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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread
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Damn it's kinda ironic how after i mentioned this another debate over it started happening lmao.
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WHO IS MR ALL APART OF MY CALCULATIONS GUY
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Btw guys, is the reasoning for Immeasurable speed Imaginary Space?
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That's like years ago, no, Immeasurable here is through Amphoreus (Evernight, Lygus, Cyrene, etc). I don't even remember the last time we used Imaginary Space as the justification nowadays
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We are so cooked. We can't even agree on basic fundamentals of the verse
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This?
What’s the reasoning for this scaling past some cognitive power of his? (Not that the reasoning isn’t a bit sus to begin with ngl)
Anyways, yea, I’ll have to remove anyone who gets Immeasurable through Imaginary Space (like some Kiana keys) since mods have confirmed that you don’t get speed through something that a realm lets you do. This is much later though, too many crts open rn
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Evernight and Cyrene basically, they're still in a sandbox so I can't really tell you atm but yes it includes them going to the future or the past easily (like they did it by themselves) and even when Phainon fought Flame Reaver, it was like the past Flame Reaver he fought in the Grove which shouldn't even be possible but it is
Pretty sure it wasn't through a realm, in the first Honkai Speed Revision, it was rejected because Durandal one was through Imaginary Tree but Sirin one is basically just by herself. Imaginary Space only serves as the medium as its Sirin herself that accelerates the Subspace Lance to the point it went beyond linear time
Since the leaf world HI3 is in and the Imaginary Space are 2 different realms, even if Sirin accelerated the Subspace Lance to the point it went beyond linear time, it's still on Imaginary Space like whatever point in time, so she had to make a portal and transport that, which she does by accelerating Subspace Lance beyond linear time in which the Lance entered the portal, Himeko managed to react that
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Not to mention, Demiurge was able to trap herself in the past by herself since the Coreflame of Time, technically is in Evernight's hand and not Demiurge so it's not through that Coreflame either which isn't Time Travel
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Simple time travel isn’t speed. There better be a physical reason for them moving through time.
Also, elaborate on that Phainon point.
The Kiana profile says that Imaginary Space allows you to travel through time like space. This is a characteristic of the realm itself, and the mods are on-record saying that realms that “allow being to move at immeasurable” does not grant immeasurable, because as you would know it, it confirms that these characters don’t actually have the capability to move at immeasurable speeds.
Also no clue what that Subspace Lance thing is about, I’d like some scans preferably.
That just means this new ability is time travel as well…
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In any case, even if Immeasurable does exist, I’m gonna make a CRT to change the reasoning because the current one doesn’t function either
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Honkai Speed Revision 2
Continuation of this CRT, in which the core premise is present: https://vsbattles.com/threads/honkai-speed-revision.169599/ The previous CRT was rejected on the basis that the characters had to rely on a property of the Imaginary Space to travel through time like a spatial dimension. However...
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is there anything on wiki that actually functions anymore or?
this is 3rd time i read something and
“it doesnt work anymore”
this is 3rd time i read something and
“it doesnt work anymore”
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That's practically just ignorance at best if you're saying that's only time travel, Demiurge is obviously able to traverse freely through time, able to journey back to the very beginning of time or forward to the end of time itself. This is through sheer speed, just like Terminus
I don't think you can differentiate which one is time travel and which one is through sheer speed, both of them obviously have their movement unbound by the linear flow of time which is what differentiates it from time travel
It's early 3.3, where Phainon fought Flame Reaver in the River of Time whilst he was in Grove, portray it like your average chinaman series since that's the entire point lmao (You know this would get a lot of the chinaman verses have their immeasurable nuked if you think this isn't immeasurable)
Sirin stuff is on the second revision about speed, it's not that hard to look it up
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No, it's just you taking it out of context.
Nagamitsu stated that by activating the Second Divine Key and linking bubble universes to the Imaginary Tree, she said that they determined time still abides by certain rules, implying time outside of the universe still works the same. And by knowing that, one can traverse through time like it's a spatial dimension.
It is not the realm, but rather from their perspective which is Immeasurable by the FAQ.
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Are they dodging Sirin’s attacks in the space of real numbers or…? Because if they are, they no longer possess immeasurable speed cuz that’s just an instantaneous attack.Honkai Speed Revision 2
Continuation of this CRT, in which the core premise is present: https://vsbattles.com/threads/honkai-speed-revision.169599/ The previous CRT was rejected on the basis that the characters had to rely on a property of the Imaginary Space to travel through time like a spatial dimension. However...vsbattles.com
This is what happens when smthn is wanked too much
What’s the proof this is through sheer speed lmao, especially when she has time powers the same way Fuli has them (by projecting herself into the past, which is not speed). We don’t even know how Terminus time travels also.
