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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

Cassette95 said:
You mean the same Herrschers who didn't even know the Cocoon was a thing until it was explained to them? What Herrscher even contradicted Marah? She said its masterless imaginary energy that's comparable to the Cocoon but not subject to it. Which Herrscher said otherwise?

People managed to find out that the Cocoon was an entity that existed, that it was behind the Honkai and Herrschers, found out a way to somehow displace it from Venus with a Sea of Quanta tide, found ways to locate its realm and hack into it, and all this was achieved without anyone ever meeting it, so meeting it has never been a requirement to be informed of its attributes.
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I will say that Elysia could somewhat “feel” it though. To what extent that implicates you convo, unsure.

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Cassette95 said:
Were any of the questions I asked actually answered? Do they explain that this is unique to that that barrier, how long it lasted, or what caused it, or give any context at all? Because otherwise its nothing I don't already know. Just a fluctuations with zero context.
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They seem very surprised as they say “the once impassible barrier around the solar system is fluctiating!? This might be our only chance at entering the solar system” thats it no context no nothing. They seem fine traveling to any other star system except the hi3 solar system
Cassette95 said:
Where? The first scan confirms the Aeons can glance beyond it and their power enables it to be traversed, the second scan confirms its not making the system undetectable. So where do we get the upscale?
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They can see it after it fluctuates? So the barrier was unstable

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Cassette95 said:
You mean the same Herrschers who didn't even know the Cocoon was a thing until it was explained to them? What Herrscher even contradicted Marah? She said its masterless imaginary energy that's comparable to the Cocoon but not subject to it. Which Herrscher said otherwise?
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How would marah know how much imaginary energy the cocoon has if shes never seen or interacted with it
Cassette95 said:
People managed to find out that the Cocoon was an entity that existed, that it was behind the Honkai and Herrschers,
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Ok..?
Cassette95 said:
found out a way to somehow displace it from Venus with a Sea of Quanta tide,
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Because the soq, specifically a dimensional space, was able to interact with non-space… all itndid was wipe out venus’s citizens making the cocoon uninterested in the planet like it did with mars because even if it reset the planet with finality itnwould likely follow the same fate
Cassette95 said:
found ways to locate its realm and hack into it, and all this was achieved without anyone ever meeting it, so meeting it has never been a requirement to be informed of its attributes.
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They didnt hack into it, they hacked into the pathway it used to allocate honkai onto earth. Which is why it says prometheus hacked into the imaginary tree and mobius says she hacked into the pathway. Nothing about the cocoon directly
 
PedjaTarzan said:
ik what scan is but from which chapter/event is the scan actually coming from and where can you find it
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Chapter 42 (it was a readable letter Marah left for Sa) and the 7.1 event. A shame that event was before they started making them permanent but its on youtube.
 
SuperNova55555 said:
Not exactly sure why this would be the case.
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i mean i guess it's not impossible if it happens through the aeons. its also pretty much what i was saying the other time though. i don't think IE deserves to be cm3 though. it has way too many properties and is foundational for every concept too
 
Btw i hope you know the imaginary barrier agenda is a joke

Like i know the barrier isnt the strongest rhing in the verse its just funny that theres statements for every high tier jobbing to it

Aeons couldnt pass it

Emanators couldnt pass it

Sa with 250M years of soq amps couldnt bypass it

Comparable to the cocoon

Its a joke. I just find it funny that this random ass barrier has this many statements
 
Mbpoops said:
Btw i hope you know the imaginary barrier agenda is a joke

Like i know the barrier isnt the strongest rhing in the verse its just funny that theres statements for every high tier jobbing to it

Aeons couldnt pass it

Emanators couldnt pass it

Sa with 250M years of soq amps couldnt bypass it

Comparable to the cocoon

Its a joke. I just find it funny that this random ass barrier has this many statements
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plot device and https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Plot-Induced_Stupidity
 
Nighting4l33yes said:
i mean i guess it's not impossible if it happens through the aeons. its also pretty much what i was saying the other time though. i don't think IE deserves to be cm3 though. it has way too many properties and is foundational for every concept too
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CM3 is honestly extremely vague as a type ngl. And Imaginary Energy alongside Imaginary Constructs are prolly abstract enough to qualify
 
Now that i think abt it 1.5 was definetly the start of shaoji giving up on narrative consistancy

You mean to tell me he wants to us to believe Sa is equal to the cocoon

But Sa cant bypass the imaginary barrier that is also comparable to the cocoon?

