Hinata Uzumaki vs Orihime Kurosaki (Battle of Wives)

[TheFinalOrder]

Location: World Tournament Stage (DBZ)

SoM: In Character

• Speed Equal

Who takes it?

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Bump

 

[Mickey1940]

Hinata stomps no effort, but since morals are on, they would become friends and make their kids go on playdates or something. Turn off morals if you want a real fight

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Should go to Orihime. Hinata doesn't possess the strength to even scratch Orihime's Santen Kesshun while Koten Zanshun would very easily hurt and cut through Hinata who lacks really any durability feats after her fight with Neji, especially bladed durability which Naruto characters are susceptible to. Even if Hinata got an actual hit on Orihime herself, Orihime's taken a smack from Yammy who is above Hinata in terms of strength.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

I don't think Orihime wants to get hit by Gentle Fist.

 

[Mickey1940]

Hinata is far stronger, faster and more expierienced than Orihime.

 

[Mickey1940]

When did Orihime take a hit from Yammy?

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Hinata isn't faster, but that doesn't matter as it's equalized. It's true though that she's physically stronger, but she's not strong enough to scratch Santen Kesshun and Orihime's offense is strong enough to cut through Hinata.

Orihime took a hit from Yammy when Yammy and Ulquiorra first visited Karakura Town at the start of the Arrancar Arc.

 

[Mickey1940]

Good point, but neither of them would fight regardless due to their morals being tured on

 

[Mickey1940]

• turned

 

[Huesito88]

Sba: in character but willing to kill

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Hmmm...

Hinata is more experienced overall, is physically superior, has better awareness/senses via the Byakugan and is the better HtH fighter. Problem is that Orihime's abilities basically negate all of that. Her barriers are too tough for Hinata to break through. Also, even if Hinata were to find a way to score a bit of damage, Orihime could easily heal or undo it unless Hinata stays on her. It doesn't help that the vast majority of Hinata's techniques are melee range and the one longer ranged technique lacks enough brute force to be truly effective.

On the other side, Orihime has the better abilities but she doesn't have the offensive capability to deal with Hinata. Koten Zanshun is a nice ability but I don't see Orihime tagging Hinata with it due to her Byakugan and level of agility. In addition, I would only see Shiten Kōshun working once and then Hinata would stay away from it.

Thus, I see an impasse. Hina doesn't have a real way of overcoming Hime's defenses but Hime lacks a consistent way to do any real damage to Hina.

So, I'll vote inconclusive.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Oh, and for whose the better waifu: Orihime.

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[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Koten Zanshun should be able to tag Hinata, unless the speed of Orihime's Shun Shun Rikka is also being equalized, because the 6 petals were fast enough to block strikes from Yhwach himself and Yhwach's Reiatsu torrent.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Koten Zanshun should be able to tag Hinata, unless the speed of Orihime's Shun Shun Rikka is also being equalized, because the 6 petals were fast enough to block strikes from Yhwach himself and Yhwach's Reiatsu torrent.

Straight from the Versus Thread Rules:

"When making a speed equalized match, all speed statistics are considered equalized, including speed gained through statitstic-amplifying techniques and transformations."

So even the attack speed of Koten Zanshun is equalized.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Hinata also has Rotation, let's not forget.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Hinata also has Rotation, let's not forget.

Maybe in the Anime but she never demonstrates it in the manga and we don't have it listed on her profile. Said profile also notes that she has more techniques in the anime but here on the site, we focus on her canon manga abilities.

 

[TheRustyOne]

I vote for Orihime Mid to High Difficulty.

Hinata is obviously more skilled but that is it, her attacks can't pass Santen Kesshun and Orihime can easily switch Santen Kesshun to Shiten Koshun to reflect Hinata's attack right back at her.

Orihime also only has to get one hit to win since she has the AP advantage and Standard Battle Assumtion make both willing to kill each other so Orihime will have the nerve to kill Hinata.

