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[Jagiastaga]

High Universe Level for all Fluctlight.
Fluctlight Imagination entering the Soul Translation Machine will create the Underworld ( This world, was by no means a program executed by a physical server, but also a Real Dream constructed with the same photons that made up human Fluct Light. And, because of this, the pure and powerful killing intent of the black-armored knight, from his Light Cube to the Main Visualizer, and through the photon link circuit, was able to reach the STL that Gabriel was using. ) which is stated to be an endless(Expanded) universe.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Following

 

[DMUA]

Hyperbole.

Even if using advanced means, it is still a simulation running on computers, it'd be impossible for that to handle genuine infinity.

We also know for a fact the underworld is not only finite in size, but at it's largest only contained two planets within it because the cardinal system's only ever needed to generate that much in full detail.

 

[Robo432343]

let bro cook

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Hmm, sounds interesting.

 

[Jagiastaga]

let bro cook

Hahaha(i’m the One that get cooked)

 

[Deleted member 15008]

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Don’t worry DMUA… I’ll handle this as repentance for my past actions.

Okay so, to start off it’s important to establish that, yes the Fluctlights do in fact sustain and “create” Underworld. The entire point of the simulation is that the Fluctlights stored in the Lightcubed send their Mnemonic Visual Data to the Main Visualizer in order to visualize the world.
Pretty much they just used the shared memories of every soul to sustain things, this allows things like Incarnation to exist.

Now, this thread would make sense if this wasn’t not only Hyperbole but also just wasn’t a real scalable feat. First of all the world of Underworld can’t be infinite, we already know it’s made with the Seed originally, and the Seed only generates the interactable world as needed, for example space didn’t “exist” until Kirito explored beyond The End Wall and upper atmosphere because it had no reason to generate more than just Underworld.

Also it’s important to note that Underworld can only have a max of 200k fluctlights in it at a time, the moment that maximum capacity is reached someone dies off keeping it at 200k.

Now all of this is fine and dandy, High 3-A may be bunk but maybe we can count them creating the solar system right?… until you realize this scales to absolute no one except maybe SKK when UR ends. Sure, the fluctlights sustain the world but they aren’t actively creating it or controlling/destroying it to a point where they can have it on their page. They can alter its image and change it with their willpower via Incarnation which is just Subjective Reality/Reality Warping but beyond that it doesn’t scale to anyone.

Also about Shasta reaching Gabriel’s fluctlight, that’s not really a feat, anyone could do that he just did it because his Incarnation (I believe) was focused on targeting one’s soul.
And on the topic of Gabriel, even if you say he can destroy and absorb Incarnation that doesn’t mean the world or the “ability to sustain the world.”

 

[Deleted member 15008]

So you can count me as disagree

 

[Jagiastaga]

Hyperbole.

Even if using advanced means, it is still a simulation running on computers, it'd be impossible for that to handle genuine infinity.

We also know for a fact the underworld is not only finite in size, but at it's largest only contained two planets within it because the cardinal system's only ever needed to generate that much in full detail.

Regarding Hyperbole, that is a dead author statement. Because it doesn't correlate with fiction, because in SAO there is a Milky Way galaxy and it is said to have a World End Wall which is said to have infinite size.

"I exhaled and surveyed the unthinkable scene before my eyes again. Stars of breathtaking density stretched in a band from top right to the bottom left of my vision. I suppose you could call it the Milky Way, but no matter how I lined up the potently glowing stars, I could not recognize a single familiar constellation from the real world. This was Underworld, all right.

𝙝, 𝙨𝙤𝙧𝙧𝙮 𝙍𝙤𝙣𝙮𝙚, 𝙗𝙚𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙨𝙪𝙘𝙝 𝙖 𝙣𝙤𝙣𝙨𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙚...𝙪𝙝 𝙬𝙚𝙡𝙡...𝙗𝙖𝙨𝙞𝙘𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙮, 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙣𝙤 '𝙀𝙣𝙙' 𝙞𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙡𝙙."

