High 8-C Tournament of MHMF: Markus de Mandelot vs Dam Soo-Cheon

[Naito-desu]

• Markus is at High 8-C and in his Grail Knight key, Dam Soo-Cheon is in his first key
• Speeds are equalized
• Both have their standard equipment, Markus is equipped with a Brettonian longsword and Brettonian sword and shield
• SBA otherwise

Markus:

Dam:

 

[Rikimarox2]

Alrighty, the first match for dam is against a warhammer dude, great.

How skilled is the dude, and what is his first go to move?

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Alrighty, the first match for dam is against a warhammer dude, great.

How skilled is the dude, and what is his first go to move?

Grail Knights are Melee combatants, utilising their flaming enchanted sword/blessings/speed/skill to dispatch people.

Grail Knights are generally comparable to Elf swordsman/Vampires who have centuries of combat experience/Comparable to Swordsmen of Hoeth who can somehow do this with skill (idk)

'It is even said that the highest masters of the order can slay a foe with but a touch, or kill with a single precisely-pitched whistle'

It should be noted Grail Knights have infinite stamina as well.

 

[Rikimarox2]

How skilled are those peeps?

Pretty much everyone in LOTNB train martial arts when they are 6 to 7 years old, and Dam managed to defeat a 100 martial artists one by one, many of them being masters.

To put it in comparison, a normal martial art expert is able to completely fodderize the other martial art expert without the opponent even being capable of touching the seams of their clothes.

But leaving that aside for now, what can Markus do against light manip that chars the opponent, and analytic prediction that can see the opponents next move by simply seeing their gaze and the twitch of their muscles?

Does Markus have any one hit abilities?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Hehehe snort hahahahahaha!

First of all, Kruber has a layered conceptual resistance to light and heat Manipulation, so nah

Second of all, Witch Sight exists and it is way better then the analytical prediction you just described. Like leagues upon leagues better.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

How skilled are those peeps?

Pretty much everyone in LOTNB train martial arts when they are 6 to 7 years old, and Dam managed to defeat a 100 martial artists one by one, many of them being masters.

To put it in comparison, a normal martial art expert is able to completely fodderize the other martial art expert without the opponent even being capable of touching the seams of their clothes.

But leaving that aside for now, what can Markus do against light manip that chars the opponent, and analytic prediction that can see the opponents next move by simply seeing their gaze and the twitch of their muscles?

Does Markus have any one hit abilities?

Light Manip is no problem via resistances/projecting their own aura of light.

Swordmasters of Hoeth have centuries of experience in martial arts and start training around the same age. Defeating 100 opponents single by yourself is semi low tier in Fantasy, a Grail Knight for instance defeated Hundreds of Stormvermin which are genetically enhanced 7-8 feet tall cyborg rats with super powered weapons like warp flame throwers/machine guns/power claws that are individually physically superior to him with just his sword and shield.

People like Grimgor can literally defeat entire armies by himself containing things like large groups of tier 6 casters/thousands of other High 8-C's.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Ah, warhammer and their fuckery.

Sadly, I don't see Dam winning this then.

 

[Popted2]

before voting, does Markus have something to bypass Dam 8-B dura?

 

[Rikimarox2]

Also, how does the witch sight work?

Not that it matters since Warhammer is bonkers, and fire manip should eventually bypass Dams durability, but I just wanna know.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

8-B dura is hard for Markus to deal with. He shouldn't ignore durability unless he is fighting a spirit/magical being, even with his sword on fire/inflicting holy damage it should still be on a High 8-C level. Without having a special sword like a runefang he likely doesn't have a way to ignore Dam's durability. He can damage boost but it shouldn't put him into a higher tier. Im voting inconclusive for now but Markus has a hax advantage/skill advantage.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Also, how does the witch sight work?

Not that it matters since Warhammer is bonkers, and fire manip should eventually bypass Dams durability, but I just wanna know.

