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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

Yes because doing it required effecting the Tree.
Issue is that there’s not any intrinsic AP to this.

Either you can believe:
- He effected the tree to make the timeline which he needs a significant amount of energy for, which we have statements of him having infinite energy and also needing to no longer be a slave of the Imaginary to effect the Tree.
Or
- He created that timeline which is a creation feat and he scales.
Or
- He created that timeline and its varying branching possibilities, basically a larger timeline which is a creation feat and he scales.

You can get him to 6D regardless of these too.
Right, but the issue I’m facing is that the visuals literally show him time traveling and sliming the monster, which lets Kallen live.

The explanation is that since he is Infinite, he cannot affect the Finite Real World, and so he needs renormalization in order to become Finite again to interact with the Real World and then bring the power he had whilst being Infinite so he can create new possibilities for Kallen.

But, again, the issue is that the way this is visualized is him time traveling to the past and then him affecting that past in order to create new possibilities similarly to a butterfly effect of sorts, which isn’t scalable.
 
I don't think otto created possibilities where kallen live are scale to his physical, it was done by sacrifice himself and he know what he exactly doing. It should be "tier" Via Imaginary tree


On side note, you should be aware if even otto himself can't reach the imaginary tree without the power Herrscher of void
 
Right, but the issue I’m facing is that the visuals literally show him time traveling and sliming the monster, which lets Kallen live.
'Time Traveling' and it is just him going to a new timeline, lets be specific here.
The explanation is that since he is Infinite, he cannot affect the Finite Real World, and so he needs renormalization in order to become Finite again to interact with the Real World and then bring the power he had whilst being Infinite so he can create new possibilities for Kallen.
I don't think that's what the description meant, you may need to reread lowkey.
But, again, the issue is that the way this is visualized is him time traveling to the past and then him affecting that past in order to create new possibilities similarly to a butterfly effect of sorts, which isn’t scalable.
The way I interpreted it was he made a new timeline on the Tree, travelled to it and killed the monster that would've killed Kallen in that timeline.
Yea except hoyo vaguemaxxed this by saying he made some energy spike thats only comparable to PE finality descent lol
I think this refers to the creation of the timelines being an energy spike that's comparable to PE Finality.
 
I don't think otto created possibilities where kallen live are scale to his physical, it was done by sacrifice himself and he know what he exactly doing. It should be "tier" Via Imaginary tree


On side note, you should be aware if even otto himself can't reach the imaginary tree without the power Herrscher of void
I mean it’s pretty obvious Otto himself doesn’t scale to his shit. He can’t even utilize it all, and is basically just an immortal slave being pumped with limitless HE by the Tree.

'Time Traveling' and it is just him going to a new timeline, lets be specific here.
It is time traveling though…?

It made history branch out into a new path without destroying the world you know and love.
It’s literally him causing history itself to branch out. I.e the past. And he went to that past prior to it branching out.

The issue is that the only way to reconcile this is:

1) Hoyo is on sum D1 vagueposting again and the entire visual is purely cinematic.

or

2) Otto created new possibilities and a timeline, but Kallen was gonna die in that new timeline regardless unless he traveled there to kill the Honkai Beast. Which would be super strange.

I don't think that's what the description meant, you may need to reread lowkey.
I have the scans right here re-reading them, but I genuinely don’t know what other explanation makes sense.

Since he is infinite, he becomes a part of the Tree (a slave) and thus is bound to it’s will:
You're saying... to reshape the world five centuries ago, you needed to transcend reality and become a part of the Imaginary Tree…

So he needs to use HoV to exile him and make him finite (no longer a slave of the Tree):
And to change the world and her destiny, you had to exile yourself even if it meant your death and the end of your existence?

So he can bring the infinite power of the Tree to the real world in order for him to change the past now that he isn’t bound by the Tree:
At the miracle moment, I successfully brought the above-reality power on the Imaginary Tree to the world's wedge.
 
I have the scans right here re-reading them, but I genuinely don’t know what other explanation makes sense.

Since he is infinite, he becomes a part of the Tree (a slave) and thus is bound to it’s will:
Tracks
So he needs to use HoV to exile him and make him finite (no longer a slave of the Tree):
Tracks
So he can bring the infinite power of the Tree to the real world in order for him to change the past now that he isn’t bound by the Tree:
Seemed to me the point was he could bring the inf power to the Tree to effect it. We do literally see him effect the Tree. + IIRC it says Otto harnessed the infinite power to make the new timeline post-renormalisation. I just think since his body died he could actually use all of the infinite power.

