Honkai: Star Rail — Astral Express Trio, Chrysos Heirs, and Nous

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Honkai: Star Rail profiles need some updates, and the purpose of this CRT is to update a few them as follows:

These are the sandboxes of the updates profiles and for Dan Heng, March 7th, and Trailblazer up to Version 3.7, showing how they will look as a whole

Now, the following is what I am proposing specifically to add to the profiles, along with the keys being proposed for the Astral Express trio:

Trailblazer:
Post-Coreflame of Time
Late Amphoreus Arc
Cyrene Amp

Dan Heng:
Mid to Late Amphoreus Arc
Cyrene Amp

March 7th:
Amphoreus Arc (Evernight)
Amphoreus Arc (March 7th)
Cyrene Amp

The updated changes are:

• The addition of new abilities and resistances showcased up to Version 3.7
• New 3-B (29.3626771 RonnaFoe) and 1-B (12-D) keys via them fighting Incomplete and Complete Irontomb respectively
• Updated range for these keys

The Chrysos Heirs (excluding Cyrene, as she was the one amplifying all of them to her level) will also receive a new 1-B (12-D) key that will be called "Cyrene Amp", just like it is seen in the Astral Express trio sandboxes, due to all of them being capable of fighting and eventually defeating Complete Irontomb after being enhanced by Cyrene, they even contributed to the "Epics, As We've Written" attack that was capable of severely damaging Complete Irontomb.

Cyrene was gazed and amped by the Remembrance/Fuli/Herself and The Trailblazer was gazed and empowered by the Erudition/Nous. Cyrene temporarily buffed the Trailblazer, Astral Express, and the rest of the Chrysos Heirs with the Remembrance after resurrecting them in order for them to fight Complete Irontomb. The 1-B stats will only be in that specific key/fight and no other keys afterwards have it.

Nous also will obtain all of Scepter's abilities, since the Scepters are described as "merely poor imitations of Nous", indicating that everything that these Scepters can do, Nous can do far better and on a much greater scale, here is the full dialogue for those who want to read the whole text.

Here is the following Scepter Abilities:

• Pocket Reality Manipulation (Scepters are able to create simulated worlds, such as how the Scepter δ-me13 created the realm of Amphoreus, which is vast enough to house an entire starry sky)
• Limited Fate Manipulation (Scepters can change the future of their simulated worlds)
• Earth Manipulation & Magnetism Manipulation (Scepters are able to create small planets by arranging and compressing magnetic field particles)
• Matter Manipulation (Sub-Atomic; Scepters can achieve absolute interference over the movement of matter within a limited range. Scepters are also capable of manipulating micro-particle fluctuations and triggering large-scale matter annihilation)
• Limited Precognition (Scepters can predict the future with perfect accuracy in perfectly sealed environments)
• Space-Time Manipulation & Forcefield Creation (Scepters can create space-time barriers. They are also capable of secluding themselves within concave spaces and deliberately warping their internal time flow)
• Statistics Amplification (Scepters can expand one's cognition to reach the cast iron throne, almost letting Rubert II leave the Circle of Knowledge)
• Limited Physics Manipulation (Scepters can temporarily disrupt physical laws within an area)
• Limited Information Analysis & Data Manipulation (Scepters were able detect and autonomously fix an error in a prompt the scholars wrote)

Agree: 17 (GodEarh206, CastoriceTheFifth, PedjaTarzan, Voidnether, Kavopaco, Anonymous_Learner, Lloydblitzed, ShinMaximillion, NikHelton, EddisherSound, Apotheosis69, Bruhtelho, Arkansalter2, AthelChan, Machmatej, Lort15, KingTempest)

Disagree: 0 ()

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

To clarify what keys are being proposed for the staffs

Trailblazer:
Post-Coreflame of Time
Late Amphoreus Arc
Cyrene Amp

Dan Heng:
Mid to Late Amphoreus Arc (Permansor Terrae)
Cyrene Amp

March 7th:
Amphoreus Arc (Evernight)
Amphoreus Arc (March 7th)
Cyrene Amp

 

[GodEarh206]

Great work

 

[TegamiBachi25]

following

 

[Viery]

Didn’t the second buff that helped the trio defeat completed Irontombs come not from Cyrene but from the 400-Million Saga in As I’ve Written? Even the damage of that buff represents the important cycles in that story like cycles 1, 6 , 28, 134, 496 and so on—in case you weren’t aware.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Didn’t the second buff that helped the trio defeat completed Irontombs come not from Cyrene but from the 400-Million Saga in As I’ve Written? Even the damage of that buff represents the important cycles in that story like cycles 1, 6 , 28, 134, 496 and so on—in case you weren’t aware.