"𝙉𝙤 𝙚𝙣𝙙?"

𝙄𝙩 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙖 𝙘𝙤𝙣𝙘𝙚𝙥𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙚𝙞𝙜𝙣 𝙩𝙤 𝙍𝙤𝙣𝙮𝙚.

𝙁𝙤𝙧 𝙍𝙤𝙣𝙮𝙚 𝙬𝙝𝙤 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙗𝙤𝙧𝙣 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙜𝙧𝙚𝙬 𝙪𝙥 𝙞𝙣 𝙉𝙤𝙧𝙩𝙝 𝘾𝙚𝙣𝙩𝙤𝙧𝙞𝙖, 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙜𝙞𝙜𝙖𝙣𝙩𝙞𝙘 𝙬𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙙𝙞𝙫𝙞𝙙𝙚𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙘𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙞𝙣𝙩𝙤 4 𝙨𝙚𝙘𝙩𝙤𝙧𝙨 – 𝙖 𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙣𝙙𝙡𝙚𝙨𝙨 𝙬𝙖𝙡𝙡 – 𝙚𝙭𝙞𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙛𝙧𝙤𝙢 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙗𝙚𝙜𝙞𝙣𝙣𝙞𝙣𝙜. 𝙃𝙚 𝙡𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙣𝙚𝙙 𝙢𝙖𝙣𝙮 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙣𝙜𝙨 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙉𝙤𝙧𝙡𝙖𝙣𝙜𝙖𝙧𝙩𝙝 𝙚𝙢𝙥𝙞𝙧𝙚 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙃𝙪𝙢𝙖𝙣 𝙒𝙤𝙧𝙡𝙙 𝙨𝙞𝙢𝙪𝙡𝙩𝙖𝙣𝙚𝙤𝙪𝙨𝙡𝙮 𝙧𝙪𝙡𝙚𝙙 𝙗𝙮 3 𝙚𝙢𝙥𝙚𝙧𝙤𝙧𝙨. 𝙃𝙚 𝙝𝙖𝙙 𝙤𝙣𝙘𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙤𝙪𝙜𝙝𝙩 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙚𝙣𝙙𝙡𝙚𝙨𝙨 𝙢𝙤𝙪𝙣𝙩𝙖𝙞𝙣𝙨 𝙨𝙪𝙧𝙧𝙤𝙪𝙣𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙃𝙪𝙢𝙖𝙣 𝙒𝙤𝙧𝙡𝙙 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙗𝙞𝙙𝙙𝙚𝙣 𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙧𝙞𝙩𝙤𝙧𝙞𝙚𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙝𝙖𝙙 𝙨𝙥𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙙 𝙬𝙞𝙙𝙚𝙡𝙮 𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧 𝙨𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙚 𝙝𝙚 𝙚𝙣𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙚𝙙 𝙨𝙘𝙝𝙤𝙤𝙡 𝙖𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙖𝙜𝙚 𝙤𝙛 8.

𝙀𝙫𝙚𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙤𝙪𝙜𝙝 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙩𝙚𝙖𝙘𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙙𝙞𝙙𝙣'𝙩 𝙩𝙚𝙖𝙘𝙝 𝙨𝙥𝙚𝙘𝙞𝙛𝙞𝙘𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙮 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝘿𝙖𝙧𝙠 𝙏𝙚𝙧𝙧𝙞𝙩𝙤𝙧𝙮 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙣𝙠𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙞𝙩, 𝙞𝙩 𝙛𝙚𝙡𝙩 𝙙𝙤𝙪𝙗𝙩𝙛𝙪𝙡 𝙩𝙤 𝙨𝙥𝙚𝙖𝙠 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙞𝙩 𝙖𝙣𝙙

𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩'𝙨 𝙬𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙞𝙩'𝙨 𝙘𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙚𝙙

