honkai stuff

[PedjaTarzan]

Feat:
(scan) (Puppet string flips entire realm itself therefore kiana falls down)
Supporting evidence for significant higher dimensional size: (scan 1) (scan 2) (scan 3, key words, leads to infinity within boundless space clearly implying space itself is infinite vro) and higher dimensions in honkai are already accepted as significant so…
=immeausrable LS
Who scales? Kiana (overpowered and defeated herrscher of dominance) and High 1-C chars scaling to kiana (HoT Mei, Durandal, Base Kevin) and all 1-B characters, rest are multi stellar fodders

Good bye

 

[PedjaTarzan]

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[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Are the puppet strings ever overpowered with sheer strength? If not, no one truly scales, not even Herrscher of Domination, as this seems more like a feat showing their control over the realm, rather than their strength.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Are the puppet strings ever overpowered with sheer strength? If not, no one truly scales, not even Herrscher of Domination, as this seems more like a feat showing their control over the realm, rather than their strength.

By kiana when they trap her with puppets and strings in the animated short

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

By kiana when they trap her with puppets and strings in the animated short

Perfect, then revision makes sense

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Feat:
(scan) (Puppet string its flip entire realm itself therefore kiana falls down)

I don't know if I'm schizoprenic or anything, how in God Green Earth is this related to Immeasurable Strings????

Like, what are you talking about?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I don't know if I'm schizoprenic or anything, how in God Green Earth is this related to Immeasurable Strings????

Like, what are you talking about?

Litteraly strings being able to flip ENTIRE realm which is what caused kiana to fall down despite jumping up in the first place, no reality warping no gravity shit just strings physically doing that

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Litteraly atrinhg sbeing able to flip ENTIRE realm which is what caused kiana to fall down despite jumping up in the first place, no reality warping no gravity shit just strings physically doing that

Be coherent

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I don't know if I'm schizoprenic or anything, how in God Green Earth is this related to Immeasurable Strings????

Like, what are you talking about?

Flipped an entire pocket universe with the strings

Then the character broke out of them with sheer strength

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Flipped an entire pocket universe with the strings

Then the character broke out of them with sheer strength

I finally understand, thank you.

Anyway, neutral.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Be coherent

i just saw that i completely mispelled what i wanted to say… i should not be turning on genshin before arguing anything

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Honaki

 

[Voidnether]

Yeah this works actually

 

[Yanina92]

Yeah this works actually

isn't this white comet kiana? wouldn't most of hsr characters scale in that case?

 

[Voidnether]

isn't this white comet kiana? wouldn't most of hsr characters scale in that case?

Is it? Isn't white comet kiana is like on the earliest part of Honkai chapters only anyway? This is like chapter 23-25 or something

 

[Yanina92]

Is it? Isn't white comet kiana is like on the earliest part of Honkai chapters only anyway? This is like chapter 23-25 or something

In this video doesn't look like she is wearing an very strong battlesuit, if HSR characters scale to S tier valkyries I don't see why they can't scale

 

[Voidnether]

In this video doesn't look like she is wearing an very strong battlesuit, if HSR characters scale to S tier valkyries I don't see why they can't scale

I still think that's it's Void Drifter Kiana or Herrscher of Flamescion Kiana atleast cause of the description lmao, even if HSR characters scale it's only the LS tbh

 

[PedjaTarzan]

that kiana is far stronger than the early white comet kiana its actually comical, so no this is for her ch25 kiana onwards (flamescion finality and cocoon)

 

[PedjaTarzan]

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[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Not knowledgeable about the verse, but I'll trust Lephyr's word that everything is coherent and say this is fine.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Not knowledgeable about the verse, but I'll trust Lephyr's word that everything is coherent and say this is fine.

First scan straight up suggests the Theater has greater higher dimensions than normal reality, so it's very straightforward imo.

But I'm also not particularly knowledgeable with this verse, so I'm trusting the evidence provided. If there's more context, knowledgeable members should provide it.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

First scan straight up suggests the Theater has greater higher dimensions than normal reality, so it's very straightforward imo.