The buff came from Cyrene amping them on her level after being gazed by Fuli. Epics as we've written is an attack. Her entire shtick is centered around amping the chrysos heirs.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Like theres an entire page dedicated to buffing Chrysos Heirs, which is connected to her summoning herself as a memo sprite, which happened against Complete Irontomb

 

[Viery]

Like theres an entire page dedicated to buffing Chrysos Heirs, which is connected to her summoning herself as a memo sprite, which happened against Complete Irontomb

Do you mean when Cyrene uses her ultimate in the gameplay? She can already ult before Irontombs is completed. And when Irontombs is completed, HoYo still gives it unlimited HP—irontombs HP only becomes limited after the scenes where TB composes the 400-million saga.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Do you mean when Cyrene uses her ultimate in the gameplay? She can already ult before Irontombs is completed. And when Irontombs is completed, HoYo still gives it unlimited HP—irontombs HP only becomes limited after the scenes where TB composes the 400-million saga.

Cyrene didn’t summon herself as a memosprite in phase 1 and 2 against Incomplete Irontomb. She never buffed us either. She only ever started buffing us when she summoned herself as a memosprite after being gazed by Fuli and restoring the universe, which is shown by cutscene. This is proven even more when her memosprite form stayed present throughout the entire fight against Complete Irontomb, which was nonexistent against Incomplete Irontomb.

This is proven even more that the chrysos heirs/astral express trios attacks becomes hella inflated to the point they gain 8-9 digit level damage, which only happened in phase 3 after Cyrene summoned herself as a memosprite and buffed us. Hyacine’s memosprite doesn’t do 8 digits normally

 

[Viery]

Cyrene didn’t summon herself as a memosprite in phase 1 and 2 against Incomplete Irontomb. She never buffed us either. She only ever started buffing us when she summoned herself as a memosprite after being gazed by Fuli and restoring the universe, which is shown by cutscene. This is proven even more when her memosprite form stayed present throughout the entire fight against Complete Irontomb, which was nonexistent against Incomplete Irontomb.

This is proven even more that the chrysos heirs/astral express trios attacks becomes hella inflated to the point they gain 8-9 digit level damage, which only happened in phase 3 after Cyrene summoned herself as a memosprite and buffed us. Hyacine’s memosprite doesn’t do 8 digits normally

Wdym she never buffed us? And if this is not her memosprite then what?

Honestly I'm still confused which scenes do you talking about since your image is not displayed in me

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Wdym she never buffed us? And if this is not her memosprite then what?

Honestly I'm still confused which scenes do you talking about since your image is not displayed in me

You’re getting confused on what her buff actually is

That’s not her buff. That’s her purifying Irontomb’s hatred/dispelling its crowd control disruption. It had nothing to do with strength.

Also yes that’s her memosprite. She canonically doesn’t use her memosprite until phase 3. This is self explanatory as her memosprite is present throughout the entirely of phase 3 AND cutscene. The same memosprite is nonexistent against Incomplete Irontomb

 

[Viery]

That’s not her buff. That’s her purifying Irontomb’s hatred/dispelling its crowd control disruption. It had nothing to do with strength.

That buff doesn't just dispell negative effect, she give 100% energy Regen to character that you choose too.

Also yes that’s her memosprite. She canonically doesn’t use her memosprite until phase 3. This is self explanatory as her memosprite is present throughout the entirely of phase 3 AND cutscene. The same memosprite is nonexistent against Incomplete Irontomb

Do you mean Big Cyrene? Are you sure that’s the one that makes Irontomb’s HP become limited? Before the second buff attack landed, Big Cyrene was already in the battle, yet Irontomb’s HP was still unlimited. Irontomb’s HP only became limited after the attack landed, which is caused by As We’ve Written. Honestly, that’s not really far-fetched, since As We’ve Written is like 400 millions Lightcones composed into one.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

That buff doesn't just dispell negative effect, she give 100% energy Regen to character that you choose too.

Ok so where's the strength buff in this support skill? You know how entirely different this is compared to This Ode, To All Lives right. The buff that is explicitly shown allowing them to fight Complete Irontomb.

