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Hit vs Anilaza
- Thread starter Coolboy6
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Hit dies bruh. Anilaza claps 5 people even stronger than hit.
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Hit ~ Ultimate Gohan ~ Golden Freeza ~ Android 17 ~ SSB Goku <<< berserker kale < controlled kale + SSJ2 Caulifula < SSJ2 Goku post sign 1 <<< SSG Goku < base Anilaza
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"My TiMe sKIp iS unBEAtAble!" splat
Probably a stomp for anilaza.
Probably a stomp for anilaza.
Darkz
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Didn't Blue Goku before the tournament beat Hit?
Also, keep in mind Goku and Vegeta got MUCH stronger throughout the entire tournament.
Also Anilaza probably has a huge power advantage, he took Goku, Vegeta, Frieza, Gohan and 17's blasts in a struggle and was even somewhat winning.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Goku was holding back against Kale to test her power. Goku never used the full power of SSB before fighting Jiren
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Why is that true? Goku was clearly overpowered when kale walked through his kamehameha and grabbed his face and he couldn't escape it.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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He literally held back. Goku was just testing her power, Besides, he didn't used SSB's full power since its draining and he needed to keep his stamina for tougher foes such as Jiren. It was also made pretty clear that Goku only actually used his full power when fighting against Jiren
And Kale did not take this undamaged. While she walked through the Kamehameha, she was exhausted afterwards and her rampage was stopped
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Yeah he was testing her power as a SSJ then got slapped, so he turned blue yet still got slapped around still, there was no indication that he was holding back, in fact he got overpowered and couldn't escape in blue and he definitely didn't look like he was holding back. Do you have a scan that proves SSB goku was holding back until Jiren? And yeah kale completely tanked the kamehameha, the reason she started smoking was because she couldn't control her power. Right after, her rampage got more intense.
Darkz
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Does... that matter? Sure Dyspo is strong but he's not literally stronger than five SSB~ fighters.
Not to mention Dyspo wasn't even in his "super speed mode" or whatever.
I suppose your argument is that Hit could perhaps stall and improve and eventually surpass Anilaza, but I doubt that.
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Hit ~< Dyspo <<< Light Bullet Dyspo <<< Super High Speed Mode Dyspo ~ Ultimate Gohan < Golden Frieza =< SSB Goku <<< Anilaza.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Why would Goku suddenly go full power rather than just continue to test her? Goku used SSB against Krillin too so does that mean Krillin is SSB level apperantly? There's nothing to suggest Goku wasn't holding back and the fact that he literally tested her abilities with that form before, as well as Goku's overall strategy is to conserve his energy as much as he can until he'll challange the big threat, which is Jiren
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Hit actually adapted himself to later keep up and overpower Dyspo later, and he dealt with Jiren better than Pre-UIO SSBKK20 Goku did
Gilad_Hyperstar
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I'm not sure. But considering that Hit:
1) Has some pretty good time abilities to dodge Anilaza's attack and/or make himself intangible
2) Is easily far more skilled than Anilaza (especially since Anilaza's intelligence is like animalistic)
He might be able last long enough to adapt to Anilaza's level, and given how fast he adapted from Dyspo's level to giving Jiren more trouble than SSBKK20 Pre-UIO Goku, he's certainly no joke in terms of how fast he can grow
1) Has some pretty good time abilities to dodge Anilaza's attack and/or make himself intangible
2) Is easily far more skilled than Anilaza (especially since Anilaza's intelligence is like animalistic)
He might be able last long enough to adapt to Anilaza's level, and given how fast he adapted from Dyspo's level to giving Jiren more trouble than SSBKK20 Pre-UIO Goku, he's certainly no joke in terms of how fast he can grow
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Because he was getting pummeled? If Goku was just testing her then he'd fight her at a level where they can both fight equally, but all of goku's attacks were worthless against her and he got completely overpowered, she grabbed his face and was about to destroy him before she started to lose control.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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No. Kale took a lot of damage from the attack and she was heavily breathing afterwards when she unleashed her powers.
And Goku went SSJ and then SSB against Krillin as well to test him, so does by your logic Krillin >>>> SSJ Goku? His Kamehameha made Goku's Kamehameha struggle a bit so he should definitely be >>> SSJ Goku right? No.
Also, despite getting hit by Kale, Goku was relatively unscathed after her beating, and still had a lot of stamina left to battle Jiren, so Goku wasn't even hurt that much, nor he needed to resort into any higher form (SSBKK). Unless you say she's stronger than that too?
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No she literally did not, after she walked through Goku's kamehameha, she started breathing heavy and threw him away, then piccolo immediately after says it's because she can't control her power.
Nah using krillin as an example is bad, because it's made very clear that krillin can't keep up with Goku and that Goku is not holding back. Does this look like goku is holding back to you?
She literally grabbed him like this and he couldn't get out and then she threw him away.