Hinata isn't getting past Santen Kesshun.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

Hinata should win this fight. She has far better combat experience and physical stat than Orihime considering the fact Hinata was trained as a ninja since a young girl whereas Orihime didn't got her power until she was 15. Surving an Almighty Push from Pain that can label the entire Karakura Town is more impressive than surviving a bitch slap from Yammy. Let's not forget Hinata is part alien due to being a descendant of the Otsutsuki Clan. Orihime's Shun Shun Rikka wouldn't really matter since Hinata can bypass durability with Gentle Fist and easily shatter her Santen Kesshun, and Soten Kisshun. If Orihime tries to use Koten Zanshun to attack Hinata, since Hinata is fast due to being a ninja, she can easily protect herself creating an absolute defensive technique called Protecting Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms which was able to stop hundreds of target from attacking her. It now all comes down to Shiten Koshun. Will Hinata attack her head-on in this case? Not really. She could easily create diversion with explosive tag and paper which can catch Orihime off guard making her wide open enough to get hit by Eight Trigrams Twin Lions Crumbling Attack to the face.

 

[TheRustyOne]

She can't bypass Orihime's defense at all.

Hinata AP Town level

Orihime Dura Town level+ normally and Large Town level with barriers.

Have you read their profiles?

 

[JohnCenaNation]

She can't bypass Orihime's defense at all.
Hinata AP Town level

Orihime Dura Town level+ normally and Large Town level with barriers.

Have you read their profiles?

Gentle Fist bypasses durablility and will wound you severely not matter how strong you are. Or else Hiwari wouldn't have been able to knock Naruto out cold with Gentle Fist, and yes its cannon. If Hinawari was able to hurt Naruto with Gentle Fist, Orihime's Santen Kesshun is a joke to Hinata.

 

[Ezeriot]

Where does town level Hinata even come from? Scaling from Konohamaru or something? Because pretty sure Orihimes showing against Ginjo and Yhwach put her on a higher tier, obviously.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

Where does town level Hinata even come from? Scaling from Konohamaru or something? Because pretty sure Orihimes showing against Ginjo and Yhwach put her on a higher tier, obviously.

Orihime able blocked Ginjo with her sheild and absorbed the impact of his blows returning it back to him. How cute. Orihime was able to block Yhwach 's attack using her shield. How nice. Pretty much both scenior had to do with defensive power, but sadly Gentle Fist doesn't work that way. If it was Strong Fist, it would make sense. But from a taijutsu that ignores durablility? Orihime would dead if she tries to defend herself.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

@JohnCenaNation

While Gentle Fist ignores durability by targeting the Chakra Network with it's strikes. You still have to make actual, phyiscal contact with your target to get that effect.

That's where Orihime's shield come in. Hinata has to be able to get through those to be able to even engage Orihime in HtH combat and, sadly, Hinata doesn't have the capacity to breach that shield quickly or effectively.

Town Level attacks vs Large Town Level shields.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Juuken (Gentle Fist): By taking advantage of the Byakugan, the user can see a person's chakra pathway system. Juuken inflicts internal damage through attacking the body's Chakra Pathway System by injecting chakra into certain pressure points (tenketsu), subsequently injuring internal organs which are closely intertwined with the pathways. Once these tenketsu points are struck, they are in turn sealed and can no longer produce chakra for a certain amount of time, severely limiting the victim's chakra flow.

Yeah, no. Gentle fist requires direct contact with her opponent. Hinata ain't bypassing Orihime shield with her far inferior AP while Orihime can one shot her anytime she wants.

Saying it could bypass Shield is a ridiculous claims. There is a difference between a person durability and a shield durability.

 

[Akreious]

The point of pressure point style fighting is that you don't need to be as physically powerful as your enemy to effect them. Where the hell is this "it won't work" stuff coming from?

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

It won't work cus you need a direct contact with you opponent. Orihime shield has High 7-C dura and Hinata ain't breaking it like, ever.