Do you mean Big Cyrene? Are you sure that’s the one that makes Irontomb’s HP become limited? Before the second buff attack landed, Big Cyrene was already in the battle, yet Irontomb’s HP was still unlimited. Irontomb’s HP only became limited after the attack landed, which is caused by As We’ve Written. Honestly, that’s not really far-fetched, since As We’ve Written is like 400 millions Lightcones composed into one.

Big Cyrene, her memosprite, is what buffs the chrysos heirs on the level of being capable of fighting Compete Irontomb. Her entire character is shilled into being a support for the chrysos heors. We are also explicitly shown them dealing inflated damage after her memosprite was summoned and buffed us.

Irontomb's invulnerability is an entirely different thing and is indexed as such

• Invulnerability Negation (With Epics, As We've Written, the Trailblazer can channel the combined power of all the Chrysos Heirs, along with their own, into Demiurge, creating a massive attack capable of negating and destroying Complete Irontomb's invulnerability)

far higher with Epics, As We've Written (By channeling the combined power of the entire Chrysos Heirs and the Trailblazer to Demiurge, they are capable of creating one massive attack that has the power to destroy Complete Irontomb's invulnerability and severely damage it)

This is different to

• Enhanced Statistics Amplification (Cyrene was able to amplify the physical capabilities of the Chrysos Heirs, Trailblazer, Permansor Terrae, and March 7th to match her own, allowing them to work together to defeat Complete Irontomb)

Cyrene's profile is indexed as such

Cyrene

Cyrene is a playable character in Honkai: Star Rail. A meteor streaks across the night sky, sending ripples through the river of life, gleaming in thirteen hues. Daughter of Aedes Elysiae, Chrysos Heir who nourishes "██," sow the Seed of Memory, so that flowers of the past may bloom in tomorrow...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Also no, she never buffed us with her giant memosprite. That was explicitly only Phase 3. Using a gameplay shot of Cyrene using it early is like saying Complete Irontomb launched the Universe destroying attack on us mid phase 3 when canonically Stelle and Cyrene intercepted the attack before it could destroy the Universe again. This is also like me scaling Clara to 1-B by using her to fight Irontomb (which I will make a CRT scaling her to 1-b to prove a point if I have to)

 

[Viery]

Ok so where's the strength buff in this support skill? You know how entirely different this is compared to This Oda, To All Lives right. The buff that is explicitly shown allowing them to fight Complete Irontomb.

If we’re really talking about “This Oda, To All Lives”, Cyrene could already use it since Phase 1, and that’s canon. If Cyrene doesn’t use it, HoYo will lock her ultimate in Phases 1 and 2, only unlocking it in Phase 3. This is a mechanic HoYo consistently uses in the story—for example, Flame Reaver doesn’t use “Cry Not For The Discarded” before HoYo shows the scene in 3.2, or Phainon can’t use their ultimate before the transform scenes in 3.4.

Big Cyrene, her memosprite, is what buffs the chrysos heirs on the level of being capable of fighting Compete Irontomb. Her entire character is shilled into being a support for the chrysos heors. We are also explicitly shown them dealing inflated damage after her memosprite was summoned and buffed us.

Irontomb's invulnerability is an entirely different thing and is indexed as such

• Invulnerability Negation (With Epics, As We've Written, the Trailblazer can channel the combined power of all the Chrysos Heirs, along with their own, into Demiurge, creating a massive attack capable of negating and destroying Complete Irontomb's invulnerability)

far higher with Epics, As We've Written (By channeling the combined power of the entire Chrysos Heirs and the Trailblazer to Demiurge, they are capable of creating one massive attack that has the power to destroy Complete Irontomb's invulnerability and severely damage it)

This is different to

• Enhanced Statistics Amplification (Cyrene was able to amplify the physical capabilities of the Chrysos Heirs, Trailblazer, Permansor Terrae, and March 7th to match her own, allowing them to work together to defeat Complete Irontomb)

Isn’t the unlimited HP invulnerability mechanic just meant to show us that Irontombs can’t be defeated because they are too “strong”? This ties directly to the lore, which says that completed Irontombs can never be defeated—or that they can one-shot us the moment their HP becomes unlimited in the scenes.

