Honkai: Star rail big upgrades

[PedjaTarzan]

The upgrade will come from this calc, along with several statements that will multiply the scaling by a big number so lets start.

One of the reason for upgrade is Aventurine of Stratagems who currently scales to 3-C where all emanators and those who shown relativity to are scaling.
In the justification it is implied that characters who are Emanators are superior to him as they are "fully-fledged emanators" like the case here.
Next is the statement that each cornerstone possess 1/10 of the power of the actual Emanator of Preservation, since aventurine used 1 cornerstone against Express in Penacony he should scale 10x lower than Emanators as well as Express, except Welt Yang, he is still regarded powerful by the crew, even Acheron the emanator of nihilty is avoiding any confilct with him.
Additional buff is that Titan Nikador that we fight is 10x weaker than the True Form of Nikador that we restore trough story which boosts the AP of characters by additional 10x.
So the values of AP will go like this:

Spoiler: Scaling

Galaxy level (509 zettafoe):

• Aventurine and members of 10 stonehearts
• Xianzhou and Penacony Express
• Argenti, SAM, Yunli, Yanqing, Nerfed Hoolay
• Blade, Kafka, Silver Wolf and those comparable to the charactes on this list

Galaxy level+(5.9 yottafoe)

• The Herta
• Black Swan
• Base Acheron
• Blindfolded Jingliu
• Hoolay
• Welt (might change due to story of Amphoreus)
• Galaxy rangers and those comparable to characters on this list

Multi-Galaxy level (50.9 yottafoe)

• Ambrosal Arbor Phantylia
• Jing Yuan, Feixiao and other Generals
• Amphoreus Dan Heng and Trailblazer
• Nikador
• Amphoreus Cast and those comparable to characters on this list

I am open for suggestion regarding the change of Chainscaling, but as of now i believe it should go like this since 3-B is only reserved to narratively most powerful characters shown, while 3-C+ is just for regular emanators who do not shown exceptional strength over the other emanators in the verse.
Agree: @Enryu_The_Red_Tower @BoastJr @Spinoirr @Voidnether @Gonzalo @LordGriffin1000, @DarkDragonMedeus
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I agree with everything

 

[BoastJr]

I agree... However !

Goku (Lightning Lord) soloes

 

[Spinoirr]

I agree

 

[Gonzalo]

I agree

 

[Voidnether]

Yeah, this is straightforward

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Calc is accepted, multipliers seem good. I can't really comment on scaling since I don't know the series but the overall thread looks alright so I agree with the revision currently.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Bump

 

[Giannysmag]

I agree

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Bump

 

[TegamiBachi25]

I guess I agree

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Agree

 

[Cimafranca133]

Why are the Generals and Phantylia 3-B?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Why are the Generals and Phantylia 3-B?

The Boss fight phantylia was much stronger than base phantylia, she pressed both jing yuan and DHIL upon getting serious and both of them greatly harmed sunday in that "fake" ending, and other generals are comparable to each other

 

[Cimafranca133]

The Boss fight phantylia was much stronger than base phantylia, she pressed both jing yuan and DHIL upon getting serious and both of them greatly harmed sunday in that "fake" ending, and other generals are comparable to each other

I thought that was a dream How is Sunday 3-B tho.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I thought that was a dream How is Sunday 3-B tho.

tbh entire penacony arc is a dream so...
Sunday has both power of Harmony and Order which makes him much stronger, on top of that he was 1v6-ing express with robin who amped them with her Ult while causing "disharmony"

 

[Weaver261]

both of them greatly harmed sunday in that "fake" ending, and other generals are comparable to each other

Eh....Isn't the fake ending is what Sunday wanted them to see for them to want to live inside the dream??? He is needed to be taken down if he want to make them think they have won. How is that applying to scaling?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Eh....Isn't the fake ending is what Sunday wanted them to see for them to want to live inside the dream??? He is needed to be taken down if he want to make them think they have won. How is that applying to scaling?

this would disprove a lot of statements (i.e black swan stating clash between emanators can cause chaos, and welt stating TB has S rank growth etc) that affects the scaling too, also the fake ending doesnt meant the fight didnt happen it was only said that in the end they lost because of sundays dream that affected them

 

[Weaver261]

this would disprove a lot of statements (i.e black swan stating clash between emanators can cause chaos, and welt stating TB has S rank growth etc) that affects the scaling too, also the fake ending doesnt meant the fight didnt happen it was only said that in the end they lost because of sundays dream that affected them