But I'm also not particularly knowledgeable with this verse, so I'm trusting the evidence provided. If there's more context, knowledgeable members should provide it.

thats basically all in op plus the link i sent, ig i did mess up with not making op coherent enough and then job at being literate so it made it a bit hard to underetand
So this means crt is accepted or?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

So this means crt is accepted or?

Needs another vote

 

[Yanina92]

that kiana is far stronger than the early white comet kiana its actually comical, so no this is for her ch25 kiana onwards (flamescion finality and cocoon)

Now that I remember Fu Hua and Bronya also defeated puppets and Kiana without the power of an herrscher also break through puppet strings, while S-Rank Valkyries are equal to Herrschers and Rita also fought an Herrscher Bronya so they should scale to this because HoR Bronya is superior than this White Comet Kiana for sure so I don't see why they can't be Immeasurable LS. We are sure that this is not an outlier if others can defeat the puppets and break through the strings though? An jump in difference between Class G and Immeasurable needs consistency IMO, if it is I don't have any problem to agree with the thread.

Also I don't think we should separate them in tier from the PE 1st and 2st Herrscher, though this is more for discussion in the general thread than something else.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

i LITERALLY said all 1-B and High 1-Cs (who scale to HofS kiana) scale to kianas Ls Feat vro it obviously includes them too

 

[Yanina92]

i LITERALLY said all 1-B and High 1-Cs (who scale to HofS kiana) scale to kianas Ls Feat vro it obviously includes them too

Bronya is 3-C though-

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Now that I remember Fu Hua and Bronya also defeated puppets and Kiana without the power of an herrscher also break through puppet strings, while S-Rank Valkyries are equal to Herrschers and Rita also fought an Herrscher Bronya so they should scale to this because HoR Bronya is superior than this White Comet Kiana for sure so I don't see why they can't be Immeasurable LS. We are sure that this is not an outlier if others can defeat the puppets and break through the strings though? An jump in difference between Class G and Immeasurable needs consistency IMO, if it is I don't have any problem to agree with the thread.

Also I don't think we should separate them in tier from the PE 1st and 2st Herrscher, though this is more for discussion in the general thread than something else.

now for rest, uh so defeating puppets=/scaling to strings unless they physically overpower strings too but i could be wrong, tho like almost everyone from that arc onward is massively stronger so i dont think theres any outlier in between,
S rank valks other than Cecilia scale to tier 1 tho there arent that many valkyries who are S rank anyway (for current era its durandal rita and sushang lol)

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Bronya is 3-C though-

uhh what? i tought hi3 profiles got updated too no wonder shiroiyo suggested re scaling

 

[Yanina92]

now for rest, uh so defeating puppets=/scaling to strings unless they physically overpower strings too but i could be wrong, tho like almost everyone from that arc onward is massively stronger so i dont think theres any outlier in between,
S rank valks other than Cecilia scale to tier 1 tho there arent that many valkyries who are S rank anyway (for current era its durandal rita and sushang lol)

Kiana also managed to break through the puppets and break their strings she didn't have the power of an Herrscher. I can see they're stronger than before but they're between the same rank no? Like I remember Fu Hua being A-Tier Valkyrie and she is even depowered here, if they're stronger I don't think they can take against an Herrscher alone, S-Tier Valkyries should scale from it for sure as they can fight/are equal to Herrschers are much stronger than an depowered Fu Hua and Bronya.

Sure but most of them should scale to at least the most basic Herrscher, I don't remember the PE Herrschers being that strong though.

uhh what? i tought hi3 profiles got updated too no wonder shiroiyo suggested re scaling

Yeah someone needs to do the Flamescion Kiana / God Otto / Removing the Kalpas Statement CRT too, idk how to do CRT (I never did one-)

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Kiana also managed to break through the puppets and break their strings she didn't have the power of an Herrscher. I can see they're stronger than before but they're between the same rank no? Like I remember Fu Hua being A-Tier Valkyrie and she is even depowered here, if they're stronger I don't think they can take against an Herrscher alone, S-Tier Valkyries should scale from it for sure as they can fight/are equal to Herrschers are much stronger than an depowered Fu Hua and Bronya.