 

[HST_Master]

Orihime wins this

Hinata would have to get close to use Gentle Fist but Orihime's Santen Kesshun negates this, along with her Soten Kisshun which stops Hinata from even trying to attack her

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

I'm going to change my vote to Orihime. Hinata really can't get at or hurt her and it would only be a matter of time before Orihime starts to tag her with attacks or widdle her down by reflecting the force of her attacks back at her.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

@JohnCenaNation
While Gentle Fist ignores durability by targeting the Chakra Network with it's strikes. You still have to make actual, phyiscal contact with your target to get that effect.

That's where Orihime's shield come in. Hinata has to be able to get through those to be able to even engage Orihime in HtH combat and, sadly, Hinata doesn't have the capacity to breach that shield quickly or effectively.

Town Level attacks vs Large Town Level shields.

Again, Hinata is a ninja, why would she direct attack Orihime head-on when she has ninja tools that she can use as a diversion to make Orihime let her ground down? Shikamaru was a lot weaker than Hidan, and yet he beat him through tactician. Let's look at what Orihime's Santen Kesshun can do. Okay she can create a shield, heal people, attack people, and absorb the impact of an attack before rebounding it back.

As for Hinata, let's looks at her.


Naruto Hinata Protective Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms Moments

She created an absolute defense wall of chakra path in front of her by moving her hands really past at supersonic speed using Gentle Fist? Which is similar to Neji's rotating which was able to stop a gigantic summon from pnetrating through her defense. So yeah Tsubaki won't be able to get through because it destroy the target no matter the size. Why? Because Tsubaki is pretty slow comparing to Hinata's arm, and it bypasses durability.

Orihime was one-shotted by Yammy who at his full strength with his punch can only muster to break the ground Ichigo is standing on. It wasn't Yammy's punch, but rather a simply bitch slap to the face. For that, it wasn't even close to amount of impact you see in the picture.


Hinata was hurl 3 times in the air several feet where at the end, she was hurl into the ground full body, it still wasn't enough to put Hinata down as Pain still thought it was still needed to impale her with the chakra rod. So yeah on physcial state, Hinata takes this.

Now before you ask, Hinata can't penetrate Orihime's sheild with her Gentle Fist, mind telling me how she was able to destroy the Tenseigan which has enough power to power up the entire hollow moon? Now before you tell me, it wasn't Hinata's power alone, it was her chakra combine with base form Naruto. Sorry, but they are combining their chakra using equal amount of chakra to destroy the Tenseigan. Even if Hinata contribute half of the role, she was still there to destroy the Tenseigan.

Now before you mention Orihime's shield manage to casually block Yhwach's attack so destroying the Tenseigan is nothing comparing to Yhwach's weapon. Striking strength =/= destruction. Yhwach couldn't even cleave a wounded Ichigo's neck with his sword when he was serious despite the fact he is capable of blowing up a Yamamoto with a simple blast.
So yeah, Hinata wins.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Can Orihime even see the Vaccum Palm? It also deals internal Damage. I don't see how Orihime can win this, even if she doesn't lose, I don't see her winning either. The skill gap is just too big.

I just want to state this is the Vaccum Palm:

"This technique is similar in practice to Eight Trigrams Palms Revolving Heave, but has a specific target rather than a general area. To perform it, the user precisely pinpoints the enemy's vital points with the Byakuga and releases a high-speed palm thrust. A "vacuum shell" compressed using the Gentle Fist is formed to attack the opponent's vitals from a distance, blowing them off their feet with tremendous force before they even notice they were hit."

I just want to state also that Hinata is going to get a upgraded soon when I finish my CTR threads about the scaling errors, so, this match may change.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

@JohnCenaNation

First off, comparing Hinata to Shikamaru, is laugable. Shikamaru is an outright genius, who also had the advantage of seeing Hidan's style of combat and his techniqes beforehand. It also helps that Hidan is not smart, overconfident because he's immortal and pretty much relies on his scythe and Curse technique.