I disagree. Now that I think about it, Black swan's statement is kinda sus. Since Phantaliya fight was also emanators clashing, acheron vs aventurine was also emanator clashing (although av isn't true emanator). If she is correct, these fights would have destroyed a lot but I didn't see any of that. Putting that aside, Fake ending totaly means the fight is going the way how Sunday want them to see. So that they will continue to live on without ever knowing it's a dream. Also in the real world, dan heng and xianzhou alliance was never there, so this scaling is completely invalid.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I disagree. Now that I think about it, Black swan's statement is kinda sus. Since Phantaliya fight was also emanators clashing, acheron vs aventurine was also emanator clashing (although av isn't true emanator). If she is correct, these fights would have destroyed a lot but I didn't see any of that. Putting that aside, Fake ending totaly means the fight is going the way how Sunday want them to see. So that they will continue to live on without ever knowing it's a dream. Also in the real world, dan heng and xianzhou alliance was never there, so this scaling is completely invalid.

Mkay any suggestions regarding the tiers?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Did you guys have contacted the other staffs beside Griffin?

 

[Weaver261]

Mkay any suggestions regarding the tiers?

I would place xianzhou generals around galaxy level+
Because the hunt path is narrow and their power is somewhat limited in that aspect. Other than that, I have no problems with other scalings. But I'm still iffy with Xianzhou cast getting galaxy tiers. They did fought with those who did these feats but it's not even sure if the other is going all out. But what can I say since it's just chain scaling being chain scaling.

 

[Cimafranca133]

I disagree. Now that I think about it, Black swan's statement is kinda sus. Since Phantaliya fight was also emanators clashing,

Isn't the Xianzhou Loufu 1-A+ or something in Dura on this wiki?

acheron vs aventurine was also emanator clashing (although av isn't true emanator). If she is correct, these fights would have destroyed a lot but I didn't see any of that.

That fight was in the dreamscape.

Putting that aside, Fake ending totaly means the fight is going the way how Sunday want them to see. So that they will continue to live on without ever knowing it's a dream. Also in the real world, dan heng and xianzhou alliance was never there, so this scaling is completely invalid.

I agree with this.

 

[Cimafranca133]

Also, Amphoreus cast shouldn't be even be 3-B.
The 3-C+ calc comes a feat done by The Herta whom none of the cast scale to.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Also, Amphoreus cast shouldn't be even be 3-B.
The 3-C+ calc comes a feat done by The Herta whom none of the cast scale to.

cant trust you with same quote abt asking if xianzhou has 1-A+ dura mister engimata.
Anyway Emanators can easily scale to each other given they are incomprably stronger than mortals aka pathstriders, and to beat one emanator you need exact power of one
(we scaled emanators to each other all the time from incinerating galaxy statement which isnt even a clear feat why not with the herta one which is onscreen on top of that)
Edit: the Amphoreus cast will scale off from Post Sunday fight Express since they were able to Handle him despite all the help since nothing rly reduced his durability, and express already handled sunday in first 2 phases of fight

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

cant trust you with same quote abt asking if xianzhou has 1-A+ dura mister engimata.
Anyway Emanators can easily scale to each other given they are incomprably stronger than mortals aka pathstriders, and to beat one emanator you need exact power of one
(we scaled emanators to each other all the time from incinerating galaxy statement which isnt even a clear feat why not with the herta one which is onscreen on top of that)
Edit: the Amphoreus cast will scale off from Post Sunday fight Express since they were able to Handle him despite all the help since nothing rly reduced his durability, and express already handled sunday in first 2 phases of fight

So, who will scale to 3-B then? I am confused with what you are talking about

 

[PedjaTarzan]

So, who will scale to 3-B then? I am confused with what you are talking about

whats in Op minus generals, jinglu, phantylia and sunday,
and for 3-C+ ill just add in post sunday fight express since they fall in "and those comparable" list (tough we can backscale them to other emanators given we Traiblazer and Dan heng are not yet emanators at all so there is still a chance for 3-B sunday)

 

[Cimafranca133]

cant trust you with same quote abt asking if xianzhou has 1-A+ dura mister engimata.

This was agreed upon on this crt

 

[Cimafranca133]

Anyways, I'm still a bit confused about the scaling ngl

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Anyways, I'm still a bit confused about the scaling ngl

To resummarise: Emanators will scale to hertas 3-C+, Aventurine will scale 10X below due to his power being 1/10 of emanator of preservation
Then 3-C+ for Express after Sunday fight (since he is no longer 3-B), then since TB and Dan Heng fight Titan Nikador, who is 10x stronger than the Nikador they fight inside city of Amphoreus who already made them struggle, he and the characters who fought him will get 3-B
the scaling i listed is just a proposal of who will scale to each tier which as i said can be changed depending on suggestions you give

 

[PedjaTarzan]

bump

 

[PedjaTarzan]

bump

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me.