Witchsight is pretty broken, its basically seeing reality on a conceptual level, seeing peoples intentions/thoughts before they occur and how their supernatural abilities function. It's akin to reading someones intentions before they have them like reading a book.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Witchsight is pretty broken, its basically seeing reality on a conceptual level, seeing peoples intentions/thoughts before they occur and how their supernatural abilities function. It's akin to reading someones intentions before they have them like reading a book.

How would Dam bypass this, exactly? Is it active all time?

 

[DaReaperMan]

How would Dam bypass this, exactly? Is it active all time?

When did I say Markus had it, again? I used it as just saying "yeah no, analytical prediction ain't workin"

 

[Blackcurrant91]

How would Dam bypass this, exactly? Is it active all time?

yes it's a passive ability. Essentially Dam cant hit Markus and Markus can't damage Dam

 

[Popted2]

well Incon FRA

 

[Rikimarox2]

Oh right, there's also the limited durability negation stuff that Dam has.

Basically, a simple shout from a dude far weaker than Dam can cause someone to see double, have their hairs standing on their back, and almost piss themselves.

Another one is the fact that your attacks can damage one's internal organs even if you aren't aiming towards them. That's what happened with Shim and Jin, where Shim attacked Jin, and his chi affected and damaged Jin internal organs.

Though, I doubt that'll make that much of a difference, Markus is skilled af as well, and has some good hax. Voting incon for now.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Oh right, there's also the limited durability negation stuff that Dam has.

Basically, a simple shout from a dude far weaker than Dam can cause someone to see double, have their hairs standing on their back, and almost piss themselves.

Another one is the fact that your attacks can damage one's internal organs even if you aren't aiming towards them. That's what happened with Shim and Jin, where Shim attacked Jin, and his chi affected and damaged Jin internal organs.

Though, I doubt that'll make that much of a difference, Markus is skilled af as well, and has some good hax. Voting incon for now.

Yeah fear manip is useless against a Grail Knight.

Dam isn't gonna be able to hit Markus for the second one to matter either.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Yeah fear manip is useless against a Grail Knight.

Dam isn't gonna be able to hit Markus for the second one to matter either.

It ain't fear manip, though. It's vibration manip. The feat happened where the dude who almost pissed himself wasn't really that afraid to begin with, and the stuff in the room vibrated when the dude shouted. It was also stated that it happened with chi, and that if the dude who shouted just had a bit stronger chi, it would've caused internal damage.

Dam obviously has more chi, but that'd be going into headcanon territory, as we haven't seen them damage the internal organs, so I'd be iffy to say Dam can damage Markus internal organs with a shout.

Also ye, Dam likely ain't touching Markus, which is why I'm voting Incon.

 

[SomaKing13]

Also ye, Dam likely ain't touching Markus, which is why I'm voting Incon.

Markus honestly should be able to take this actually, the difference in durability is only 2.5x difference, so while his normal attacks dont do a lot, they still do chip damage, and his blessed blade can amp his damage pretty severely where he straight up oneshots everything except for the toughest enemies in the game and even then they barely survive. He also has strength potions, concentration potions and speed potions all of which double their respective stats, so it's very likely he'll be able to kill Dam after a while

 

[Rikimarox2]

What's Markus ap?

 

[Rikimarox2]

Nvm I saw it, it's 7.8 tons. BTW, shouldn't he be high 8C+ then?

Also, ye, he will eventually kill dam this way, unless we take in to account the scaling stuff, at which case the durability will probably be higher.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

changing vote to Kruber FRA

 

[Sergeant_Hypocrite]

Kruber FRA

 

[Popted2]

Kruber FRA

 

[Peppersalt43]

Kruber FRA

 

[Peppersalt43]

Why aren't the votes counted? I'm pretty sure we need 2 more to grace

 

[Peppersalt43]

Bump

 

[CheatHydra]

Markus FRA

 

[Peppersalt43]

Welp, 1 more vote

 

[Peppersalt43]

Come on...

 

[Peppersalt43]

1 more...

 

[Baken384]

Markus fra