Going further, Hinata and Orihime are literally going to starting a few meters apart from one another and this is in character. It's Hinata's MO to go with her Gentle Fist. This is in character.

Hinata's Eight Trigrams Defense is unique to the Anime and is not canon. Her profile on this site only counts things true to the manga or have been specifically stated to be canon (like Naruto: The Last). Therefore, any argument involving this technique is considered irrelevant from the get-go.

Also, your little thing on how tough Hinata is doesn't count either. That entire scene of her getting hurled around filler, it is not canon to the manga, where Hinata was taken out a single Shinra Tensei by Pein before Naruto thought that she had been 'killed'. As seen here:

http://images.mangafreak.net/mangas/naruto/naruto_437/naruto_437_13.jpg

http://images.mangafreak.net/mangas/naruto/naruto_437/naruto_437_14.jpg

The rest of your argument basically boils down to the fact the you consider Hinata's showings to be more impressive than Orihime's. However, their profiles don't reflect that. If you don't like that you can make a CRT about it. Because right now, their profiles show that Hinata's only Town Level in AP/DURA while Orihime's Barriers are Large Town Level.

@TheFinalOrder

The Vacuum Palm has never been stated to be invisible. I mean, it might be hard to see but outside of the description itself, there's nothing in the series that's ever commented on it, IIRC.

In addition, the Vacuum Palm doesn't have any capabilities that would allow it to break through Orihime's defenses should it meet them. It's just a blast of chakra that's been aimed at a vital point. It still has to make contact like an actual Gentle Fist strike and has not other special properities to it.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

@JohnCenaNation First off, comparing Hinata to Shikamaru, is laugable. Shikamaru is an outright genius, who also had the advantage of seeing Hidan's style of combat and his techniqes beforehand. It also helps that Hidan is not smart, overconfident because he's immortal and pretty much relies on his scythe and Curse technique.
Going further, Hinata and Orihime are literally going to starting a few meters apart from one another and this is in character. It's Hinata's MO to go with her Gentle Fist. This is in character.

Hinata's Eight Trigrams Defense is unique to the Anime and is not canon. Her profile on this site only counts things true to the manga. Therefore, any argument involving this technique is considered irrelevant from the get-go.

Also, your little thing on how tough Hinata is doesn't count either. That entire scene of her getting hurled around filler, it is not canon to the manga, where Hinata was taken out a single Shinra Tensei by Pein before Naruto thought that she had been 'killed'. As seen here:

http://images.mangafreak.net/mangas/naruto/naruto_437/naruto_437_13.jpg

http://images.mangafreak.net/mangas/naruto/naruto_437/naruto_437_14.jpg

The rest of your argument basically boils down to the fact the you consider Hinata's showings to be more impressive than Orihime's. However, their profiles don't reflect that. If you don't like that you can make a CRT about it. Because right now, their profiles show that Hinata's only Town Level in AP/DURA while Orihime's Barriers are Large Town Level.

@TheFinalOrder

The Vacuum Palm has never been stated to be invisible. I mean, it might be hard to see but outside of the description itself, there's nothing in the series that's ever commented on it, IIRC.

In addition, the Vacuum Palm doesn't have any capabilities that would allow it to break through Orihime's defenses should it meet them. It's just a blast of chakra that's been aimed at a vital point. It still has to make contact like an actual Gentle Fist strike and has not other special properities to it.

And who is the one in charge of making Dragon Ball Super profile based on anime only? I'm sorry, but that is a sign of hyprocrisy, and not everything you see in Naruto anime is filler, it's called anime extension, and yes it's a thing if you look at Dragon Ball Z Kai which is canon due to being faithful to the manga. Destroying the Tenseigan which is powerful enough to power up the entire hollow moon vs blocking Yhwach's sword which couldn't even nick Ichigo's neck. You are telling me Ichigo's neck is stronger than a hollow moon??? Get out of here. Last time I checked Hinata's profile, her Teseigan destruction feat is not even mentioned, so you can't say anything about that.