Sure but most of them should scale to at least the most basic Herrscher, I don't remember the PE Herrschers being that strong though.

Yeah someone needs to do the Flamescion Kiana / God Otto / Removing the Kalpas Statement CRT too, idk how to do CRT (I never did one-)

This also wouldn't scales to HSR characters? Since well, Trailblazer is at least comparable to S-Rank Valkyries, and most of HSR characters scales to Trailblazer

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

now for rest, uh so defeating puppets=/scaling to strings unless they physically overpower strings too but i could be wrong

This would be correct. They need to actually show overpowering the strings themselves through strength to scale to this.

Kiana also managed to break through the puppets and break their strings

This doesn't scale because she's hitting them, not pulling them apart, which is what would scale them to the LS.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

This also wouldn't scales to HSR characters? Since well, Trailblazer is at least comparable to S-Rank Valkyries, and most of HSR characters scales to Trailblazer

Emanators are fine (esp peak ones like zephyro phainon acheron etc)
not sure abt cornerstone and lower since S rank comparasion came after beating emanator sunday (fake ending, but still applies afterward)

 

[Yanina92]

This would be correct. They need to actually show overpowering the strings themselves through strength to scale to this.

This doesn't scale because she's hitting them, not pulling them apart, which is what would scale them to the LS.

So if they pull the puppets apart they wouldn't scale? I mean bcs the strings are connected to the puppets and Kiana make them pull apart by hitting them.

Also unless I missed something here Kiana pulled the strings apart before turning Herrscher tho

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Emanators are fine (esp peak ones like zephyro phainon acheron etc)
not sure abt cornerstone and lower since S rank comparasion came after beating emanator sunday (fake ending, but still applies afterward)

Divide by 10 fr

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

So if they pull the puppets apart they wouldn't scale?

Correct. They need to pull apart the strings themselves.

Also unless I missed something here Kiana pulled the strings apart before turning Herrscher tho

This is the scene that scales her to the strings, yes. If it causes scaling problems, you need to discuss that.

 

[Yanina92]

Correct. They need to pull apart the strings themselves. This is the scene that scales her to the strings, yes. If it causes scaling problems, you need to discuss that.

Well, main scaling issue I had was if a depowered Fu Hua and Bronya were meant to scale to this, as that would create significant inconsistencies. However, if they don’t scale then I don’t see a real problem since Kiana even without her Herrscher powers appears to be stronger than them. I don't think this would cause scaling problems if the ones that would scale to this would've Herrschers / S-Tier Valkyries and not every lower valkyrie, so in that case I'm inclined more to an agreement.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Well, main scaling issue I had was if a depowered Fu Hua and Bronya were meant to scale to this, as that would create significant inconsistencies. However, if they don’t scale then I don’t see a real problem since Kiana even without her Herrscher powers appears to be stronger than them. I don't think this would cause scaling problems if the ones that would scale to this would've Herrschers / S-Tier Valkyries and not every lower valkyrie, so in that case I'm inclined more to an agreement.

I mean the emphasis of the feat relies mostly on Kiana herself as she not only overpowered the puppets strings but tore them apart completely and even managed to defeat the HoD herself, while fu hua and bronya took down regular puppets
I wanna emphasize that kiana was overpowering the strings from HoD herself while other puppets are generally weaker than HoD herself

 

[Yanina92]

I mean the emphasis of the feat relies mostly on Kiana herself as she not only overpowered the puppets strings but tore them apart completely and even managed to defeat the HoD herself, while fu hua and bronya took down regular puppets
I wanna emphasize that kiana was overpowering the strings from HoD herself while other puppets are generally weaker than HoD herself

Yeah, I had the issue because Fu Hua managed to defeat the puppets and it look like these were pulled off but if that only scales to AP I don't have any problem.

Still Kiana managed to defeat HoD after transforming, before she without her herrscher powers managed to break off the strings and then hold her sword. In that case S-Tier Valkyries and Herrschers should scale to this, if lower valkyries doesn't then I'm ok with this.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

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[PedjaTarzan]

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