We get him to 1-C anyway so it's not too important but yeah.
 
Seemed to me the point was he could bring the inf power to the Tree to effect it. We do literally see him effect the Tree.
I mean what even is the World’s Wedge here? I’m pretty sure it’s literally the “Tree” we see in the animation:

You drove the world's wedge, the ground zero of my choice, deep into new soil where it could take roots and sprout.
This implies that it’s something that takes root in “new soil” and then sprouts. And the animation shows the Tree-thingy sprout in all directions.

So uh, that object is likely the World’s Wedge and not the Imaginary Tree proper.

And also:
If he wishes to manipulate the world, he must stay outside of it and approach the Imaginary Tree.
He js needs to affect the Real World and not the Tree I’m pretty sure anyways.
 
Since he is infinite, he becomes a part of the Tree (a slave) and thus is bound to it’s will:


So he needs to use HoV to exile him and make him finite (no longer a slave of the Tree):


So he can bring the infinite power of the Tree to the real world in order for him to change the past now that he isn’t bound by the Tree:
i love how in hsr terms this would literally just be otto touching the 4D universe
 
In any case, I forgor to ask but what’s the proof for 1-C or whatever? Creating new timelines is just basic T2 stuff so I’m confused
 
I mean what even is the World’s Wedge here? I’m pretty sure it’s literally the “Tree” we see in the animation:
Ig you can believe it's the Hi3 world's timelines.

Either way, more quotes that are interesting from that chapter:

Otto: I bet that the human mind can create miracles and, for a brief second, disturb the laws of the Imaginary Tree.
Otto: Kiana Kaslana. I used to call you K423. With the power of love, you showed me this could be achieved.
Otto: The miracle that could only come from the Herrscher of the Void, the renormalisation of Imaginary Space, and the meaning of infinity and stasis.
Otto: You drove the world’s wedge, the ground zero of my choice, deep into new soil where it could take roots and sprout.
Durandal: You’re saying that… to reshape the world five centuries ago, you needed to transcend reality and become a part of the Imaginary Tree…

Lowkey the feat isn't even scaled yet, I'm more interested to know what you thought of the arc, the senti arc and the theatre of domination arc.
 
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Lowkey the feat isn't even scaled yet, I'm more interested to know what you thought of the arc, the senti arc and the theatre of domination arc.
Err, that’s a lot of information to recall so suddenly… maybe if I were a pro mediatoker, I’d be more capable of giving a more qualified to give an opinion.

But strictly speaking, it was great. Otto really is the D1 Nietzsche merchant in fiction. Not just to the way in which he treats his plan for Kallen, but also ever since Elan Platinus (& earlier even in SE) in his relation with the figure of “God”, to the point that js like in a Nietzschean way, he takes over the role of God when becoming one. And then thematically abolishes his own role as a “slave”.

The title of the 14th mission “Beyond Will” is also likely a reference to the literal translation of “Über”:
In 1896, Alexander Tille made the first English translation of Thus Spoke Zarathustra, rendering Übermensch as "Beyond-Man".
With this entire mission itself being a sort of dissertation by Otto on how humanity, by putting all their beliefs in a higher power and some immortal soul, deceives itself. Thus, as a living man can cause miracles, he has to ascend beyond being ordinary and impose his “Will to Power”, independent of the surrounding morality, and change the world around him.

It is also a reference to this. An actual line written by Nietzsche but also something said in the game itself, referring to how his obsession with Kallen transcends the distinction between good and evil:
That which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil.

And Kiana & Fu Hua were great too. Surprisingly a lot of plot twists regarding the Kiana family, which is kinda funny since I remember me being confused on why she called Dudu “Big Sis” in the new event lel. For ToD specifically though, I prolly like the Himeko dream sequence the most. And I remember sympathizing a lot with Fu Hua too. Def better than KeBin as a character hehe
 
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you beautiful *****
 
i wish i could name random philosophers off the dome
Eh, I haven’t read Nietzsche specifically either, but his works are popular enough that you can consume his ideas js through contemporary discourse (and mediatok glazing).

In any case, Otto was also larping the Fool and self-sacrificing stuff, which reminded me a lot about Klein, since he has the same thing really. Tho they differ in that LOTM focuses a lot more on fatalism stuff than Hi3. And they also treat the topic of Humanity vs Godhood differently.
 
Eh, I haven’t read Nietzsche specifically either, but his works are popular enough that you can consume his ideas js through contemporary discourse (and mediatok glazing).