𝙏𝙝𝙚 '𝙒𝙤𝙧𝙡𝙙'𝙨 𝙀𝙣𝙙 𝙒𝙖𝙡𝙡'—𝙝𝙚 𝙝𝙖𝙙 𝙤𝙣𝙡𝙮 𝙡𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙣𝙚𝙙 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙞𝙩 𝙛𝙧𝙤𝙢 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙢𝙚𝙧 𝙝𝙪𝙢𝙖𝙣 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙡𝙙 𝙙𝙚𝙛𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙚 𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙘𝙚 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙏𝙞𝙚𝙯𝙚 𝙪𝙥𝙤𝙣 𝙖𝙧𝙧𝙞𝙫𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙖𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙂𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙩 𝙂𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙚𝙖𝙨𝙩 𝙚𝙣𝙘𝙖𝙢𝙥𝙢𝙚𝙣𝙩. 𝙄𝙣 𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙨, 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 '𝙒𝙖𝙡𝙡' 𝙝𝙖𝙙 𝙖𝙡𝙬𝙖𝙮𝙨 𝙚𝙭𝙞𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙞𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙡𝙙. 𝙀𝙫𝙚𝙣 𝙞𝙛 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙥𝙖𝙨𝙨, 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧𝙚 𝙬𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙙𝙚𝙛𝙞𝙣𝙞𝙩𝙚𝙡𝙮 𝙗𝙚 𝙖𝙣𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙬𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙖𝙥𝙥𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙨. 𝙃𝙚 𝙗𝙚𝙡𝙞𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙙𝙖𝙮 𝙨𝙤𝙢𝙚𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙬𝙤𝙪𝙡𝙙 𝙗𝙚 𝙖𝙗𝙡𝙚 𝙩𝙤 𝙥𝙖𝙨𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙧𝙤𝙪𝙜𝙝 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙒𝙤𝙧𝙡𝙙'𝙨 𝙀𝙣𝙙 𝙒𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙥𝙚𝙧𝙛𝙚𝙘𝙩𝙡𝙮.

"...𝙬𝙚𝙡𝙡, 𝙡𝙞𝙠𝙚...𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙢𝙚𝙖𝙣, 𝙤𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙨𝙞𝙙𝙚 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙒𝙤𝙧𝙡𝙙 𝙀𝙣𝙙 𝙒𝙖𝙡𝙡, 𝙞𝙨 𝙞𝙩 𝙡𝙞𝙠𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙃𝙪𝙢𝙖𝙣 𝙒𝙤𝙧𝙡𝙙 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝘿𝙖𝙧𝙠 𝙏𝙚𝙧𝙧𝙞𝙩𝙤𝙧𝙮 𝙖𝙜𝙖𝙞𝙣? 𝙂𝙧𝙖𝙨𝙨𝙡𝙖𝙣𝙙𝙨, 𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙚𝙨𝙩𝙨, 𝙛𝙞𝙚𝙡𝙙𝙨 𝙖𝙨 𝙛𝙖𝙧 𝙖𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙚𝙮𝙚 𝙘𝙖𝙣 𝙨𝙚𝙚?"

 

[Deleted member 15008]

Regarding Hyperbole, that is a dead author statement. Because it doesn't correlate with fiction, because in SAO there is a Milky Way galaxy and it is said to have a World End Wall which is said to have infinite size.

Here’s the thing, even if it doesn’t correlate with fiction this is just how SAO works. There has never been actual infinite worlds or data. It has been expressed in the series before that the Cardinal System only makes what’s needed. There only being a maximum capacity of 200k fluctlights is also more proof the system cannot handle infinite data.