 

[HST_Master]

@JohnCenaNation

Actually...

┬ÀHinata was able to assist in destroying the Tenseigan because she's a descendant of Hamura therefore she combined her Chakra with Naruto's otherwise his rasengan would've got absorbed she could essentially be traded out with any other Hyuga and it'd be the same result

┬ÀHow is Hinata going to get Orihime to let her guard down with Ninja Tools when Santen Kesshun can now be a dome?

┬À Saying "Tsubaki is slow" is irrelevant because speed is equalized

┬ÀThis is their EoS selves which includes Orihime taking hits from Nnoritora, training with Rukia, timeskip and training in Hueco Mundo

┬ÀAgain Hinata is Town Level+ with Town Level+ Dura, Orihime is Town Level+ ap with Town Level+ Dura and Large Town Level with Santen Kesshun Hinata's not getting past that

┬ÀGentle fist works by attacking a persons organs using your chakra,that would not work on a Barrier

┬ÀYhwach wasnt't able to stab Ichigo because of his subconcious use of Blut Vein not because he was too weak

Also Shikamaru wasn't weaker than Hidan, his immortality and Cursed Jutsu made him difficult to fight but let's not derail

 

[JohnCenaNation]

@JohnCenaNation
Actually...

┬ÀHinata was able to assist in destroying the Tenseigan because she's a descendant of Hamura therefore she combined her Chakra with Naruto's otherwise his rasengan would've got absorbed she could essentially be traded out with any other Hyuga and it'd be the same result

┬ÀHow is Hinata going to get Orihime to let her guard down with Ninja Tools when Santen Kesshun can now be a dome?

┬À Saying "Tsubaki is slow" is irrelevant because speed is equalized

┬ÀThis is their EoS selves which includes Orihime taking hits from Nnoritora, training with Rukia, timeskip and training in Hueco Mundo

┬ÀAgain Hinata is Town Level+ with Town Level+ Dura, Orihime is Town Level+ ap with Town Level+ Dura and Large Town Level with Santen Kesshun Hinata's not getting past that

┬ÀGentle fist works by attacking a persons organs using your chakra,that would not work on a Barrier

┬ÀYhwach wasnt't able to stab Ichigo because of his subconcious use of Blut Vein not because he was too weak

Also Shikamaru wasn't weaker than Hidan, his immortality and Cursed Jutsu made him difficult to fight but let's not derail

Quality over Quantity. If you have more hax than someone, destruction feat doesn't even matter. Shikamaru has less destruction feat than Hidan according to their profile, but Shikamaru still beat Hidan due to having more hax than him. If I recall, didn't Yhwach lost to a city level character from PMM in one of the battle thread due to the other character having hax?

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

@JohnCenaNation First off, comparing Hinata to Shikamaru, is laugable. Shikamaru is an outright genius, who also had the advantage of seeing Hidan's style of combat and his techniqes beforehand. It also helps that Hidan is not smart, overconfident because he's immortal and pretty much relies on his scythe and Curse technique.
Going further, Hinata and Orihime are literally going to starting a few meters apart from one another and this is in character. It's Hinata's MO to go with her Gentle Fist. This is in character.

Hinata's Eight Trigrams Defense is unique to the Anime and is not canon. Her profile on this site only counts things true to the manga. Therefore, any argument involving this technique is considered irrelevant from the get-go.

Also, your little thing on how tough Hinata is doesn't count either. That entire scene of her getting hurled around filler, it is not canon to the manga, where Hinata was taken out a single Shinra Tensei by Pein before Naruto thought that she had been 'killed'. As seen here:

http://images.mangafreak.net/mangas/naruto/naruto_437/naruto_437_13.jpg

http://images.mangafreak.net/mangas/naruto/naruto_437/naruto_437_14.jpg

The rest of your argument basically boils down to the fact the you consider Hinata's showings to be more impressive than Orihime's. However, their profiles don't reflect that. If you don't like that you can make a CRT about it. Because right now, their profiles show that Hinata's only Town Level in AP/DURA while Orihime's Barriers are Large Town Level.