I mean, we can still attack, and the attacks still show damage numbers. So Irontombs aren’t truly “immune”; it’s just that our attacks deal extremely small damage compared to their HP, making them effectively undefeatable until the mechanic allows their HP to become limited.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

If we’re really talking about “This Oda, To All Lives”, Cyrene could already use it since Phase 1, and that’s canon. If Cyrene doesn’t use it, HoYo will lock her ultimate in Phases 1 and 2, only unlocking it in Phase 3. This is a mechanic HoYo consistently uses in the story—for example, Flame Reaver doesn’t use “Cry Not For The Discarded” before HoYo shows the scene in 3.2, or Phainon can’t use their ultimate before the transform scenes in 3.4.


Isn’t the unlimited HP invulnerability mechanic just meant to show us that Irontombs can’t be defeated because they are too “strong”? This ties directly to the lore, which says that completed Irontombs can never be defeated—or that they can one-shot us the moment their HP becomes unlimited in the scenes.

I mean, we can still attack, and the attacks still show damage numbers. So Irontombs aren’t truly “immune”; it’s just that our attacks deal extremely small damage compared to their HP, making them effectively undefeatable until the mechanic allows their HP to become limited.

Trailblazer, Permansor Terrae and March were pretty much fine after fighting Complete Irontomb, while previously before the amp they were quickly killed by the same Irontomb, how it is not them having their stats buffed?

 

[Viery]

Trailblazer, Permansor Terrae and March were pretty much fine after fighting Complete Irontomb, while previously before the amp they were quickly killed by the same Irontomb, how it is not them having their stats buffed?

I’m not saying they don’t have a buff, but the one that allows them to defeat completed Irontombs isn’t Cyrene—it’s “As We’ve Written.”

I mean, even incompleted Irontombs are roughly Lord Ravager level—unless we want to argue that all Chyros heirs are also Lord Ravager level, since Cyrene doesn’t buff them when fighting incompleted Irontombs.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

If we’re really talking about “This Oda, To All Lives”, Cyrene could already use it since Phase 1, and that’s canon. If Cyrene doesn’t use it, HoYo will lock her ultimate in Phases 1 and 2, only unlocking it in Phase 3. This is a mechanic HoYo consistently uses in the story—for example, Flame Reaver doesn’t use “Cry Not For The Discarded” before HoYo shows the scene in 3.2, or Phainon can’t use their ultimate before the transform scenes in 3.4.

Flame Reaver LITERALLY uses Cry Not For The Discarded an ENTIRE patch before what you are claiming.


Phainon isnt even required to be used in the fight against Flame Reaver in 3.4. His ultimate isnt even locked.


I will literally make a CRT right now using your exact gameplay argument type vibe scaling to scale the entire verse to 1-B down to Clara, Yanqing, and Hook to prove a point. Welt fighting characters? Time to automatically assume he used his 1-B attack and chainscale the entire verse to 1-B and give them resistance to honkai energy because he can use an ult. I brought Clara into Irontomb fight? Time to chainscale her to 1-B above the Aeons.

Your entire argument falls flat by the fact that the games own NARRATIVE AND CUTSCENE doesnt support what youre saying.

Isn’t the unlimited HP invulnerability mechanic just meant to show us that Irontombs can’t be defeated because they are too “strong”? This ties directly to the lore, which says that completed Irontombs can never be defeated—or that they can one-shot us the moment their HP becomes unlimited in the scenes.

I mean, we can still attack, and the attacks still show damage numbers. So Irontombs aren’t truly “immune”; it’s just that our attacks deal extremely small damage compared to their HP, making them effectively undefeatable until the mechanic allows their HP to become limited.

The Invulnerability mechanic is to show us him being completed and on the level beyond the Emanators to the point nothing they can do can stomp it.

All Epics, as we've written does is disable his invulnerability. Even then, HE HAS THE HIGHEST HP IN THE GAME BY FAR, SURPASSING EVEN THE END GAME HP INFLATION AS A STORY MODE BOSS. We are LITERALLY dealing abnormal damage to portray Irontomb's level and Cyrene's buff on us.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I’m not saying they don’t have a buff, but the one that allows them to defeat completed Irontombs isn’t Cyrene—it’s “As We’ve Written.”

no it isn't. i dont even know how you are attempting to extrapolate all the credit to Epics, As We've written. That attack isnt even used to intercept Irontomb's universe busting attack. It was CYRENES NORMAL BOW. Even then, what follows after wasnt Epics, As We've written either, it was world-cleansing blood + bow.

I mean, even incompleted Irontombs are roughly Lord Ravager level—unless we want to argue that all Chyros heirs are also Lord Ravager level, since Cyrene doesn’t buff them when fighting incompleted Irontombs.

