become one. Since when the hell did consent matter to Aeons in that regard
Btw you can also put that the only reason why Irontomb only became an Emanator is because of Khaos (Phainon)
Btw you can also put that the only reason why Irontomb only became an Emanator is because of Khaos (Phainon)
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He is but it is as just "temporarily" (not "at least") because it is verbatim spelled out as such by Dahlia in the quest, while with Phainon saying he is "at least temporarily" instead of just one currently would be mostly conjecture considering all the stuff we know, such as him still having rating invalid even after supposedly "losing" the golden blood.
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Then just index him as former Emanator of Destruction. Theres like 7 entire different arguments for it
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This is the funniest one cause i think literally the only case where someone actually consents to becoming an Emanator is with the Arbiter Generals? since they have go through Lan's trials by their own volition and pass knowing what they're getting into beforehand.I love how a literal debunk against Khaslana being an Emanator is that Khaslana rejected Nanook and never wanted to become one. Since when the hell did consent matter to Aeons in that regard
Every other case afaik (aside from cases like IX) is just the Aeon choosing you regardless of your previous input in the matter (if even there was any).
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Isee is the type of guy that would submit a job application to Nanook directly to become their Lord Ravager
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It's funny how Irontomb had to leech off Phainon since Chaos666 to the point even the fury/hatred necessary to fuel it to destroy Nous actually comes from Phainon and not from itself lmao.
I genuinely think the main reason the Lord Ravagers where there was for Phainon and Irontomb was secundary cause honestly if feels like they were already expecting Irontomb to fumble lmao. (Asat mentioning they were called there for the "new hire" also seems to imply such)
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I would try that if they keep refusing to accept the other stuff that show he is still an Emanator honestly.
Really, the easiest argument for that is that it's outright stated that Phainon was one with and inseparable from Irontomb's core. So going by that it would be easy to put him as an Lord Ravager like ("Temporarily, while fused with Irontomb") or something like that even if they disregard everything else that shows he is an emanator on his own lmao.
Tho i genuinely expect the game will likely just have some character in-story (like what they did with Asat mentioning Eva and Yao as Emanators) mention Phainon is a Emanator of Destruction verbatim during a dialogue around when Amphoreus becomes real so it's honestly a matter of time anyway, but i digress lmao.
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Are you sure only adding one scan of Khaslana being an Emanator is enough
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I was also going to put the Asat interview comment but i realized that the page for it hasn't been made in the wiki yet so i can't link to it (and afaik you can't use images as sources? at least i don't know how to do so if you can and never saw any other page do so myself) and was unsure if should use the golden blood one since it's already on the Trivia under the "we don't know if he still has it so it doesn't count" reasoning anyway.
The other reasonings like Zephyro mentioning Phainon "walks the path to Elavation granted by Nanook" they can probably dismiss as "we technically don't know what "path to elavation" is supposed to mean" and the such, so i figured it wouldn't be worth using? Same for the anni art and the emanators choice dialogue from 4.2 i figure (stuff like "well it's not actually stated these are about Emanators, the TBs are in the anni art too afterall and they are not emanators").
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"B-but he hates Destruction-" these people acting like we haven't seen Acheron, Zandar and likely Luocha have the exact same gimmick of rebelling against their Path while being Emanators of themI love how a literal debunk against Khaslana being an Emanator is that Khaslana rejected Nanook and never wanted to become one. Since when the hell did consent matter to Aeons in that regard
Like I'm SO sure that the worm without a developed brain consented to being turned into an Emanator of Elation
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Something something after having Nanook's blood melded in his body he now naturally produces it in his circulatory system cuz "destruction's perfect vessel" or some bullshit idk
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Actually, thinking further about it, i think it's indeed possible to directly link "path to Elevation" with "becoming a Lord Ravager" because Celenova becoming a Lord Ravager is also described as her being "elevated" by Nanook in the Lord Ravager Hoyolab post.
Anyway, it was already removed but the mod that removed it said that they will add him back on the Speculated section, so at least there's that. I guess they'll probably use the Asat Pramad comment if anything.
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I'd put him back in and just throw the Emanator group photo as justification 
it's more than enough but ppl need everything spelled out for them
it's more than enough but ppl need everything spelled out for them
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The owner of the wiki removed him already saying he was gonna add him there anyways with a different reasoningI'd put him back in and just throw the Emanator group photo as justification
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