Homulilly vs Nihilus

[RKGenki]

So, if he's inside the barrier

-battle starts, both get mindhaxed

-Nihilus kills himself while Homura dies to the other passives

-She gets brought back by her type 8

For this to work he needs to be able to kill himself, so can he?

 

[Schnee_One]

He can try to impale himself, to which the Saber harmlessly passes through.

 

[DMUA]

Nihilus will be more likely to be pulled towards Homura by which case he gets powernulled.

 

[RKGenki]

What happens if he destroys his own mask/armor?

 

[Schnee_One]

Why when she gets passively soul absorbed repeatedly?

 

[Schnee_One]

What happens if he destroys his own mask/armor?

He's a spirit, they don't do shit.

 

[Kaltias]

Homulilly's body is soulless

 

[RKGenki]

On the profile it says he put his soul into them

 

[Schnee_One]

Homulilly's body is soulless

Ah

 

[Schnee_One]

On the profile it says he put his soul into them

Well yeah so he doesn't look like a spirit.

Remove it and it doesn't do shit.

 

[RKGenki]

Why when she gets passively soul absorbed repeatedly?

The drain that might do something is the life drain (it should be stronger than you average witch right?)

That is, if we don't consider her being near base KG an outlier (why would we actually?)

 

[Nico-v11]

Who has a higher range in Mind Hax? That could be a defining factor right there. Who ever has the higher range will do it first

 

[RKGenki]

They both start in range

Also she's going to get a range upgrade

 

[Schnee_One]

Who has a higher range in Mind Hax? That could be a defining factor right there. Who ever has the higher range will do it first

Nihilus is Stellar, a Homulily is tens of kilometers

Range is meaningless but yeah.

 

[Nico-v11]

Voting inconclusive unless proven otherwise

 

[RKGenki]

Please join this discussion to resolve a little problem regarding this and other matchups

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Because Homura scares me..voting Inconclusive

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Homulilly isn't passive tho... It's subconscious

 

[Kaltias]

So?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Even something subconscious requires thought, which is <<<passive speed

 

[Kaltias]

? Subconscious doesn't require thought. An example of subconscious action are reflexes.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

It doesn't require normal thought, but it's still not as fast as passive, otherwise instinctive reaction would be easy for everyone.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Passive = It's already in effect

Subconsciously = It needs to be activated, but this activation doesn't need thinking

 

[Kaltias]

Again, and this is relevant how?

Homulilly gets mind haxed because Nihilus stands there.

After that, he gets mind haxed back because Homulilly's hax is subconscious, so the fact that she doesn't want to actively mind hax Nihilus changes nothing.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Pretty sure Nihilus' passive hax is more than just mind-based, unless Homu resists the rest.

 

[Schnee_One]

Soul Manipulation is the only other one and she's soulless

 

[Kaltias]

It's mind + soul.

Only the former is there for Nihilus to affect it.

 

[Schnee_One]

Kal got ninja'd

 

[Kaltias]

She is technically not soulless (although her body is), her soul is just stored somewhere else.

Granted, the "somewhere else" was preventing Madoka from taking that soul, so.

 

[DMUA]

Bump

 

[Schnee_One]

Just noticed Genki revolves around Nihilus killing Homu with other Passives

Issue is Nihilus won't kill her, he usually makes slaves.

 

[RKGenki]

So he'd ask his new slave to kill him? In which case power drain gg or bfr gg.

That is, if her subconscious mind hax carries the "willing to kill" from SBA.

If not, inconclusive as generally Homulilly's subconscious mind hax doesn't make her victims kill themselves.

 

[Schnee_One]

Then why did you say Homulily would make Nihilus kil himself?

How can she do those if she gets mindhaxes tho?

 

[Kaltias]

I mean forcing someone to kill you kinda falls under "Suicide" if you ask me.

Because Nihilus forces her to do kill him (Under those assumptions).

I don't think that SBA and Homulilly's subconscious mind hax would interact that way though. I mean she doesn't really control it. It just more or less just happens.

So both incapacitate because Nihilus is never going to harm her, as he doesn't wannt to, and same for Homulilly

 

[RKGenki]

I mean, if she's willing to kill then her mind hax would also make them kill themselves theoretically.

Thing is, it being subconscious makes it unclear.

If they're both mindhaxed, and assuming the above is true, then him asking his slave to kill him would lead to her using her hax to kill him as he asked.

But since it prbably isn't true, this remains inconclusive.

Edit: aand ninjad

 

[Kaltias]

Edit: aand ninjad

 

[Schnee_One]

5 for inconclusive I believe?

Wow, knew Nihilus was broken but not inconclusive against Homulily broken

 

[Schnee_One]

I mean forcing someone to kill you kinda falls under "Suicide" if you ask me

?

 

[Kaltias]

I was talking about what Genki said.

Nihilus turns her into his slave, she makes him willing to kill himself, he forces her to kill him.

Which is what would happen if Homulilly's subconscious mind hax worked like any other Witch Kiss, but it doesn't

 

[Schnee_One]

I will make a minor nitpick, Nihilus doesn't ask people to be his lave, they just are.

The quote in his page is exactly this.