Bro did not read the crt that was sent to them in the discussion thread, nor the profiles of the chrysos heirs. All the Chrysos Heirs ARE scaled similar to that of an emanator.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I’m not saying they don’t have a buff, but the one that allows them to defeat completed Irontombs isn’t Cyrene—it’s “As We’ve Written.”

I mean, even incompleted Irontombs are roughly Lord Ravager level—unless we want to argue that all Chyros heirs are also Lord Ravager level, since Cyrene doesn’t buff them when fighting incompleted Irontombs.

How the "Epics, As We've Written" is the buff that allowed them to defeat Complete Irontomb? This attack is only strong enough to severely damage Complete Irontomb because Cyrene was the one who amped the AE trio and Chrysos Heirs to her level, allowing them to output that amount of damage

Did you happen to read the profiles?

 

[Viery]

Flame Reaver LITERALLY uses Cry Not For The Discarded an ENTIRE patch before what you are claiming.

I’m referring to the 3.2 version, when the story actually tells us that the Flame Reaver just uses those attacks to defeat us in the lore, but whatever. Maybe mydei and Phainon is the reason we can defend that attack?

I will literally make a CRT right now using your exact gameplay argument type vibe scaling to scale the entire verse to 1-B down to Clara, Yanqing, and Hook to prove a point. Welt fighting characters? Time to automatically assume he used his 1-B attack and chainscale the entire verse to 1-B and give them resistance to honkai energy because he can use an ult. I brought Clara into Irontomb fight? Time to chainscale her to 1-B above the Aeons.

I don’t mean that “all gameplay is canon,” but if HoYo really wanted to show that “This Oda, To All Lives” is what puts us on the same level as completed Irontombs, they would have shown it in a scene or included a mechanic requiring you to use the ultimate before Phase 3. Since There’s no scene or text that says the reason we are in the same lvl as Irontombs is simply because those buff.

The Invulnerability mechanic is to show us him being completed and on the level beyond the Emanators to the point nothing they can do can stomp it.

All Epics, as we've written does is disable his invulnerability. Even then, HE HAS THE HIGHEST HP IN THE GAME BY FAR, SURPASSING EVEN THE END GAME HP INFLATION AS A STORY MODE BOSS. We are LITERALLY dealing abnormal damage to portray Irontomb's level and Cyrene's buff on us.

So, is the “unlimited HP” a mechanic meant to show that Irontombs are too “strong,” or is it an "actual" ability that Irontombs have that makes them “invulnerable” and requires an “invulnerability negation” attack to disable?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Attack Potency: Hyperverse level (After Demiurge was gazed upon by Fuli, she used her power to restore and amped March 7th. Alongside the Chrysos Heirs, Demiurge, Trailblazer, and Permansor Terrae, she fought against and defeated Complete Irontomb.

this justification lacks actual statetement regarding them getting amped by remembrance and erudition which is here
Remembrance is obviously Cyrene and erudition is Nous.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I’m referring to the 3.2 version, when the story actually tells us that the Flame Reaver just uses those attacks to defeat us in the lore, but whatever. Maybe mydei and Phainon is the reason we can defend that attack?

We didn't even fight flame reaver in 3.2 btw

I don’t mean that “all gameplay is canon,” but if HoYo really wanted to show that “This Oda, To All Lives” is what puts us on the same level as completed Irontombs, they would have shown it in a scene or included a mechanic requiring you to use the ultimate before Phase 3. Since There’s no scene or text that says the reason we are in the same lvl as Irontombs is simply because those buff.

Brother. The game hasnt bothered doing the entire locking ultimate mechanic AT ALL since 1.X



In the Fate story mode we literally SPAM EXCALIBUR when the only canonical time we actually used Excalibur was during the cutscene. This isnt a debunk

Ill give you 10 bucks if you show a cutscene in Phase 1 or 2 showing Cyrenes memosprite being present like this Phase 3 cutscene

"Since There’s no scene or text that says the reason we are in the same lvl as Irontombs is simply because those buff."
Then disagree with the crt and move on because this is lost cause arguing at this point and it'll just lead into you making this crt impossible to evaluate. You would have to PURPOSELY IGNORE everything the game spoon fed you in order to create a take like this. I'm genuinely ASTONISHED. Like holy hell we're LITERALLY dealing 9 digit damage ON COMPLETE IRONTOMB when the lore of Complete Irontomb is that theyre so far BEYOND emanators to the point we are incapable of doing anything against it.