@TheFinalOrder

The Vacuum Palm has never been stated to be invisible. I mean, it might be hard to see but outside of the description itself, there's nothing in the series that's ever commented on it, IIRC.

In addition, the Vacuum Palm doesn't have any capabilities that would allow it to break through Orihime's defenses should it meet them. It's just a blast of chakra that's been aimed at a vital point. It still has to make contact like an actual Gentle Fist strike and has not other special properities to it.

And who is the one in charge of making Dragon Ball Super profile based on anime only? I'm sorry, but that is a sign of hyprocrisy, and not everything you see in Naruto anime is filler, it's called anime extension, and yes it's a thing if you look at Dragon Ball Z Kai which is canon due to being faithful to the manga. Destroying the Tenseigan which is powerful enough to power up the entire hollow moon vs blocking Yhwach's sword which couldn't even nick Ichigo's neck. You are telling me Ichigo's neck is stronger than a hollow moon??? Get out of here. Last time I checked Hinata's profile, her Teseigan destruction feat is not even mentioned, so you can't say anything about that.

We actually have a something addressing both Dragon Ball Super and Kai. Here you go, straight from the Dragon Ball verse under Notes:

Due to considerable contradictions, we do not consider Dragon Ball Kai as part of the main canon, and strictly use the original manga and Dragon Ball Super for scaling the characters.

While the way that we currently scale the characters is not perfect, it is the best solution to the illogical inconsistencies that DBS has given us.


Also, if you had bothered to check Hinata's profile you would see this:

Note: Hinata has several more techniques that are unique to the anime. This profile focuses on the canon manga version, however.

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I already addressed scaling and your interperation of various feats. Since you can't be bothered to put 2 and 2 together, I'll repeat myself:

The rest of your argument basically boils down to the fact the you consider Hinata's showings to be more impressive than Orihime's. However, their profiles don't reflect that. If you don't like that you can make a CRT about it. Because right now, their profiles show that Hinata's only Town Level in AP/DURA while Orihime's Barriers are Large Town Level.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

The thing is, PM verse hax are waaaaaaaay waaaaaaay more broken than anything in Narutoverse could ever came up. You can't compared them.

Even Kaguya lost to a character who is pretty much has less hax than her

 

[JohnCenaNation]

We actually have a something addressing both Dragon Ball Super and Kai. Here you go, straight from the Dragon Ball verse under Notes:

Due to considerable contradictions, we do not consider Dragon Ball Kai as part of the main canon, and strictly use the original manga and Dragon Ball Super for scaling the characters.

Naruto: The Last is canon though, and yet her destructive feat is not even mentioned from that movie.

 

[HST_Master]

</div> Quality over Quantity. If you have more hax than someone, destruction feat doesn't even matter. Shikamaru has less destruction feat than Hidan according to their profile, but Shikamaru still beat Hidan due to having more hax than him. If I recall, didn't Yhwach lost to a city level character from PMM in one of the battle thread due to the other character having hax? </div> Lets try not to quote walls of text

Also what Hax? Shikamaru Blew him up with a assload of Paper Bombs and left him in a hole, that's not hax

And yes the nature of that Hax matters, Yhwach lost because of the nature of the hax

If said hax requires you to touch someone and the have a barrier erected around them, that negates said hax

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Naruto: The Last is canon though, and yet her destructive feat is not even mentioned from that movie.

The Last is canon due to being worked on and signed off by Kishimoto himself and is stated to take place in between Naruto chapter 699 and 700.

As for the feat, it's because she didn't do that by herself. She tried on her own and failed. Naruto then suggested that they combine their chakra together. Naruto is also way more powerful than Hinata. The only thing Hinata had that Naruto didn't was the right kind of chakra.