Sa also jobs to seele and fu hua
 
SuperNova55555 said:
CM3 is honestly extremely vague as a type ngl. And Imaginary Energy alongside Imaginary Constructs are prolly abstract enough to qualify
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i do agree though i am not really satisfied with the current implementation and definition of CM overall. i get the idea but its not it imo
Mbpoops said:
But if i tell castorice that phainon not using his 30 other coreflame abilities on zephyro in their fight is PIS im wrong
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to be fair the concept art did show him using the abilities of other coreflames and titans ;/ its really a shame they didnt keep that. i wonder why they decided against it
 
Mbpoops said:
Now that i think abt it 1.5 was definetly the start of shaoji giving up on narrative consistancy

You mean to tell me he wants to us to believe Sa is equal to the cocoon

But Sa cant bypass the imaginary barrier that is also comparable to the cocoon?

Sa also jobs to seele and fu hua
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Shaoji: Sa is equal to Cocoon
Also Shaoji: Sa gets one shot by someone ACTUALLY equal to Cocoon
 
Mbpoops said:
Btw i hope you know the imaginary barrier agenda is a joke

Like i know the barrier isnt the strongest rhing in the verse its just funny that theres statements for every high tier jobbing to it

Aeons couldnt pass it

Emanators couldnt pass it

Sa with 250M years of soq amps couldnt bypass it

Comparable to the cocoon

Its a joke. I just find it funny that this random ass barrier has this many statements
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Do we know why the hi3 is so strong, like I originally thought it was due to cocoon isolating the leaf from the universe, but I don't remember if it was confirmed or i just made it up
 
HI3 also seems to have some kind of exception like in HSR Immortality has a cost (literal Gods give them this) while in HI3 MANTIS (bat shit insane scientist shove monster DNA into equally bat shit insane people) is just outright Immortal with the only known downside being the urge to use AHR with a grand total of 0 person that failed to resist the urge and being equally Honkai Beast and Human
 
Ezalipaz said:
HI3 also seems to have some kind of exception like in HSR Immortality has a cost (literal Gods give them this) while in HI3 MANTIS (bat shit insane scientist shove monster DNA into equally bat shit insane people) is just outright Immortal with the only known downside being the urge to use AHR with a grand total of 0 person that failed to resist the urge and being equally Honkai Beast and Human
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Mobius failed to resist the urge, so did Su iirc.
 
PlungingThroughTime said:
Mobius failed to resist the urge, so did Su iirc.
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In Su's case its desperation as he uses AHR himself to fight back against Mobius (he explicitly refuses to talk about his last attack before collapsing)

In Mobius case it kinda is since she fully lost control but not really at the same time since she lost control due to her own new and shiny experiment which just like what any reasonable sceintist would do she use herself as lab rat ultimately lead to her losing control of her newly gained AHR (this incident also made Kevin aware of something that he dont know which probably is AHR itself as it about more Power which will lead to Early generation have no such urge, and it just so happen that Mobius in also Early generation)
 
Ezalipaz said:
In Su's case its desperation as he uses AHR himself to fight back against Mobius (he explicitly refuses to talk about his last attack before collapsing)

In Mobius case it kinda is since she fully lost control but not really at the same time since she lost control due to her own new and shiny experiment which just like what any reasonable sceintist would do she use herself as lab rat ultimately lead to her losing control of her newly gained AHR (this incident also made Kevin aware of something that he dont know which probably is AHR itself as it about more Power which will lead to Early generation have no such urge, and it just so happen that Mobius in also Early generation)
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"reasonable scientist" 😭
 
Ezalipaz said:
HI3 also seems to have some kind of exception like in HSR Immortality has a cost (literal Gods give them this) while in HI3 MANTIS (bat shit insane scientist shove monster DNA into equally bat shit insane people) is just outright Immortal with the only known downside being the urge to use AHR with a grand total of 0 person that failed to resist the urge and being equally Honkai Beast and Human
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thats not not really true...? theres plenty of chars with type 1 immortality just by being pathstriders
 
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