So, is the “unlimited HP” a mechanic meant to show that Irontombs are too “strong,” or is it an "actual" ability that Irontombs have that makes them “invulnerable” and requires an “invulnerability negation” attack to disable?

Both dude. Epics, As We've written just disables his invulnerability. Without the invulnerability irontomb STILL has MORE HP than Anomaly Arbitration Plight WHALE boss to showcase how strong Complete Irontomb is.

Btw if your argument's motivation is thinking they're permanently this strong. No. Its a temporary buff for that specific fight.

 

[Kavopaco]

currently agreeing with Castorice

 

[Viery]

We didn't even fight flame reaver in 3.2 btw


Brother. The game hasnt bothered doing the entire locking ultimate mechanic AT ALL since 1.X



In the Fate story mode we literally SPAM EXCALIBUR when the only canonical time we actually used Excalibur was during the cutscene. This isnt a debunk

Ill give you 10 bucks if you show a cutscene in Phase 1 or 2 showing Cyrenes memosprite being present like this Phase 3 cutscene

"Since There’s no scene or text that says the reason we are in the same lvl as Irontombs is simply because those buff."
Then disagree with the crt and move on because this is lost cause arguing at this point and it'll just lead into you making this crt impossible to evaluate. You would have to PURPOSELY IGNORE everything the game spoon fed you in order to create a take like this. I'm genuinely ASTONISHED. Like holy hell we're LITERALLY dealing 9 digit damage ON COMPLETE IRONTOMB when the lore of Complete Irontomb is that theyre so far BEYOND emanators to the point we are incapable of doing anything against it.


Both dude. Epics, As We've written just disables his invulnerability. Without the invulnerability irontomb STILL has MORE HP than Anomaly Arbitration Plight WHALE boss to showcase how strong Complete Irontomb is.

Ah I meant 3.1 in this scene when flame reaver use those attack to defeated us, this battle is meant tell us that TB and Castrorice can't defeat flame reaver which is exactly what happened in the next scene.

Yeah, I disagree with the Cyrene amps part, because there is no scene or text that says the reason we are on the same level as completed Irontombs is simply “because” of a Cyrene buff.

Moreover, if you play the game, the “invulnerable” part is just meant to show that Irontombs are too strong—it doesn’t act like an actual ability. There is no proof that Irontombs have a skill that makes them truly invulnerable. By using As We’ve Written to “negate” it, Irontombs with unlimited HP become limited, which is meant to show that we are on the same level as completed Irontombs with the help of As We’ve Written, not just because of a Cyrene buff.

Even the official conclusion of the story says that we are “empowered by both Erudition and Remembrance,” not “empowered by Cyrene."

 

[Voidnether]

Ah I meant 3.1 in this scene when flame reaver use those attack to defeated us, this battle is meant tell us that TB and Castrorice can't defeat flame reaver which is exactly what happened in the next scene.

Yeah, I disagree with the Cyrene amps part, because there is no scene or text that says the reason we are on the same level as completed Irontombs is simply “because” of a Cyrene buff.

Moreover, if you play the game, the “invulnerable” part is just meant to show that Irontombs are too strong—it doesn’t act like an actual ability. There is no proof that Irontombs have a skill that makes them truly invulnerable. By using As We’ve Written to “negate” it, Irontombs with unlimited HP become limited, which is meant to show that we are on the same level as completed Irontombs with the help of As We’ve Written, not just because of a Cyrene buff.

Even the official conclusion of the story says that we are “empowered by both Erudition and Remembrance,” not “empowered by Cyrene."

In which they later threw Flame Reaver using the Century Gate, I hope you understand that the Chrysos Heirs and so on are on the same level as Completed Irontomb because of Remembrance? Cyrene is Remembrance itself, the nature of Remembrance is stated as a causality that transcends time. Empowered by Remembrance refers to Cyrene altogether.

Do you know that even at Path Space when Fuli gazed to Cyrene, it was basically Cyrene herself and not Fuli? That's the nature of Remembrance, you admitted that they had to use As I've Written to negate the Invulnerability, what makes you think that they're not on the same level through said amplification when all the Chrysos Heirs fought Irontomb?

The implications with how the Trailblazer is empowered by Remembrance and Erudition, is because they're empowered by 2 Aeons which is Fuli (Cyrene) and Nous itself, we just got lucky Cyrene didn't choose to be Fuli in the end of time.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

In which they later threw Flame Reaver using the Century Gate, I hope you understand that the Chrysos Heirs and so on are on the same level as Completed Irontomb because of Remembrance? Cyrene is Remembrance itself, the nature of Remembrance is stated as a causality that transcends time. Empowered by Remembrance refers to Cyrene altogether.