Also on the quote

𝙏𝙝𝙚 '𝙒𝙤𝙧𝙡𝙙'𝙨 𝙀𝙣𝙙 𝙒𝙖𝙡𝙡'—𝙝𝙚 𝙝𝙖𝙙 𝙤𝙣𝙡𝙮 𝙡𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙣𝙚𝙙 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙞𝙩 𝙛𝙧𝙤𝙢 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙢𝙚𝙧 𝙝𝙪𝙢𝙖𝙣 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙡𝙙 𝙙𝙚𝙛𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙚 𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙘𝙚 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙏𝙞𝙚𝙯𝙚 𝙪𝙥𝙤𝙣 𝙖𝙧𝙧𝙞𝙫𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙖𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙂𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙩 𝙂𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙚𝙖𝙨𝙩 𝙚𝙣𝙘𝙖𝙢𝙥𝙢𝙚𝙣𝙩. 𝙄𝙣 𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙨, 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 '𝙒𝙖𝙡𝙡' 𝙝𝙖𝙙 𝙖𝙡𝙬𝙖𝙮𝙨 𝙚𝙭𝙞𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙞𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙡𝙙. 𝙀𝙫𝙚𝙣 𝙞𝙛 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙥𝙖𝙨𝙨, 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧𝙚 𝙬𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙙𝙚𝙛𝙞𝙣𝙞𝙩𝙚𝙡𝙮 𝙗𝙚 𝙖𝙣𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙬𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙖𝙥𝙥𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙨. 𝙃𝙚 𝙗𝙚𝙡𝙞𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙙𝙖𝙮 𝙨𝙤𝙢𝙚𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙬𝙤𝙪𝙡𝙙 𝙗𝙚 𝙖𝙗𝙡𝙚 𝙩𝙤 𝙥𝙖𝙨𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙧𝙤𝙪𝙜𝙝 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙒𝙤𝙧𝙡𝙙'𝙨 𝙀𝙣𝙙 𝙒𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙥𝙚𝙧𝙛𝙚𝙘𝙩𝙡𝙮.

“Even if you pass, there will definitely be another wall that appears.”
This is just more proof that underworld isn’t infinite. Another wall created by The Cardinal System will be created so that they can’t keep expanding the world.

The most we can take at face value is that Underworld is MAYBE the size of the Milky Way.

 

[DMUA]

let bro cook

Aku. Soku. Zan.

Regarding Hyperbole, that is a dead author statement.

No it's not.

"I exhaled and surveyed the unthinkable scene before my eyes again. Stars of breathtaking density stretched in a band from top right to the bottom left of my vision. I suppose you could call it the Milky Way, but no matter how I lined up the potently glowing stars, I could not recognize a single familiar constellation from the real world. This was Underworld, all right.

This is explicitly in reference to a skybox, which the cardinal system's used since the SAO days. Reki Kawahara's statements are very much so consistent with the material, and he will actually say "maybe" or "possibly" if he's not sure he wants to commit to a given answer.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

 

[Kaantantr]

Ah and here I thought I was too late and this was already settled by DMUA's first comment...

Regarding Hyperbole, that is a dead author statement.

It really isn't. Cardinal System only generates content as required. This is a series established fact that remains consistent throughout.

because in SAO there is a Milky Way galaxy

All games you play today have a nice Milky Way galaxy, or a fantasy version that of. It's called a skybox.

it is said to have a World End Wall which is said to have infinite size.

Are you referring to the big wall that is right behind the World's End Altar? It isn't infinite, it literally just encircles the Underworld map, and it is scaled with the invention of the Dragoncraft. It is as explicitly finite as it gets.

 

[Deleted member 15008]

Bumping cause despite this getting denied I still wanna hear if OP has a rebutta to the whole “Creating the world” stuff

 

[DMUA]

(you don't really need to bump these kinds of things, if they had an argument I imagine they would respond themselves like they did the first time)

 

[Deleted member 15008]

(you don't really need to bump these kinds of things, if they had an argument I imagine they would respond themselves like they did the first time)

True...........

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

If there are only 200000 of them, might it still be tier 5?
Sorry for the semi-necro.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

 

[DMUA]

If there are only 200000 of them

(There aren't)

 

[Deleted member 15008]

(There aren't)

There are, it’s stated that there can only be 200,000 fluctlights at a time

 

[DMUA]

Reflexively I assumed it was in reference to the star absorption feat, which is not as such

 

[Deleted member 15008]

Even then the original calc assumed 10,000 stars or something like that which was easily 4-B, 200,000 stars would have been A LOT hifher

 

[Deleted member 15008]

If there are only 200000 of them, might it still be tier 5?
Sorry for the semi-necro.

If you can bring proof that Kirito or other characters being connected to the main visualizer then sure IDK. But the issue still lies in the fact that this isn’t a scalabale feat.