If he really was holding back and just testing her, then why didn't he power up and fight her equally like krillin? Maybe because he COULDN'T? Yeah he was not hurt because just as he was about to get pummeled, she started getting out of control.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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It's clear she suffered damage from the attack, given by her heavy breathing and that her rampage was stopped, and only later she released Goku and sended ki blasts everywhere
Goku literally held back against Krillin too, yet still went Blue for some reason. If you genuinely think Krillin is above SSJ Goku, since he apperantly forced Goku to go Blue, then I really have nothing else to say to you
Actually yes, since Goku basically emerged unscathed from her attacks and didn't felt the need to resort to SSBKK despite the same form helping him to escale tough situations (like against Fused Zamasu)Does this look like goku is holding back to you?
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Not to mention Kale's LSSJ2 form is stronger than her Berserker form as well...
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He got a zenkai after his sign 1.
No bullshit, she no sold the attack, you're saying she didn't but she felt the effects of the attack 10 seconds after it hit? Bruh bullshit. Piccolo literally says it's because she can't control her power.
I don't believe krillin is stronger than SSJ Goku because we know for a fact that Goku was holding back as we know exactly how strong krillin is, and he never overpowered Goku, but kale literally overpowered goku and no sold his attack and he couldn't stop her. And your argument that he's holding back makes no sense to what we see on screen.
No he didn't emerge unscathed he was in pain, watch the end of the clip. The reason he never used kaioken was because he didn't get the chance to as kale let him go and started rampaging.
Darkz
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Indeed he did. However, keep in mind he was still severely tired and exhausted. Also would you think that the zenkai was so strong that he only needed God to handle both of them and also overpower them, whilst a form 50~ (don't quote me on that) times stronger than god in your terms, couldn't even handle one of them and was overpowered?
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I don't see the problem, SSG Goku nay, scratch that, SSJ2 Goku grew strong enough to overpower both of them at the same time even while fatigued while an at least 50 times stronger form got beaten by a weaker 1 of them.
SSG Goku < SSB Goku < Berserk kale < Controlled kale + SSJ2 caulifula < SSJ2 Goku < SSG Goku.
That's just a phenomenal zenkai.
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Not true because Goku wasn't serious or rather, not going all-out against them.
This video of yours shows that Goku says "I'm gonna use more power" and proceeds to go Blue. He never says "I'm gonna go all-out". More power =/= going all out. If he goes all-out, then he will exhaust before fighting Jiren. So, Kale being able to overpower a casual SSB Goku is irrelevant.
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That doesn't debunk anything, all out means he's also gonna use kaioken but he didn't, this means it doesn't debunk Goku using 100% of blue's power. Also again, you all got a scan that says Goku used full power of SSB against Jiren ONLY?
Looking at the fight with kale, he got completely over powered by her, if he was really holding back and testing her then why didn't he power up to fight her equally? He could sense her ki, so if he could just flex his ki and then stomp her then why didn't he when he was clearly in danger?
Gilad_Hyperstar
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And somehow SSJ2 Caulifla on her own was somewhat comparable to SSJ2 Goku, and the same also applies during their intial battle that caused Kale to go Berserk
So Goku matches Caulifla's SSJ2 with his own SSJ2, and even post Zenkai, Goku still needs to go SSJ or SSJ2 to keep up with SSJ2 Caulifla, even though by your logic SSJ Goku Post Zenkai >>> SSB Goku Pre-UIO, and therefore should stomp the living crap out of her
Also that would mean SSJ2 Caulifla would be stronger than Hit, who was literally stated to be U6's trump card...
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Caulifula was improving massively through the tournanent. Caulifula was actually getting beaten by base Goku before he went SSJ2, but then she grew strong enough to somewhat keep up with him, then her and kale together could push SSJ2 Goku and at their best, push him to SSJ3.
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He definitely did hold back with Kale. That fight with Jiren was when he actually used his SSB at full power. His strategy, through the entire tournament, was to conserve his stamina before fighting Jiren, did you somehow forget this?
He was seemingly overpowered while greatly holding back in power. He sustained no visible damage whatsoever, and showed no signs of fatigue after firing that Kamehameha on Kale, which appeared later to have some effects on her.
Because he didn't have the chance to do that. There was something weird about Kale which he and the others noticed and she then just threw him away.
As I said, the first time Goku actually goes SSB at full power is when he fights Jiren. A kaioshin from U10 explicitly says that if SSB Goku loses against Jiren, then it's all over for anyone else. That is the same Kaioshin who saw Kale overpower a casual SSB and get one-shot by Jiren before.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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How was she improving that quickly when she literally barely fought un the tournament? And to such a ridiculous degree no less.
I could POSSIBLY see an argument for Goku gaining a zenkai (although that massive with nothing to support it is a big no), but Caulifla? Hell no. She barely even fought in the tournament, and even after Goku battled Jiren, Cabba wanted them to preserve their energy and yse fusion now that their ace, Hit, was eliminated. Caulifla and Kale were always said to be weaker than Hit, and that includes Berserker Kale and SSJ2 Caulifla. They only surpassed Hit when fusing into Kefla
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