Also what’s with this constant passive aggressiveness lel? It’s like you hate me or sum
I’ma have to watch this scene again, but depending on how they’re fighting in it, it might be Immeasurable
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I’m busy rn i’ll read all these later. Preferably all the proof you can find it better tho
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me when gng is about to slime me but bullet left the pistol so its no longer moving at 300 m/s so i just eviscerate him out of existence
this is the exact same logic i can see here
either way if ur capable of dodging something thats literally instanteniously spawning on you (especially when traveling at 0 sec since lances do fly toward him) its still an infinite speed feat rly
might as well say when u escape event horizon ur not ftl anymore breh
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I would prefer you explain what the issue with the highlighted part is. “Project” is an intentionally vague word I used, with the intent of being understood as something allegorical to time travel. Cyrene has Fuli’s powers which are already shown to affect causality and time (Fuli creating itself), so I’d like to know where it’s stated that she did it through some physical capability of hers.
(I’ll read and respond to your other stuff later. I’m in uni rn, ts was js something short I could write)
Infinite could work, yeh.
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Immeasurable is defined here as movement unbound by the linear flow of time, you can ask this guy if I'm mistaken but you get the point
Cyrene doesn't just "project" herself in the past, you know how Amphoreus on its own is a space-time continuum that differs from the cosmos? When Cyrene trapped herself in the past, she moved from the cosmos' timeline to Amphoreus, which means she's unbound by the linear flow of time as she is able to move timelines and vice versa — Her wishes is stated to transcend time, this is evident when Evernight gives the Coreflame of Worldbearing to the Trailblazer in 3.6, similar to Lygus whose existence also transcends time and that his Inspiration Circuit could process 2 timelines together, with each being a different space-time continuum. So, Cyrene moved from present timeline in the cosmos to the past timeline in Amphoreus, not the past timeline in the cosmos and there's a significant difference
Linear flow of time is the past, present, and future and this is within one time dimension, you understand this and the reasons I gave above is the reason why multiple temporal dimensions, simply put, gives you Immeasurable
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Bro picked my archnemesis for this lmao, I’m genuinely crying
.Scroller wouldn’t actually agree to HSR Immeasurable speed btw but he might actually oppose me on this just of spite lmao
You severely misunderstand what my contention is with this. It’s not whether or not Cyrene can move into the past or whatever the ****—it’s how she does it.
Because Immeasurable Speed is what the Flash does when he moves so physically fast that he runs backwards in time, not any other kind of time travel. And I specifically don’t remember her doing this Wally West shit.
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Anyways, bickering here is genuinely completely pointless. Just save your energy for when I make the CRT in a month or so and try and argue me there
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Flash one was literally a different case, it's like Alovenus from Yasei who's able to see all points in time. Definitely not because he moved so fast he ran backwards in time, that's not even textbook immeasurable when it's still within the timeline and theres no indications whatsoever that its unboundBro picked my archnemesis for this lmao, I’m genuinely crying
Scroller wouldn’t actually agree to HSR Immeasurable speed btw but he might actually oppose me on this just of spite lmao
Maybe we should e-sex again
You severely misunderstand what my contention is with this. It’s not whether or not Cyrene can move into the past or whatever the ****—it’s how she does it.
Because Immeasurable Speed is what the Flash does when he moves so physically fast that he runs backwards in time, not any other kind of time travel. And I specifically don’t remember her doing this Wally West shit.
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Being within or outside the timeline has nothing to do with Immeasurable lol. Moving backwards in time is the most standard way of breaking the speed formula.
I alr said it bro—just say all this shit when I make the CRT eventually. Just a waste of energy to bicker here and maybe by that time, there’s even a chance that I might find something that puts Honkai at Immeasurable regardless.
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In any case, that's the case; to achieve immeasurable speed, you have to do it by pure speed, by one means or another
I'm not interested in many verses, but those I know have no feats that weren't achieved through pure speed, and the proposal will be rejected if it is not handled in this way
This was also confirmed to me a few weeks ago
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Mr "I have the Lightning Lord"
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Ah the Welt victim
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One thing i am kinda curious about is the whole thing of Playable Phainon using his Khaslana transformation powers while in Base form (His idle animation 2 and his Technique) even tho as far as i remember that is never something he is demonstrated as being able to do in-story?
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He has all these powers in base. It’s not like the coreflames go away while not transformed (look at Flame Reaver). Khaslana is prob just what happens when fully utilizing them.
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I mean more so how Playable Phainon can use aspects that are specific to the Khaslana transformation (the Eyes, Wings and the Halo) without actually transforming fully, which is something he never demonstrates or implies he can do in-story as far as i remember.
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Playable Phainon in Base can use Black Holes too
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Yeah his Technique, isn't that Black Hole something the only other time we see him do it in is in-story during his Khaslana Transformation sequence in 3.4 or something?
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His entire kit is coreflames + path of destruction (they are same shit btw)
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Since the Star of Eden is now 1-B, shouldn't the HI3 High 1-C become1-B since they were upscaled from the Star of Eden? Or are their High 1-C stats based on something else.
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This wouldn't be the discussion thread for that topic anyways right?
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Viet accepted it as ap only cause of some cosmology shit so nah
edit; its 1-B in its own page
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