In any case, Otto was also larping the Fool and self-sacrificing stuff, which reminded me a lot about Klein, since he has the same thing really. Tho they differ in that LOTM focuses a lot more on fatalism stuff than Hi3. And they also treat the topic of Humanity vs Godhood differently.
it always leads back to lotm

******* NTE wouldnt let me open roblox so i had to restart my pc and it deleted where i was reading it 💔
 
But strictly speaking, it was great. Otto really is the D1 Nietzsche merchant in fiction. Not just to the way in which he treats his plan for Kallen, but also ever since Elan Platinus (& earlier even in SE) in his relation with the figure of “God”, to the point that js like in a Nietzschean way, he takes over the role of God when becoming one. And then thematically abolishes his own role as a “slave”.
Otto and the Hoyo people are really familiar with their varying pieces of fiction. I remember playing the Kolosten Arc shortly after my final exams in Secondary School, Ozymandias was one of the poems we were studying. Imagine my surprise when Otto pulled up a quote I'd been revising weeks before LMAO.

It's crazy how Hoyo can get you to so viscerally hate a character and want him dead (thanks Senti) and then somehow manage to get you to respect him at the end because he managed to complete his mission.
And Kiana & Fu Hua were great too. Surprisingly a lot of plot twists regarding the Kiana family, which is kinda funny since I remember me being confused on why she called Dudu “Big Sis” in the new event lel. For ToD specifically though, I prolly like the Himeko dream sequence the most. And I remember sympathizing a lot with Fu Hua too. Def better than KeBin as a character hehe
Fu Hua's character is genuinely incredible when you get into the details of it, how SWARA effected her decisions throughout those 50,000 years, why her principles betrayed her, her state of mind throughout and reasons why she went to Otto after. Genuinely wish we got more focus on Hua and Sushang because Hua is such a deep character when you get into learning about her.
Kiana's arc is one of Hoyo's best for me.

This'll hit you like a truck if you never noticed, but in Lament of the Fallen Kiana tells Mei 'This is my mission' - Hua does the same thing to Kiana in Shattered Samsara, her reaction is a mix of shock and realisation because in that moment Kiana realises how her mission has caused her to alienate herself from others and her general effect on others around her. It's such a good callback using that exact quote and making Kiana's reaction so deep and visceral to deny letting Hua go. It makes Kiana realise everything she's been up to that point, directly tying in to her character development in Chapter 25 of being willing to accept so much help from others.

Kiana is one of my favourite characters in terms of character development, easily.
 
If only Shaoji remembered in his later works that he can write some pretty decent stuff…

Well, I still have Elysian Realm left, and then I’ll quit the game finish part 1
 
Nah. That was js someone basically doing Project Stigma on a universal scale and trying to fuse everything into Imaginary Space
so the Aether Network is just a bigger project stigma and iuts blocking aeons from affecting anything higher than the universe? im kinda lost on how that kills h1c
 
Nah. That was js someone basically doing Project Stigma on a universal scale and trying to fuse everything into Imaginary Space
Also yea, this is definitely gonna be plot relevant. It’s the climax of the Dusk Wars and likely a top 3 most important and mysterious historical moment in all of Honkai, yet its hidden on sum random ahh readable. Classic hoyo.

so the Aether Network is just a bigger project stigma and iuts blocking aeons from affecting anything higher than the universe? im kinda lost on how that kills h1c
Nono. Aether Network and this are completely different things. The former is in reference to how Bubble Worlds are made whereas the latter is referring to Imaginary Dimensional Bleeds, js both are on a cosmic scale. But they’re unrelated things, really.

It kills the scaling in that Aeons only have feats of affecting the “Cosmos” that is holistically in reference to the 4-dimensional physical space.
 
Also yea, this is definitely gonna be plot relevant. It’s the climax of the Dusk Wars and likely a top 3 most important and mysterious historical moment in all of Honkai, yet its hidden on sum random ahh readable. Classic hoyo.
just like sim uni lol, classic hoyo
Nono. Aether Network and this are completely different things. The former is in reference to how Bubble Worlds are made whereas the latter is referring to Imaginary Dimensional Bleeds, js both are on a cosmic scale. But they’re unrelated things, really.
i realized i read your message wrong but im always down for longer explanations so i didnt correct it lol
It kills the scaling in that Aeons only have feats of affecting the “Cosmos” that is holistically in reference to the 4-dimensional physical space.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah icic tyty
 
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