Do you know that even at Path Space when Fuli gazed to Cyrene, it was basically Cyrene herself and not Fuli? That's the nature of Remembrance, you admitted that they had to use As I've Written to negate the Invulnerability, what makes you think that they're not on the same level through said amplification when all the Chrysos Heirs fought Irontomb?

The implications with how the Trailblazer is empowered by Remembrance and Erudition, is because they're empowered by 2 Aeons which is Fuli (Cyrene) and Nous itself, we just got lucky Cyrene didn't choose to be Fuli in the end of time.

Tbf it doesn’t matter. The game pretty much spoon fed the information that everyone who fought and damaged Complete Irontomb was buffed to Irontomb’s and Cyrene’s level. He’s practically arguing that a group of 3-B characters who are INFINITES upon INFINITES below 12D were damaging Irontomb instead of them simply scaling due to Cyrene’s buff. It’s pretty much just vibe scaling and agenda scaling at this point.

I don’t even think he realizes that the fuli that buffed Cyrene to complete irontomb level was just Cyrene herself and not the actual fuli. But hey agenda.

 

[Viery]

In which they later threw Flame Reaver using the Century Gate, I hope you understand that the Chrysos Heirs and so on are on the same level as Completed Irontomb because of Remembrance? Cyrene is Remembrance itself, the nature of Remembrance is stated as a causality that transcends time. Empowered by Remembrance refers to Cyrene altogether.

Yes and No? Fuli is the master that control rememberance but rememberance is a path not aeons.

The birth of an Aeon gives rise to a Path. The nature of the Paths remains a mystery, leaving us to draw an analogy in a way that mortals can understand: It's a philosophical concept of sorts.

Moreover, I’m talking about ‘as we’ve written,’ like a memory stored in a book, similar to a Light Cone. Unless you want to say that ‘as we’ve written’ is part of Fuli — or that a Light Cone is part of Fuli as well

And Cyrene who fights the Irontombs is not Fuli, but the future (or past) Cyrene is Fuli.

Do you know that even at Path Space when Fuli gazed to Cyrene, it was basically Cyrene herself and not Fuli? That's the nature of Remembrance, you admitted that they had to use As I've Written to negate the Invulnerability, what makes you think that they're not on the same level through said amplification when all the Chrysos Heirs fought Irontomb?

Because you can see, right before the ‘as we’ve written’ attack lands, that the Irontombs still have unlimited HP?

Tbf it doesn’t matter. The game pretty much spoon fed the information that everyone who fought and damaged Complete Irontomb was buffed to Irontomb’s and Cyrene’s level. He’s practically arguing that a group of 3-B characters who are INFINITES upon INFINITES below 12D were damaging Irontomb instead of them simply scaling due to Cyrene’s buff. It’s pretty much just vibe scaling and agenda scaling at this point.

Because it’s not that simple?. The Cyrene at that moment is not Fuli, so Cyrene’s amplification and Remembrance’s amplification are not the same. And if pointing out this detail is considered having an agenda, then whatever, dude. I’ll just stop talking.

 

[Voidnether]

Yes and No? Fuli is the master that control rememberance but rememberance is a path not aeons.

Moreover, I’m talking about ‘as we’ve written,’ like a memory stored in a book, similar to a Light Cone. Unless you want to say that ‘as we’ve written’ is part of Fuli — or that a Light Cone is part of Fuli as well

And Cyrene who fights the Irontombs is not Fuli, but the future (or past) Cyrene is Fuli.


Because you can see, right before the ‘as we’ve written’ attack lands, that the Irontombs still have unlimited HP?


Because it’s not that simple?. The Cyrene at that moment is not Fuli, so Cyrene’s amplification and Remembrance’s amplification are not the same. And if pointing out this detail is considered having an agenda, then whatever, dude. I’ll just stop talking.

Pure Children of Anasrava's nature are inherent to the nature of Remembrance, it is this simple

Have you not considered, for once that it would literally be self-defeating for you to say Cyrene and Remembrance's amplification are different despite PCoA's nature being inherent to Remembrance, whilst you admitted that it's literally future Cyrene who gazed at the present Demiurge.. It's not even agenda by this point

 

[Viery]

Pure Children of Anasrava's nature are inherent to the nature of Remembrance, it is this simple

Have you not considered, for once that it would literally be self-defeating for you to say Cyrene and Remembrance's amplification are different despite PCoA's nature being inherent to Remembrance, whilst you admitted that it's literally future Cyrene who gazed at the present Demiurge.. It's not even agenda by this point

Are we talking about the key while we are still fighting the completed Irontombs, or after the Irontombs fight? Or what? I'm really confused.

