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Hit vs Anilaza

Kin201 said:
He definitely did hold back with Kale. That fight with Jiren was when he actually used his SSB at full power. His strategy, through the entire tournament, was to conserve his stamina before fighting Jiren, did you somehow forget this?
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When was that statement made?

Kin201 said:
He was seemingly overpowered while greatly holding back in power. He sustained no visible damage whatsoever, and showed no signs of fatigue after firing that Kamehameha on Kale, which appeared later to have some effects on her.
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Wrong, at the end of the clip I sent, you can see him buried in the rock saying ow and in pain. And no kale no sold the kamehameha, the reason she threw him away and started steaming was because as stated by piccolo, she couldn't control her power, that's why immediately after she started rampaging again.

Kin201 said:
Because he didn't have the chance to do that. There was something weird about Kale which he and the others noticed and she then just threw him away.

As I said, the first time Goku actually goes SSB at full power is when he fights Jiren. A kaioshin from U10 explicitly says that if SSB Goku loses against Jiren, then it's all over for anyone else. That is the same Kaioshin who saw Kale overpower a casual SSB and get one-shot by Jiren before.
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That doesn't hinder my point, actually kale could've stomped him if it weren't for her condition but Goku had ample time to power up when he saw her walk through his kamehameha and struggle with her grabbing his face.
11 universe kaioshin said so because Goku could still amp to kaioken 20x which at the time was the strongest anyone is at except Jiren, caulifula and kale simply improved by then.
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
How was she improving that quickly when she literally barely fought un the tournament? And to such a ridiculous degree no less.

I could POSSIBLY see an argument for Goku gaining a zenkai (although that massive with nothing to support it is a big no), but Caulifla? Hell no. She barely even fought in the tournament, and even after Goku battled Jiren, Cabba wanted them to preserve their energy and yse fusion now that their ace, Hit, was eliminated. Caulifla and Kale were always said to be weaker than Hit, and that includes Berserker Kale and SSJ2 Caulifla. They only surpassed Hit when fusing into Kefla
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I don't know. But she did improve that's all.
The only good point I see is hitting being the trump card, but by then he'd already been knocked out, so they could've totally surpassed him.
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
When was that statement made?
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When he fights Kefla. The point is I showed his strategy is to conserve his stamina.
FluffyCreatureZ said:
11 universe kaioshin said so because Goku could still amp to kaioken 20x which at the time was the strongest anyone is at except Jiren, caulifula and kale simply improved by then.
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No he did not? Right after all of his efforts in his base, SSJ, SSJ2 and SSJG failed, he goes Blue. And the moment he goes Blue, that Kaioshin makes this statement. The Kaioshin never knows Goku can amp Blue with Kaioken because his fight with Jiren is the first time he shows Kaioken in ToP. That statement is explicitly referring to his SSB at full power. You are assuming he has knowledge about Kaioken for no reason.
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
That is not U10's Kai, since U10's kai is Gowasu. That is likely another kai.
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Ok, thanks. I was confused a bit.
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
That doesn't hinder my point, actually kale could've stomped him if it weren't for her condition but Goku had ample time to power up when he saw her walk through his kamehameha and struggle with her grabbing his face.
11 universe kaioshin said so because Goku could still amp to kaioken 20x which at the time was the strongest anyone is at except Jiren, caulifula and kale simply improved by then.

I don't know. But she did improve that's all.
The only good point I see is hitting being the trump card, but by then he'd already been knocked out, so they could've totally surpassed him.
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Actually, I just checked. You're right that the Kaioshin already knew he could use Kaioken because he watched Goku's fight with the wolfman. I forgot that.
 
Kin201 said:
When he fights Kefla. The point is I showed his strategy is to conserve his stamina.
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That just means he's holding back against kefla. It doesn't mean Goku was holding back against everyone until Jiren, in fact it implies that Goku's been holding back the entire time which isn't true at all. This statement happens after he fights Jiren so it doesn't prove anything.

Kin201 said:
No he did not? Right after all of his efforts in his base, SSJ, SSJ2 and SSJG failed, he goes Blue. And the moment he goes Blue, that Kaioshin makes this statement. The Kaioshin never knows Goku can amp Blue with Kaioken because his fight with Jiren is the first time he shows Kaioken in ToP. That statement is explicitly referring to his SSB at full power. You are assuming he has knowledge about Kaioken for no reason.
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Actually, u11's supreme kai knows about kaioken because Goku used it against bergamo.
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:

No she literally did not, after she walked through Goku's kamehameha, she started breathing heavy and threw him away, then piccolo immediately after says it's because she can't control her power.
Nah using krillin as an example is bad, because it's made very clear that krillin can't keep up with Goku and that Goku is not holding back. Does this look like goku is holding back to you?
Kale-is-One-of-the-Few-Characters-to-Make-Goku-Shake.jpg

She literally grabbed him like this and he couldn't get out and then she threw him away.
If he really was holding back and just testing her, then why didn't he power up and fight her equally like krillin? Maybe because he COULDN'T? Yeah he was not hurt because just as he was about to get pummeled, she started getting out of control.
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There must be showings that indicate Kale isn't SSB Goku's level. I'm just lazy to find them because to me that's kinda common. Her fight with him in the video above doesn't clearly indicate she is SSB's Goku level at all. Goku didn't exert much effort against her as you portrayed he did.
Darkz said:
I believe this has turned from Hit vs Anilaza to Kale and Caulifla vs Goku, lmao.
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Yeah. I feel like I was derailing the thread. I think I will stop this.
 
Anyway, I did some research.
Turns out the majority believe Goku was holding back, the same is said in this thread.
Opinions ain't decisive prolly but just thought I'd say this.
 
Kin201 said:
There must be showings that indicate Kale isn't SSB Goku's level. I'm just lazy to find them because to me that's kinda common. Her fight with him in the video above doesn't clearly indicate she is SSB's Goku level at all. Goku didn't exert much effort against her as you portrayed he did.

Yeah. I feel like I was derailing the thread. I think I will stop this.
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Dunno man, no selling an SSB kamehameha then looking like this
Kale-is-One-of-the-Few-Characters-to-Make-Goku-Shake.jpg

and getting overpowered and being unable to escape kind of seems like SSB level to me dunno about you.
Anyway anilaza stomps.
 
Yeah back on topic...
Anilaza just has too much firepower and power in general.
Sure Hit has his time hax and improvement but I don't think that's enough.
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
He can drink his own blood after he's crushed.
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I’ll drink your blood if you don’t stop now

Hit is literally taking this fight as seriously as he can. Do you expect him to just STAND there and let him get punched? Cuz that is literally your zero braincell dumbass mindset right there.
 
Coolboy6 said:
I’ll drink your blood if you don’t stop now

Hit is literally taking this fight as seriously as he can. Do you expect him to just STAND there and let him get punched? Cuz that is literally your zero braincell dumbass mindset right there.
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Hit can't do anything about this. A Goku who is stronger couldn't.
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Also what if Anilaza just makes a giant supernova and destroys the whole damn arena?
Hit can't fly but he can. On the topic of supernovas, can hit even do anything about them?
 
By the way just saying, Anilaza can spam his portal shenanigans.
This doesn't have anything to do with the goku stuff, just saying.
 
Darkz said:
Also what if Anilaza just makes a giant supernova and destroys the whole damn arena?
Hit can't fly but he can. On the topic of supernovas, can hit even do anything about them?
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Again, can hit do anything about this.
 
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