Pure children of Anasrava's nature inherently belong to remembrance (Aeons), not remembrance (Path). We got buffed by remembrance (Path) because the one that negates Irontombs’ invulnerability is, as we've written, part of remembrance (Path),not rememberance(aeons) or not Cyrene, who at that time had not yet become Fuli so it's better to give rememberance amps justification rather than Cyrene amps which will make some of people that read it got misunderstood/confused by leaving a little bit of detail.

I'm even confused as to why Cyrene—who becomes Fuli later in the story—is part of the discussion, since at that time(when we still fight irontombs) Cyrene had not yet become Fuli.

 

[Unqver]

I'm even confused as to why Cyrene—who becomes Fuli later in the story

What

 

[Viery]

What

Is this sarcasm? But whatever.

Cyrene has later become Fuli, but not all Fuli is Cyrene. Therefore, by-products of Fuli, which are 'as we've written' and part of the 'remembrance path,' are not Cyrene Buff. Is that so hard to understand?

 

[Voidnether]

Is this sarcasm? But whatever.

Cyrene has later become Fuli, but not all Fuli is Cyrene. Therefore, by-products of Fuli, which are 'as we've written' and part of the 'remembrance path,' are not Cyrene Buff. Is that so hard to understand?

why would we HAVE THE ENTIRE PURE CHILDREN OF ANASRAVA HELPING US IN THE FIGHT AGAINST IRONTOMB BRO

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

After reading through the arguments, I agree with the CRT. Castorice, Enryu, and Nether also makes more sense

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I agree to the CRT too, as well as the arguments in favor to the OP

 

[ShinMaximillion]

The bits with Cyrene amps key seem straightforward enough, seeing the arguments above, I'm leaning towards the supporting side for this CRT. Normally, I'd be hesitant with the Nous and pseudo imitation Scepter instance, needing more context, as in "Imitations? Any specific particular, or do they mean the whole?", but considering Nous' nature- physical appearances or any related stimuli of all things barely matter in this instance, I'm for it.

Simulated Universe: These so-called inorganic neuron clusters are merely poor imitations of Nous. The Emperor constructed celestial-level computational interference devices and gave them the computational power to answer questions, yet never gave them the function to "ask."

- Tools could never replace the Emperor's thought.

- Tools are not worthy to replace the Emperor's thought.

Looking at it again, yeah, it seems blatant.

I agree, same with the P&A for Scepter to Nous.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

me @PedjaTarzan and @Voidnether can be put into agree because we all also contributed to the sandbox in some shape or form

 

[PedjaTarzan]

this justification lacks actual statetement regarding them getting amped by remembrance and erudition which is here
Remembrance is obviously Cyrene and erudition is Nous.

Put this on profiles and then ill agree

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Put this on profiles and then ill agree

Take a look at the sandboxes

 

[NikHelton]

Agree with additions

seems logic

 

[Voidnether]

The bits with Cyrene amps key seem straightforward enough, seeing the arguments above, I'm leaning towards the supporting side for this CRT. Normally, I'd be hesitant with the Nous and pseudo imitation Scepter instance, needing more context, as in "Imitations? Any specific particular, or do they mean the whole?", but considering Nous' nature- physical appearances or any related stimuli of all things barely matter in this instance, I'm for it.


Looking at it again, yeah, it seems blatant.

I agree, same with the P&A for Scepter to Nous.

All the listed P&A in the Scepter section is based on all those scepters that's considered "unworthy", since the worthy ones like the Emperor's thought are capable of destroying half the universe through its body alone

P&A for Scepters <- Emperor's thought <- Scepter δ-me13 (Irontomb, the first Scepter that's made by Rubert 2 & divine corpus of Nous) <- Nous

Honkai: Star Rail — 3-B + Additions

This calculation is accepted. Scepters are technology created by Rubert II, the Pathstrider of Erudition, and are "poor imitations" of Nous for the unworthy scepters like the Emperor's sword. Scepter δ-me13, the first scepter, is directly part of Nous and destroyed the universe (1-B feat). The...

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